Annoying printers

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 05:45:54 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jim H
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 23:56:05 +0100, in
, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:
...


As for the all the rest that you started out with... I've never heard
anything like it. You were either exaggerating or the printer you have
is a lemon. Plus a good healthy dose of not knowing how printer
settings work. Switching to a laser won't help even one little bit
with the latter... and might even make it worse.

this.

How eloquent of you.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 00:42:19 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2018-10-01 18:50, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:25:32 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2018-10-01 02:58, Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/30/2018 8:12 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
[...]
It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.

Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.

[More ranting deleted.]

I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).

Presumably if it was a monochrome photo, the printer would reproduce it
even if it did use colour ink.

Yes, but it will have a colour cast. Even when setting properties to
grey-scale there may be a colour cast, because the paper also affects
the final result. IME, the colour cast may take a day or two to appear.

All things considered, it's amazing we get the generally high quality

I told it to print in GREY. There is no need whatsoever to use any
colour at all.

Yes, there is. Unless you want the printer to lay down a half tone
image, made up of dots separated by larger or smaller white spaces to
simulate the greys.

For true grey-scale printing with an ink jet, you need at least two
inks, a black and a grey. Creating grey scale has been a problem in the
printing trade ever since half tones were invented. Look up duotone
printing.

Most inkjets don't have grey. Using colours won't help to create greys.

Inkjets is basically dots. Modern inkjets lay down extremely small dots,
which diffuse a bit (depends on the paper). The diffusion helps create a
more or less continuous tone, good enough that on smallish prints (up to
about full page size) we get "photo quality", that is, dots of the same
size range as the grain in film and photographic papers.

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:


No, I find they also clog in the middle of a large run.

bull****.

It isn't Mr Speed, as you have never seen my printer running.

i don't need to. you're full of ****, which was clear from your initial
post.

clogs are due to dried up ink clogging one or more nozzles. if the ink
is flowing, which is what happens *during* a print job, it isn't going
to dry up.

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

For true grey-scale printing with an ink jet, you need at least two
inks, a black and a grey. Creating grey scale has been a problem in the
printing trade ever since half tones were invented. Look up duotone
printing.

Most inkjets don't have grey. Using colours won't help to create greys.

actually, it does.

multiple greys are better, but mixing cmy is an alternative.

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

The articles seem to think that red pigment is pretty
good. If that's the case, why can't we have red cars
where the color stays good for the life of the car ?
The "red" used in paints isn't very good.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I've never seen a car where the
paint has faded, even when old enough so that the mechanical parts are beyond repair.

bull****. all paint fades, some more than others. ask any auto body
shop how they match paint after a repair.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:32:10 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

The articles seem to think that red pigment is pretty
good. If that's the case, why can't we have red cars
where the color stays good for the life of the car ?
The "red" used in paints isn't very good.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I've never seen a car where the
paint has faded, even when old enough so that the mechanical parts are beyond repair.

bull****. all paint fades, some more than others. ask any auto body
shop how they match paint after a repair.

Maybe you're just too damn fussy. My 16 year old car is red, it was red when it was made. I have no desire to park it alongside a brand new equivalent and compare the tone.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:27:53 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

For true grey-scale printing with an ink jet, you need at least two
inks, a black and a grey. Creating grey scale has been a problem in the
printing trade ever since half tones were invented. Look up duotone
printing.

Most inkjets don't have grey. Using colours won't help to create greys.

actually, it does.

multiple greys are better, but mixing cmy is an alternative.

Less black makes grey.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:27:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:


No, I find they also clog in the middle of a large run.

bull****.

It isn't Mr Speed, as you have never seen my printer running.

i don't need to. you're full of ****, which was clear from your initial
post.

clogs are due to dried up ink clogging one or more nozzles. if the ink
is flowing, which is what happens *during* a print job, it isn't going
to dry up.

And yet it does. Impurities in the ink? Another thing your little mind can't think of?

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 03:50:01 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:06:46 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:38:41 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

By the way, are laser toners light fast? I have
been downloading a few artworks & either printing
them out on my laser color printer (FujiXerox
CP405d) or printing the A3 version in the local
computer shop.
The quality of the FujiXerox is very good, though
the long-lasting cartridges cost about $440.
I have no idea. Hopefully, someone else will chime in.

