Microsoft dirty tricks department again

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:58:32 -0700, mike wrote:

Windows is a tool.
Desktop Linux is a hobby. Nothing wrong with that if you like
futzing with it.
If you just want to do the task and get on with your real life,
it's a problem.

+1

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On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:34:14 -0500, Johnny wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:58:32 -0700
mike wrote:

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for
free, and have complete control of their computer and operating
system.

That would be the plan.
Linux has many advantages.
Free is a good price.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

What? They're afraid of learning how to write device
drivers for their unsupported hardware?

I have never replied to this idiot before, and I'm not replying to him
now. I just want to tell anyone that is thinking of trying Linux, that
the statement he made, is a lie.

Drivers are supplied by the repositories. You just have to download
them, and they install automatically.

I don't know why I am replying to this idiot.

Most people use an operating system to run apps, and if an operating
system doesn't run the apps they use, then it is a toyn to playb with
and not a tool.

Windows is not perfect, but it does the job. This ng is for discussing
how to deal with its imperfections, and subtituting a toy for a tool,
as you advocate, does not do that.


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On 12/08/2015 05:01, Steve Hayes wrote:
I was staying at a B&B in another town and decided to check I my email
before leaving, and suddenly SP3 started downloading, taking about 3
hours on a slow connection.

Could it be because of your ignorance how to configure Windows XP to not
download updates automatically? I say XP because SP3 is for XP only
unless you are talking about Office product. In any case all Windows
AND Office products I have used since XP can be configured /*NOT TO
DOWNLOAD*/ anything automatically. People here keeps telling us they
know it all but from their postings, it is clear to me that they are all
nutters talking absolute ********.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

I had to buy a "data pack" from my ISP to get the Windows10 and it's
downloading now (albeit slowly).
But there's one good thing about being shafted; it sure feels good
when it stops!
So think positively.

Paul wrote on 08/11/2015 6:32 PM:
. . .winston wrote:

At this stage, the technical drivel

It's theft of telecommunications services.

Paul

Perception of theft, but nothing more.

Use of the product negates any ability to make it anything more than
perception.



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...winston
msft mvp windows experience

Wildman wrote on 08/11/2015 10:53 PM:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:32:26 -0400, Paul wrote:

. . .winston wrote:

At this stage, the technical drivel

It's theft of telecommunications services.

Paul

Windows users have already lost ownership of the computer
and now we have lost ownership of our internet connection.
double middle finger salute


That would be, until the user disables it, also saluting oneself in the
mirror...since use of the product is also acceptance.
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...winston
msft mvp windows experience

On 8/11/2015 4:34 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:58:32 -0700
mike wrote:

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for
free, and have complete control of their computer and operating
system.

That would be the plan.
Linux has many advantages.
Free is a good price.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

What? They're afraid of learning how to write device
drivers for their unsupported hardware?

I have never replied to this idiot before, and I'm not replying to him
now. I just want to tell anyone that is thinking of trying Linux, that
the statement he made, is a lie.

Drivers are supplied by the repositories. You just have to download
them, and they install automatically.

I've got 4 TV tuners that would disagree.
I haven't tried to install the National IEEE-488 drivers
because they claim to support RedHat only.
Random USB webcams are a crapshoot. Maybe, but often not.
I'd expect you'd want ALL of the features of your hardware
device supported? Printer features???
Don't get me started on Nvidia drivers causing the screen
to be blank, so you can't do anything.

If you go to BestBuy and tell them you want
to buy some linux compatible hardware you'll get a good laugh.

And it all varies depending on which version of which distro
with which other stuff you have installed.

If you wanna become a guru and if you just decide to do without
stuff you can't make work, you're good to go.

En el artículo , Wildman
escribió:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

Sarcasm doesn't work on usenet, but you're wasting your time replying to
"Good" Guy. For him, Usenet is write-only.

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(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

En el artículo 20150811173512.04fb6df8@jmspc, Johnny escribió:

I wonder if he uses Windows 10?

I have a mental image of him sitting in front of a Win10 PC with his head in his hands,
especially after this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08...pcs_kb3081424/

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(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

En el artículo , mike
escribió:

Windows is a tool.
Desktop Linux is a hobby.

You're an idiot.

They're both tools, and you use the tool that is appropriate for the
job. I use Windows at home because it runs the stuff I want to use at
home and Linux at work, because I administrate several servers and Linux
is by far the best tool for that task. I also use it on my work desktop
PC.

Linux is also a better choice for servers, because it can apply updates
without a mandatory reboot, and because it can stay up for years at a
time.

This is one of the servers I admin:

http://i61.tinypic.com/v441vm.jpg

Try doing that with Windows.

