Can't do scratch install of XP Home on HP Pavilion with key code on sticker

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message
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Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true
Windows
install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it.
Other
companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say
"Reinstallation."

I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition.
If it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new
computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,
installation rather than reinstallation.

You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben
described.

The ones I've seen look like this one:

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/1...04/cd4dell.jpg

"Daave" wrote in message
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Getting a broken host (for yourself) usually means you get is as-is
and that usually means the original owner kept the software license
for their own use on their new host that replaced their broken one
that they palmed off to you.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Unless this HP laptop had
a volume license associated with it, the original owner can't keep
the original XP Home license because it is tied to the laptop. Sure
if the original owner had loaded XP Pro on it using a Retail or
Upgrade disc, he or she would have the option of retaining *that*
license.


Hmm, you're probably right on that. It would be an OEM license from
HP. That means the owner has to surrender all installation media and
the license in the sale. However, it appears there was no sale and
that the OP is probably repairing the laptop for the original owner.
Since the owner didn't create the recovery CDs, the OP will have to
tell the owner that the owner needs to order the recovery CDs. The HP
products key the OP is trying to use won't work with the OEM and
retail CDs that he is using to reinstall Windows. From the bouncing
around from the product key sticker and the OP using retail CDs, I'm
not sure what version was originally installed on the laptop. Don't
OEM versions have "OEM" in the product key?

Some installs are BIOS-locked but I don't know if the product key
reflects that fact.

Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM cd.
You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an image
to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

"Daave" wrote in message
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message
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Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true
Windows
install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other
companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say
"Reinstallation."

I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition. If
it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new
computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,
installation rather than reinstallation.

You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben
described.

The ones I've seen look like this one:

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/1...04/cd4dell.jpg

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message
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Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true
Windows install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore"
on it. Other companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs
based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say
"Reinstallation."

I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory
condition. If it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for
installation on a new computer or a computer without an operating
system." In other words, installation rather than reinstallation.

You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben
described.

The ones I've seen look like this one:

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/1...04/cd4dell.jpg

Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM
cd.

Yes, this is what Ben and I have been talking about.

You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an
image to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

If you were to view the files, you would see it is a slightly modified
Microsoft XP installation disk.

Yeah, you're right. My bad... Ben

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:46:36 -0500, "Daave"
wrote:

"Ben Myers" wrote in message
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Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true
Windows
install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other
companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say
"Reinstallation."

You can trust me on this one. I have refurbished and reloaded Windows onto
countless Dell boxes I have resold in the secondary market.

Whether XP Home or XP Pro, the Dell reinstallation CD reinstalls Windows from
scratch, little different from an OEM Windows install CD. It goes through all
the steps that one would see if mindlessly watching any other Windows install
running from scratch. When installed on a system with a Dell motherboard BIOS,
it does not request a product key and it does not require activation, so
obviously there are some smallish differences with a big effect somewhere in all
the binary bits. It also leaves the installer scouring about for drivers for
any devices which came to life after the original XP classic betaware was
released. For all practical purposes, this includes drivers for most any
Pentium 4 motherboards. Dell also packages (maybe past tense by now) another
CD with the drivers for whatever motherboard is in the system. One exception,
the Dell SP2 reinstallation CD, just like the OEM and (I think) retail versions,
has slipstreamed SATA drivers, doubtless as a consequence of major serious
pressure on Micro$oft from both the hard drive manufacturers and the name brand
companies like HPaq and Dell... Ben Myers

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:33:49 -0700, "Colin Barnhorst"
wrote:

Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM cd.
You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an image
to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

"Daave" wrote in message
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...

Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true
Windows
install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore" on it. Other
companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say
"Reinstallation."

I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition. If
it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new
computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,
installation rather than reinstallation.

You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben
described.

The ones I've seen look like this one:

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/1...04/cd4dell.jpg

Back in Win9x/ME days they did, but that convention was dropped years ago.

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
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Getting a broken host (for yourself) usually means you get is as-is and
that usually means the original owner kept the software license for
their own use on their new host that replaced their broken one that they
palmed off to you.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Unless this HP laptop had a
volume license associated with it, the original owner can't keep the
original XP Home license because it is tied to the laptop. Sure if the
original owner had loaded XP Pro on it using a Retail or Upgrade disc, he
or she would have the option of retaining *that* license.


Hmm, you're probably right on that. It would be an OEM license from HP.
That means the owner has to surrender all installation media and the
license in the sale. However, it appears there was no sale and that the
OP is probably repairing the laptop for the original owner. Since the
owner didn't create the recovery CDs, the OP will have to tell the owner
that the owner needs to order the recovery CDs. The HP products key the
OP is trying to use won't work with the OEM and retail CDs that he is
using to reinstall Windows. From the bouncing around from the product key
sticker and the OP using retail CDs, I'm not sure what version was
originally installed on the laptop. Don't OEM versions have "OEM" in the
product key?

Some installs are BIOS-locked but I don't know if the product key reflects
that fact.

Then at least you can do a repair install and use the system file checker
with it in addition to reinstalling the system. You can also make a
slipstreamed cd for keeping up to date with the current service pack. Does
it include any Dell proprietary drivers or are those on a separate Drivers
and Utilities cd?

"Daave" wrote in message
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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"Daave" wrote in message
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"Ben Myers" wrote in message
...

Dell is one company that shipped (and still ships on request) true
Windows install CDs, albeit with a Dell logo that says "restore"
on it. Other companies, notably GateMachines, ship restore CDs
based on Ghost...

The Dell XP install CDs I have seen don't say "restore." They say
"Reinstallation."

I would take "reinstallation" to mean restoration to factory condition.
If it were a standard OEM XP cd it would say "for installation on a new
computer or a computer without an operating system." In other words,
installation rather than reinstallation.

You would think that, but they really were installation CDs, as Ben
described.

The ones I've seen look like this one:

http://i2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/1...04/cd4dell.jpg

Clearly that is a Dell cd rather than a Microsoft XP (hologrammed) OEM
cd.

Yes, this is what Ben and I have been talking about.

You would have to view the files on it to know whether it transfers an
image to the hard drive or is basically just a modified MS cd.

If you were to view the files, you would see it is a slightly modified
Microsoft XP installation disk.

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote in message
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Then at least you can do a repair install and use the system file
checker with it in addition to reinstalling the system. You can also
make a slipstreamed cd for keeping up to date with the current service
pack. Does it include any Dell proprietary drivers or are those on a
separate Drivers and Utilities cd?

In my case, there is a separate Drivers and Utilities CD.

Just for your info, I arrived at this site because I also have received a zd8000 for to be reinstalled (viruses/spyware etc.) from a friend, and thought I'd google before trying the install. (It made me a bit worried!)

He also had no backup/restore/install disks.

I've just done a brand new install using the OEM CD belonging to my PC (but using his XP product code). Worked perfectly, and activated without problem.

Maybe your problem lies elsewhere? Good luck anyway!