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Old December 18th 16, 02:10 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Or am I doing this wrong? I have no problems with the shortcuts though.

Thank you in advance.
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Old December 18th 16, 02:42 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Can't set my own icons in my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1's start menu folders?

Ant wrote:

Or am I doing this wrong? I have no problems with the shortcuts though.


If it is a program then it is a shortcut and you seem to know how to
change the icons for shortcuts. If it is a document or some file but
not an executable (from which the shortcut icon is taken by default)
then it gets the icon for the filetype. For example, if you have a .pdf
file shortcut in your Start menu then you get the icon for whatever is
current assigned as the handler for PDF files.

If you want to keep the default icon for a filetype but only change the
icon for a shortcut to a file of that type, you have to specify the
handler (program) instead with the doc file as an argument. For
example:

Shortcut to: somefile.txt
Gets the icon associated to .txt filetypes (a spiral notebook page with
a corner folded down).

Shortcut to: notepad.exe path\somefile.txt
Gets the icon from the resources defined inside of notepad.exe (spiral
notepad with cover, loose pages, and back cover). For that shortcut,
you can change the shortcut to a resource from another .exe or .dll file
or to an .ico image file. You can change the *program's* shortcut icon
to something else, like one of the image resources in moricons.dll or
shell32.dll.

If a shortcut points as a doc file, the icon will be the one for the
handler associated to that filetype. You need the shortcut to point at
a program (executable: exe, com, dll) to either use the image resource
inside that program's file, or an image resource from another program's
file, or a resource from a DLL file, or point directly to an .ico file.

There is some way to change the icon for a filetype but that means it
changes everywhere for files of that filetype (aka extension).
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Old December 18th 16, 03:35 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:


Or am I doing this wrong? I have no problems with the shortcuts though.


If it is a program then it is a shortcut and you seem to know how to
change the icons for shortcuts. If it is a document or some file but
not an executable (from which the shortcut icon is taken by default)
then it gets the icon for the filetype. For example, if you have a .pdf
file shortcut in your Start menu then you get the icon for whatever is
current assigned as the handler for PDF files.


If you want to keep the default icon for a filetype but only change the
icon for a shortcut to a file of that type, you have to specify the
handler (program) instead with the doc file as an argument. For
example:


Shortcut to: somefile.txt
Gets the icon associated to .txt filetypes (a spiral notebook page with
a corner folded down).


Shortcut to: notepad.exe path\somefile.txt
Gets the icon from the resources defined inside of notepad.exe (spiral
notepad with cover, loose pages, and back cover). For that shortcut,
you can change the shortcut to a resource from another .exe or .dll file
or to an .ico image file. You can change the *program's* shortcut icon
to something else, like one of the image resources in moricons.dll or
shell32.dll.


If a shortcut points as a doc file, the icon will be the one for the
handler associated to that filetype. You need the shortcut to point at
a program (executable: exe, com, dll) to either use the image resource
inside that program's file, or an image resource from another program's
file, or a resource from a DLL file, or point directly to an .ico file.


There is some way to change the icon for a filetype but that means it
changes everywhere for files of that filetype (aka extension).


No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".
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Old December 18th 16, 05:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ant wrote:


Or am I doing this wrong? I have no problems with the shortcuts though.


If it is a program then it is a shortcut and you seem to know how to
change the icons for shortcuts. If it is a document or some file but
not an executable (from which the shortcut icon is taken by default)
then it gets the icon for the filetype. For example, if you have a .pdf
file shortcut in your Start menu then you get the icon for whatever is
current assigned as the handler for PDF files.


If you want to keep the default icon for a filetype but only change the
icon for a shortcut to a file of that type, you have to specify the
handler (program) instead with the doc file as an argument. For
example:


Shortcut to: somefile.txt
Gets the icon associated to .txt filetypes (a spiral notebook page with
a corner folded down).


Shortcut to: notepad.exe path\somefile.txt
Gets the icon from the resources defined inside of notepad.exe (spiral
notepad with cover, loose pages, and back cover). For that shortcut,
you can change the shortcut to a resource from another .exe or .dll file
or to an .ico image file. You can change the *program's* shortcut icon
to something else, like one of the image resources in moricons.dll or
shell32.dll.


If a shortcut points as a doc file, the icon will be the one for the
handler associated to that filetype. You need the shortcut to point at
a program (executable: exe, com, dll) to either use the image resource
inside that program's file, or an image resource from another program's
file, or a resource from a DLL file, or point directly to an .ico file.


There is some way to change the icon for a filetype but that means it
changes everywhere for files of that filetype (aka extension).