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(='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke!
(")_(")

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:
Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

Thank goodness someone realize it.

| Windows is a tool.
| Desktop Linux is a hobby.
|
| You're an idiot.

| Linux is also a better choice for servers

In fairness, he did say Desktop Linux. I don't
think anyone would dispute that Linux is a respected
tool and a good (free) choice for servers. But
for the vast majority of people, it's not much
more than a potential hobby as a Desktop. (And
that's exactly what it is for many Linux fans.)
You may use it for work, but you say yourself that
you use Windows at home because it runs the software
you want, and Linux presumably doesn't. If Linux is ever
to be a good Desktop it will require that backers accept
that most people just want it to work. They want MS
Office. They want Photoshop. They want printers and
media devices. All without needing to take a class in
computers. Very few people would want a car if they
have to change the oil and do repairs themselves.
They just want the car to transport them. The same
is true of computers.

One notable example: College students. Most of
them are forced/coerced to use the latest version
of MS Office. That's millions of kids per year being herded
into Microsoft's compatibility-defying, monopoly
maintenance machine. They learn to write docs and
make Powerpoint files. (I wouldn't be surprised if colleges
get kickbacks for that. It's hard to believe they could all
actually not understand the situation and waste their
students' money that way.)

From then on the students are considered
computer-literate. But most probably don't really
understand that they're using MS Office. Few know
what version of Office they have. They know that
when it's time to write a paper they can click the
appropriate icon, write the paper, then send it to
other students or to teachers. They don't even
understand that they're using proprietary software.

My ladyfriend is semi-retired and supervises students
in early childhood education who are in their final year,
doing their classroom placements. She has MS Office
2000 and tries to get students to send their work as
DOC rather than DOCX. (Supervision doesn't pay very
well. It's a labor of love that doesn't justify buying new,
overpriced computers and software that one doesn't need.
Libre Office works up to a point, but not with complex
docs.) Most of the students have no idea what she's
talking about. *Most can't even comprehend the notion
that the paper they wrote on their machine won't open
on her machine.* "What do you mean? The email didn't
come through? There's no attachment?"
These are people who will be teaching the country's
children next year.

Mention Linux to those students
and they'll look at you like you just referred to cylinder
bore in a car engine or the claimed merits of
dl-alpha tocopherol in diet, as opposed to the synthetic
d-alpha tocopherol. *Unless it happens to be related
to a hobby of theirs' they'll have no idea what you're
on about.* To say they should, as most Linux zealots
will do, is like being smug because most other people
are not experts in your chosen area of expertise.
That's exactly why people make fun of geeks: Geeks
are unique in condescending to anyone who doesn't
share their specific interests. I see it time and again in
these groups -- an attitude that doctors, lawyers and
rocket scientists are worthy of derision because they're
too stupid to understand anything of the inner workings
of computers. Dumbass "users". It's also expressed in
the kiddie icons and UIs: "They don't understand how to
use the Find applet. Let's add a cute cartoon of a dog
wagging its tail. That should help these dimwits."

What's needed is usability. We have more than enough
of arrogance and people calling each other idiots.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 05:33:22 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 12/08/2015 05:01, Steve Hayes wrote:
I was staying at a B&B in another town and decided to check I my email
before leaving, and suddenly SP3 started downloading, taking about 3
hours on a slow connection.

Could it be because of your ignorance how to configure Windows XP to not
download updates automatically?

Quite possibly, but since MS no longer provides documentation for
Windows, ignorance is the default state for its users, and it is
probably the same thing happening with Windows 10.


In any case all Windows
AND Office products I have used since XP can be configured /*NOT TO
DOWNLOAD*/ anything automatically.

As they used to say in the old days, RTFM. Except that for Windows
products there IS NO FM.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 11/08/2015 8:24 pm, VanguardLH wrote:


FollowUp-To ignored. If the topic was important enough to cross-post
then don't be rude in yanking it away from the communities that YOU
decided to include in your discussion. If you don't want to continue
YOUR discussion somewhere else then don't post somewhere else.


Just the opposite of being rude - it's considered good netiquette to
post a follow up to avoid the duplication of effort for those who read
both groups, and the confusion that may ensue from trying to follow two
versions of the same thread. I don't like cross posting at all, but on
this occasion thought that a timely reminder might be appreciated by
those who already have Windows 10 and perhaps don't read this group - to
give them the chance to turn it off as I did.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Melba Toast - the greatest thin singed sliced bread.

On 2015-08-12, Steve Hayes wrote:
Windows is not perfect, but it does the job. This ng is for discussing
how to deal with its imperfections, and subtituting a toy for a tool,
as you advocate, does not do that.

The Fortune 500 companies that have integrated Linux into their
infrastructures might take issue with your characterization of that OS as
a "toy." Believe it or not, the entire computing world does not revolve
around Microsoft Office.

I've found Linux to be the appropriate tool for getting my own work
done, and have been using it for over 15 years. I don't try to push it on
anyone else, but feel compelled to comment when nonsensical remarks that
Linux is a "hobby" or a "toy" are made. (Linux users might well regard
Windows as a "toy" because it doesn't run the Unix/Linux applications
that they need. It would be an equally asinine position to take.)

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