Microsoft dirty tricks department again

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Inside every old man is a young man wondering what the hell happened.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
Bob Henson wrote:

From: Bob Henson
Subject: Microsoft dirty tricks department again
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
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This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to
the fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in
(rather like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent
streaming with the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to
use your internet connection to distribute their updates at your
expense - another reason for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how
to stop it if you've already downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

I knew about it, and turned it off, and I don't use Windows 10 for
anything but testing. I just don't want Microsoft using my computer.

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for free,
and have complete control of their computer and operating system.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

I have been using Linux Mint going on two years, and I am completely
satisfied with it.

On 11/08/2015 18:40, Bob Henson wrote:
Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.



so do you seriously believe that going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a
downgrade?



I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink?


To me anybody thinking going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a downgrade
is the lowest of the low one can sink. I know you won't agree with this
but it is a fact and people don't like facts here.

On 11/08/2015 7:41 pm, Johnny wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
Bob Henson wrote:

From: Bob Henson
Subject: Microsoft dirty tricks department again
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0)
Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Followup-To: alt.windows7.general
Organization: Home

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to
the fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in
(rather like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent
streaming with the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to
use your internet connection to distribute their updates at your
expense - another reason for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how
to stop it if you've already downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

I knew about it, and turned it off, and I don't use Windows 10 for
anything but testing. I just don't want Microsoft using my computer.

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for free,
and have complete control of their computer and operating system.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

I have been using Linux Mint going on two years, and I am completely
satisfied with it.



I too use Mint Debian Edition on my old laptop - but there is so much
software that I use that requires Windows that I can't use Debian all
the time. Windows 7 is fine, and I doubt I'll be around long enough to
have to change from it. On the other hand if equipment failure forced me
to change I'd be torn - Windows 10 can be knocked into usable shape, but
I strenuously object to Microsoft pulling stunts like their current
ones. However, I would have to give up a lot to go down the Linux route
full time.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Don't remarry - just find a women you hate and give her a house.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

I think it's a good idea, in theory, but they spoiled it when they enabled
it for Internet by default, didn't ask the owner to weigh in, and then
buried the settings so deep.

On 8/11/2015 2:53 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 11/08/2015 18:40, Bob Henson wrote:
Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.



so do you seriously believe that going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a
downgrade?



I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink?


To me anybody thinking going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a downgrade
is the lowest of the low one can sink. I know you won't agree with this
but it is a fact and people don't like facts here.


I won't be having anything to do with W10. I've had enough and agree
that Wi10 is indeed a "downgrade" but I won't get as nasty as some about
an opinion.

Bob Henson wrote:

trim
Microsoft sneaked in a sort of torrent streaming with the updates in
Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet connection to
distribute their updates at your expense.
/trim

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

For those that want to know to where the redirection hyperlink points
*BEFORE* they visit the unknown destination, because Google does *not*
offer a preview mode to show the redirected destination so the user
decide if it's somewhere they want to visit (as does TinyURL), because a
goo.gl redirect link's click usage may be tracked in the poster's
account plus "All goo.gl URLs and click analytics are public and can be
accessed by anyone", and because the Google redirection service can
sometimes be painfully slow, the omitted long URL for Bob's article
reference is:

http://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-...-the-internet/

Guess Microsoft envied the similar ploy by my ISP, Comcast, to utilize
their ignorant customers to provide peered networking. With Comcast
when you get a wifi router/modem from them, their hotspot "feature" is
enabled by default. This lets Comcast expands their hotspots unless the
customer is aware and disables the feature (which requires logging in
using their web UI since it is a server-side configured setting).
Comcast has put themself in the wardriver's seat. They just got smart
and dumped the car while getting their customers to unknowingly provide
wifi hotspots for Comcast.

I don't consider safe any peering network with unknown operators/owners
of the nodes. While [a chunk of] the file is on someone else's host,
they can modify it and then deliver something else. Instead of having
to hack into your host, they hack the files on their own host. The
option to configure this feature to peer only to local hosts may have
some value but only if it doesn't self-throttle its traffic as do web
sites that need to ensure all connections get some response.

I found this section of the article interesting:

You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered

You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.� When
you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a
connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or
a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t
upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically
download Windows updates.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

FollowUp-To ignored. If the topic was important enough to cross-post
then don't be rude in yanking it away from the communities that YOU
decided to include in your discussion. If you don't want to continue
YOUR discussion somewhere else then don't post somewhere else.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:53:46 +0100, Good Guy wrote:

On 11/08/2015 18:40, Bob Henson wrote:
Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.



so do you seriously believe that going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a
downgrade?



I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink?


To me anybody thinking going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a downgrade
is the lowest of the low one can sink. I know you won't agree with this
but it is a fact and people don't like facts here.