No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".


Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.
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Old December 18th 16, 06:04 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".


Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.


I changed several C:\(root) work folder icons on 3 comps so that they stand out.
Have never noticed any strange behavior.
I use Classic start menu and Classic desktop on all the comps though.
Aero and other windows oem eye candy have been permanently turned off.

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Old December 18th 16, 10:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/17/2016 8:46 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ant wrote:


Or am I doing this wrong? I have no problems with the shortcuts though.


If it is a program then it is a shortcut and you seem to know how to
change the icons for shortcuts. If it is a document or some file but
not an executable (from which the shortcut icon is taken by default)
then it gets the icon for the filetype. For example, if you have a .pdf
file shortcut in your Start menu then you get the icon for whatever is
current assigned as the handler for PDF files.


If you want to keep the default icon for a filetype but only change the
icon for a shortcut to a file of that type, you have to specify the
handler (program) instead with the doc file as an argument. For
example:


Shortcut to: somefile.txt
Gets the icon associated to .txt filetypes (a spiral notebook page with
a corner folded down).


Shortcut to: notepad.exe path\somefile.txt
Gets the icon from the resources defined inside of notepad.exe (spiral
notepad with cover, loose pages, and back cover). For that shortcut,
you can change the shortcut to a resource from another .exe or .dll file
or to an .ico image file. You can change the *program's* shortcut icon
to something else, like one of the image resources in moricons.dll or
shell32.dll.


If a shortcut points as a doc file, the icon will be the one for the
handler associated to that filetype. You need the shortcut to point at
a program (executable: exe, com, dll) to either use the image resource
inside that program's file, or an image resource from another program's
file, or a resource from a DLL file, or point directly to an .ico file.


There is some way to change the icon for a filetype but that means it
changes everywhere for files of that filetype (aka extension).


No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".


Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.


Interesting. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. I didn't even get the warning.
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Old December 18th 16, 10:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/17/2016 9:04 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".


Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.


I changed several C:\(root) work folder icons on 3 comps so that they
stand out.
Have never noticed any strange behavior.
I use Classic start menu and Classic desktop on all the comps though.
Aero and other windows oem eye candy have been permanently turned off.


Hmm, I use the default aero Start Menu.
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Old December 18th 16, 09:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.


Interesting. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. I didn't even get the warning.


From your pic, I see the warning right above the Change Icon button.
Does "not working" mean clicking on the Change Icon button has no
effect? That no browse dialog appears to let you select a file (to see
if it has an image resources within it)?

When I click the Change Icon button, a browser dialog appears. It
defaults to selecting the shell32.dll file since that one has lots of
image resources. You can enter any file or browse to it. If has image
resources, it shows them to you. If it doesn't have any, a popup
appears saying that file has no icons.

I have a Utilities subfolder under the Start menu folder. When I right-
click on it, select Properties, and pick the Customize tab, I see (click
on image to enlarge):

http://imgur.com/a/9eHkn
(looks the same as your pic)

When I click on the Change Icon button, I get the browse dialog. Looks
like:

http://imgur.com/a/CcDZB
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Old December 18th 16, 09:01 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ant wrote:

Paul in Houston TX wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".

Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.


I changed several C:\(root) work folder icons on 3 comps so that they
stand out. Have never noticed any strange behavior. I use Classic
start menu and Classic desktop on all the comps though. Aero and
other windows oem eye candy have been permanently turned off.


Hmm, I use the default aero Start Menu.


I am also using the Aero theme (the regular one, not the basic one).
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Old December 19th 16, 05:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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....
No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".


Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.


Strange. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. It works fine with Start
menu's shortcuts, but not Start menu's folders.
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Old December 19th 16, 05:50 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:


VanguardLH wrote:

Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.


Interesting. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. I didn't even get the warning.


From your pic, I see the warning right above the Change Icon button.
Does "not working" mean clicking on the Change Icon button has no
effect? That no browse dialog appears to let you select a file (to see
if it has an image resources within it)?


When I click the Change Icon button, a browser dialog appears. It
defaults to selecting the shell32.dll file since that one has lots of
image resources. You can enter any file or browse to it. If has image
resources, it shows them to you. If it doesn't have any, a popup
appears saying that file has no icons.


I have a Utilities subfolder under the Start menu folder. When I right-
click on it, select Properties, and pick the Customize tab, I see (click
on image to enlarge):


http://imgur.com/a/9eHkn
(looks the same as your pic)


When I click on the Change Icon button, I get the browse dialog. Looks
like:


http://imgur.com/a/CcDZB


Yep, I get those. I just don't see the icons I asked for in my Start
Menu's folder icons.
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Old December 19th 16, 06:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 12/18/2016 8:49 PM, Ant wrote:
...
No, I meant FOLDER like "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start
Menu\Programs\Audio & Video\Players & Recorders\Winamp".


Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.


Strange. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. It works fine with Start
menu's shortcuts, but not Start menu's folders.


I was able to reproduce this in a brand new updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1
installation in VirtualBox's VM. Also, I tried its
%SystemRoot%\system32\SHELL32.dll's icons.

HOWEVER, I found a pattern when I made brand new Start Menu folders:
Local C:\Users\tester\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\ Start
Menu\LocalTest worked.
Global C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\AllTest failed.
W7 doesn't let us change icons its global Start Menu's folders?
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Old December 19th 16, 10:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ant wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:


VanguardLH wrote:

Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.

Interesting. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. I didn't even get the warning.


From your pic, I see the warning right above the Change Icon button.
Does "not working" mean clicking on the Change Icon button has no
effect? That no browse dialog appears to let you select a file (to see
if it has an image resources within it)?


When I click the Change Icon button, a browser dialog appears. It
defaults to selecting the shell32.dll file since that one has lots of
image resources. You can enter any file or browse to it. If has image
resources, it shows them to you. If it doesn't have any, a popup
appears saying that file has no icons.


I have a Utilities subfolder under the Start menu folder. When I right-
click on it, select Properties, and pick the Customize tab, I see (click
on image to enlarge):


http://imgur.com/a/9eHkn
(looks the same as your pic)


When I click on the Change Icon button, I get the browse dialog. Looks
like:


http://imgur.com/a/CcDZB


Yep, I get those. I just don't see the icons I asked for in my Start
Menu's folder icons.


Probably an iconcache thing. Have you logged out and back into your
Windows account, or rebooted the computer? Easier than having to delete
the iconcache.db file and reboot to rebuild it (but that may be needed).

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/rebuil...-cache-windows
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Old December 19th 16, 11:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:


VanguardLH wrote:
Ant wrote:


VanguardLH wrote:

Pretty much the same way you customize the icon for a shortcut.
Right-click on a folder, select Properties, and for a folder look under
the Customize tab for the Change Icon button.

It warns that changing the default folder results in not seeing a
preview of the folder's contents (files and subfolders). I have not
tested what changing a Start folder does or what "preview" you lose. I
don't want to test this just in case going backwards doesn't work and I
end up having to restore from a backup image to get back to standard
behavior.

Interesting. It is not working for me. See
http://image.prntscr.com/image/8049e...2646bda9fb.jpg for
my uploaded screen shot/capture. I didn't even get the warning.


From your pic, I see the warning right above the Change Icon button.
Does "not working" mean clicking on the Change Icon button has no
effect? That no browse dialog appears to let you select a file (to see
if it has an image resources within it)?


When I click the Change Icon button, a browser dialog appears. It
defaults to selecting the shell32.dll file since that one has lots of
image resources. You can enter any file or browse to it. If has image
resources, it shows them to you. If it doesn't have any, a popup
appears saying that file has no icons.


I have a Utilities subfolder under the Start menu folder. When I right-
click on it, select Properties, and pick the Customize tab, I see (click
on image to enlarge):


http://imgur.com/a/9eHkn
(looks the same as your pic)


When I click on the Change Icon button, I get the browse dialog. Looks
like:


http://imgur.com/a/CcDZB


Yep, I get those. I just don't see the icons I asked for in my Start
Menu's folder icons.


Probably an iconcache thing. Have you logged out and back into your
Windows account, or rebooted the computer? Easier than having to delete
the iconcache.db file and reboot to rebuild it (but that may be needed).


http://www.thewindowsclub.com/rebuil...-cache-windows


Not yet. I haven't rebooted since last Tuesdays for MS' updates. I did
try the cmd.exe method first, but that didn't seem to work. I will
reboot later.
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Default Can't set my own icons in my updated 64-bit W7 HPE SP1's start menu folders?

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Probably an iconcache thing. Have you logged out and back into your
Windows account, or rebooted the computer? Easier than having to delete
the iconcache.db file and reboot to rebuild it (but that may be needed).


http://www.thewindowsclub.com/rebuil...-cache-windows


Not yet. I haven't rebooted since last Tuesdays for MS' updates. I did
try the cmd.exe method first, but that didn't seem to work. I will
reboot later.


I finally rebooted, but it did not work. It looks like W7 doesn't let us
change its global Start Menu's folder icons. It works fine with
local Start Menu folders though.
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