Confused about character generation using ALT+numpad keys

I've read the Microsoft site's Glossary page:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964658.aspx

It describe three ways of entering character codes:

Alt+Numpad: A method of entering characters by typing in the character’s
decimal code with the Numeric Pad keys (Num Lock turned on). In Windows:

Alt+xxx, where xxx is the decimal value of a code point, generates an
OEM-encoded character.

Alt+0xxx, where xxx is the decimal value of a code point, generates a
Windows-encoded character.

Alt+++xxxx, where xxxx is the hexadecimal Unicode code point,
generates a Unicode-encoded (UTF-16) character.

What I can conclude is that on first method, the character code refers to
the raw character byte code, which is identical to the code stored in
memory/disk. The second method's character code refers to the ANSI
character-set code. And the third method's character code refers to the
Unicode character-set code. Both character codes of the second and third
methods may not be identical to the raw character data stored in
memory/disk.

However, it seems that the third method never work. I've tested this on
Notepad - trying to generate the "Æ’" which is U+0192 (decimal 402);
Western-ANSI=0x83 (decimal 159); OEM=0x9F (decimal 131). Method #1 (OEM)
works: ALT+159. Method #2 (ANSI) works: ALT+0131. But method #3 (Unicode)
doesn't work: ALT+++402. Did I use method #3 incorrectly?

JJ on Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:38:44 +0700 typed in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
I've read the Microsoft site's Glossary page:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964658.aspx

It describe three ways of entering character codes:

Alt+Numpad: A method of entering characters by typing in the character’s
decimal code with the Numeric Pad keys (Num Lock turned on). In Windows:

Alt+xxx, where xxx is the decimal value of a code point, generates an
OEM-encoded character.

Alt+0xxx, where xxx is the decimal value of a code point, generates a
Windows-encoded character.

Alt+++xxxx, where xxxx is the hexadecimal Unicode code point,
generates a Unicode-encoded (UTF-16) character.

What I can conclude is that on first method, the character code refers to
the raw character byte code, which is identical to the code stored in
memory/disk. The second method's character code refers to the ANSI
character-set code. And the third method's character code refers to the
Unicode character-set code. Both character codes of the second and third
methods may not be identical to the raw character data stored in
memory/disk.

However, it seems that the third method never work. I've tested this on
Notepad - trying to generate the "ƒ" which is U+0192 (decimal 402);
Western-ANSI=0x83 (decimal 159); OEM=0x9F (decimal 131). Method #1 (OEM)
works: ALT+159. Method #2 (ANSI) works: ALT+0131. But method #3 (Unicode)
doesn't work: ALT+++402. Did I use method #3 incorrectly?

Æ
ƒ

Hmmm - it may be that your software doesn't do allow it.

Ive a list of "alt+" special characters which do not work in
WordPerfect.
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pyotr filipivich
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:24:17 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Hmmm - it may be that your software doesn't do allow it.

I've already tested it on Notepad. FYI, Notepad's multi-line edit control is
the least custom keyboard shortcuts polluted than Wordpad. The edit controls
on Notepad's Find/Replace dialogs are the clean ones since pressing F5 won't
generate the current date & time, and even in those edit controls method #3
doesn't work.

Ive a list of "alt+" special characters which do not work in
WordPerfect.

I do notice that although I'm not sure we're referring to the same
collection of characters.

JJ on Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:40:21 +0700 typed in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 09:24:17 -0800, pyotr filipivich wrote:

Hmmm - it may be that your software doesn't do allow it.

I've already tested it on Notepad. FYI, Notepad's multi-line edit control is
the least custom keyboard shortcuts polluted than Wordpad. The edit controls
on Notepad's Find/Replace dialogs are the clean ones since pressing F5 won't
generate the current date & time, and even in those edit controls method #3
doesn't work.

Ive a list of "alt+" special characters which do not work in
WordPerfect.

I do notice that although I'm not sure we're referring to the same
collection of characters.

Who knows? I suspect it is a software issue, and I wasn't
inclined to go dig it out and look. (WP has its own means to insert
Special Characters, which can be a blast in its own right.)

To use an old expression "I don't have a wombat in this zoo" so it
doesn't matter, to me.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

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JJ on Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:38:44 +0700 typed in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following:
I've read the Microsoft site's Glossary page:

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964658.aspx

It describe three ways of entering character codes:

[quote]
Alt+Numpad: A method of entering characters by typing in the character’s
decimal code with the Numeric Pad keys (Num Lock turned on). In Windows:
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Prompted into it by having a netbook whose keyboard doesn't _have_ a
numeric keypad (like most such, you can get one using the 7890uiopjkl;m/
- or similar - keys, but using the Alt+ method of entering characters
that way is one way to madness), I've looked for alternatives. The best
one I've found so far is allchars - http://allchars.zwolnet.com/; unlike
many other prog.s, it doesn't involve _simultaneous_ keypresses, which
means it's _unlikely_ to interfere with the shortcuts used by other
software. You tap _and release_ the Ctrl key, followed by a couple of
keys relating to the character you want. Although I prided myself (sad)
on knowing the Alt+numeric codes for various characters I use a lot
(such as ±, ×, μ, degrees, ...), I've actually found the AllChars
sequences easier to remember for more characters, so tend to use them
more (they're actually fewer keypresses anyway): they've designed them
well, IMO - for example:
ctrl then + then - generates ±
ctrl then x then x generates ×
ctrl then ' then e generates é
ctrl then " then o generates ö
and many others. (If those don't display OK as you're reading this post,
I think you can guess what they generate.)
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