This might help you understand...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

--
Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453
The little toe is a precision geo-location instrument
that can easily find furniture under low-level light.

On 8/11/2015 3:01 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

I think it's a good idea, in theory, but they spoiled it when they enabled
it for Internet by default, didn't ask the owner to weigh in, and then
buried the settings so deep.


Send them a bill for usage ? G

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:11:15 -0400, Al Drake wrote:

On 8/11/2015 2:53 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 11/08/2015 18:40, Bob Henson wrote:
Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.



so do you seriously believe that going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a
downgrade?



I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink?


To me anybody thinking going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a downgrade
is the lowest of the low one can sink. I know you won't agree with this
but it is a fact and people don't like facts here.


I won't be having anything to do with W10. I've had enough and agree
that Wi10 is indeed a "downgrade" but I won't get as nasty as some about
an opinion.

I agree, no 10 here ever. And HTML Guy has no idea what
sarcasm means.

--
Wildman GNU/Linux user #557453
The cow died so I don't need your bull!

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:16 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

I don't consider safe any peering network with unknown operators/owners
of the nodes. While [a chunk of] the file is on someone else's host,
they can modify it and then deliver something else. Instead of having
to hack into your host, they hack the files on their own host.

With torrents, checksums usually solve that problem. I'm sure MS does
something similar.

On 8/11/15 12:53 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 11/08/2015 18:40, Bob Henson wrote:
Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.



so do you seriously believe that going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a
downgrade?

Depends on your personal beliefs. Perhaps the OS is an upgrade, perhaps
not. Only time will tell when the bugs and problems start to appear.

But, if you have morals and ethics, and many readers here will doubt
yours, if what MS is doing is true is a downgrade. They are doing what
can be done with Flash cookies, as well as what Napster apparently did
years ago.

No one should be proud of being a part of that.

I've got my reserved copy in the queue, and I'll use it for learning
purposes, but it will never ever be connected to my home network.



I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink?


To me anybody thinking going from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is a downgrade
is the lowest of the low one can sink. I know you won't agree with this
but it is a fact and people don't like facts here.




--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Char Jackson wrote on 08/11/2015 3:01 PM:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 18:40:53 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

I think it's a good idea, in theory, but they spoiled it when they enabled
it for Internet by default, didn't ask the owner to weigh in, and then
buried the settings so deep.


I'm in agreement that it is/was a good idea and would have been better
served as off by default. The good idea loses value if the user has to
dig to enable the option. First use of WU auto or manual could easily
have been an OOBE with a one time run dialog box presented to opt-in/opt
out.

In the big picture...I'm not sure the majority of users care.
At this stage, the technical drivel pushed out by the media, conspiracy
theorists, and resultant nttp discussion under the 'Oh look what we
found' in the negative perception category is still just outliers to the
normal distribution of the total.

Issue like these are not even close to being seen as fire that needs to
be blown out....From MSFT's perspective, and what I've observed and
learned any attempt to address outliers to the normal distribution falls
under tampering with the existing system (in this case, especially only
a few months after the entire MSFT Privacy Policy was re-issued). Until
those outlier's become significant it's quite easy to rationalize that
resources are better expended elsewhere.



--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:14:21 -0400
Wolf K wrote:

It just amazes me how hundreds of millions of people just accept
whatever Microsoft does, when they could be using Linux Mint for
free, and have complete control of their computer and operating
system.

I don't know if they are afraid of learning something new, or just
won't put forth the effort.

No, most people haven't a clue what Linux is, let alone Linux Mint.


I can't believe that hundreds of millions of Windows users haven't
heard of Linux.

I have known about it from at least Windows 2000, but never considered
trying it because I was happy using Microsoft Products.

I was satisfied with Windows until Windows 8 came out, and I decided
that was enough, and gave Linux Mint a try. I'll admit it wasn't easy,
but with the help of people in the Linux Mint newsgroup, I was able to
make the change.

For those of you that have never heard of Linux Mint, here is a link:
http://www.linuxmint.com/

The only problem you might have is with an nvidia driver, but that can
be overcome by changing the driver. If you have Intel, you won't have
any problems.

I would recommend KDE, it is the most configurable from the GUI.

I would also recommend installing it on a USB flash drive, and running
it from there, just because it's faster. You don't have to install it
on your hard drive, it runs from the USB flash drive, and you can use
all the programs including the browser.

On 11/08/2015 23:19, Johnny wrote:
I have known about it from at least Windows 2000, but never considered
trying it because I was happy using Microsoft Products. I was
satisfied with Windows


Is it because you had a job and you had some intelligence; Now you are
82 and suffering from dementia and forgot everything about Windows.
This happens with jobless nutters as well as observed in Ubuntu
newsgroups. They are completely brain-dead. No intelligence and nothing
to discuss with them.