I don't see the words "archival print quality" in
the article on toner. Black toner used to be made from
carbon particles, and that material should hold up well.
Something made from colored plastic or wax, not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner

Paul
Actually, the Wired article will give you
the names of some colored stuff.

https://www.wired.com/2015/03/whats-...printer-toner/

Carbon Black

Pigment Yellow 180 benzimidazolone

Pigment Red 122 2,9-dimethyl-quinacridone

Pigment Blue 15:3 Copper phthalocyanine

Then, if you toss the "end-word" of those into a Google
search, you can get more info. Those compounds are used
in inkjet inks. You would need to find a similar paper
on toner, to prove the compounds are actually in toner.

http://www.cabotcorp.com/~/media/fil...for-inkjet.pdf

The important takeaway from that PDF, is
that the lightfastness varies greatly. It means of
the toner colors in a print, one color might outlast
some of the others. The print will fade in one color,
and be "off". Rather than all the colors just "disappearing"
on some sunny day.

The articles seem to think that red pigment is pretty
good. If that's the case, why can't we have red cars
where the color stays good for the life of the car ?
The "red" used in paints isn't very good.

Paul

I'm going to print two pictures of one subject and
leave one in the sun & the others indoors.
I'll report back.

It would be interesting to know what they print
money with.
Beware of polymer notes because the print layer
can come off in the wash.

They're printed on a really bad inkjet.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...otes_faces.png

The hard part is scraping the word "Specimen" off each one.

Paul

No need in a late-night smoky nightclub.

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

No, I find they also clog in the middle of a large run.

bull****.

It isn't Mr Speed, as you have never seen my printer running.

i don't need to. you're full of ****, which was clear from your initial
post.

clogs are due to dried up ink clogging one or more nozzles. if the ink
is flowing, which is what happens *during* a print job, it isn't going
to dry up.

And yet it does. Impurities in the ink? Another thing your little mind can't think of?

only if you used the wrong inks.

in other words, user error.

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

The articles seem to think that red pigment is pretty
good. If that's the case, why can't we have red cars
where the color stays good for the life of the car ?
The "red" used in paints isn't very good.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I've never seen a car where
the
paint has faded, even when old enough so that the mechanical parts are
beyond repair.

bull****. all paint fades, some more than others. ask any auto body
shop how they match paint after a repair.

Maybe you're just too damn fussy. My 16 year old car is red, it was red when
it was made. I have no desire to park it alongside a brand new equivalent
and compare the tone.

of course you don't, because then you'd see how wrong you are.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:54:01 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

The articles seem to think that red pigment is pretty
good. If that's the case, why can't we have red cars
where the color stays good for the life of the car ?
The "red" used in paints isn't very good.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I've never seen a car where
the
paint has faded, even when old enough so that the mechanical parts are
beyond repair.

bull****. all paint fades, some more than others. ask any auto body
shop how they match paint after a repair.

Maybe you're just too damn fussy. My 16 year old car is red, it was red when
it was made. I have no desire to park it alongside a brand new equivalent
and compare the tone.

of course you don't, because then you'd see how wrong you are.

You're missing the point. The car is still red. Cars don't have parades where they compare skintones.

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:54:01 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

No, I find they also clog in the middle of a large run.

bull****.

It isn't Mr Speed, as you have never seen my printer running.

i don't need to. you're full of ****, which was clear from your initial
post.

clogs are due to dried up ink clogging one or more nozzles. if the ink
is flowing, which is what happens *during* a print job, it isn't going
to dry up.

And yet it does. Impurities in the ink? Another thing your little mind can't think of?

only if you used the wrong inks.

in other words, user error.

"Wrong" inks?

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 22:31:26 +0100, "Jimmy Wilkinson Knife"
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 20:32:10 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

The articles seem to think that red pigment is pretty
good. If that's the case, why can't we have red cars
where the color stays good for the life of the car ?
The "red" used in paints isn't very good.

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I've never seen a car where the
paint has faded, even when old enough so that the mechanical parts are beyond repair.

bull****. all paint fades, some more than others. ask any auto body
shop how they match paint after a repair.

Maybe you're just too damn fussy. My 16 year old car is red, it was red when it was made. I have no desire to park it alongside a brand new equivalent and compare the tone.

I remember comparing my last car when it was 12 years old with a brand
new one. The colour looked the same apart from an area where it had
been resprayed. I think the respray paint fades a bit.

Steve

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On 10/02/2018 01:09 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

In civilised countries, the letterbox is in the front door, the mail
goes inside the house.

Around here, only older neighborhoods have that. For awhile, my father
had one. You'd often come in the front room and find mail on the floor.
In newer neighborhoods like where I live, mailboxes are along the street
so the mail carrier doesn't have to leave his vehicle (except for
packages too big for the box, and certified mail requiring a signature).

[snip]

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