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March 13th 20, 06:38 AM
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Signing into a "Microsoft Account"
I have been trying to do this using a password, username, phone no,
"alias" etc but nothing works. Can I cancel all the trys and start again from scratch? 
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March 13th 20, 09:44 AM
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Peter Jason wrote:
I have been trying to do this using a password, username, phone no, "alias" etc but nothing works. Can I cancel all the trys and start again from scratch? When you applied for the MSA, there should have been an email sent by the system confirming something. Do you still have that email ? It probably doesn't have a password in it, as that would be silly. I'm locked out of my gmail account right now, where I received my MSA confirmation, so I can't go look at an example of such :-/ There's a pile of rubbish here, if you have another computer handy etc. https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/...t-cant-sign-in And you can't cancel all tries, because the ****ing interfaces to modern cloud-based services are giant state machines. Like a person working on the bomb squad, once you trip a tamper detection on the bomb, the bomb moves to its next state. There is no "go backwards" or "do over". Only paths on the state machine where you rub your belly and pat your head, return you to one of the sane states in the machine. Like this: cool and ------------------------------- ****ed state -----------+ groovy state Typed just | | ^ one letter wrong | | | v | | recovery page | | | | | v | | Enter answer | +------------ good answer --- to security | question | | | +-------- wrong answer -----+ That's a simplified diagram. The real diagram is much more complicated. Notice the diagram has no "contact a human" entry. Such systems are intended for zero maintenance/zero cost. Even if you applied for another MSA, what good would that do ? Do you know whether the OS accepts a second MSA ? Remember that App Store purchases are keyed to an MSA (and a credit card presumably), so the application of a "new" MSA means kissing all those purchases good bye. That's why, really, there is no escape from that state machine. It really is... the ****ed state. I don't know whether the administrator account would help at this time or not. If you could get in as the administrator, you could create a new local account, apply a new MSA to it, or the like. But I really don't know what good that would do. I don't see a profit there, or an "escape". You still could potentially lose something. Like if all your email accounts were handled by the Mail App or something. I still have to figure out how I'll be getting back into my gmail account. Paul
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March 13th 20, 11:07 AM
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Paul wrote:
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March 13th 20, 11:42 AM
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On 3/13/20 7:07 AM, this is what Andy Burns wrote:
Paul wrote: Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* cool and ------------------------------- ****ed state -----------+ Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* groovy stateÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* Typed just |Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* ^Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* one letter wrong |Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | vÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* |Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â *Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* recovery pageÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | |Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | vÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* |Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â *Â*Â*Â* Enter answerÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* +------------ good answer --- to securityÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* | questionÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â* | |Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â *Â* | Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* +-------- wrong answer -----+ I avoid MSA like the plague, but from friends of friends who have managed to forget password, they then discover that over time they have changed mobile phone number, and also changed ISP and therefore changed email address, and that leaves them with ZERO ways to recover the locked MSA ... That's where 'plan ahead' comes into play. My wife and I both share each others encrypted password list so if one person gets locked out, the other can look up the passwords.
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March 13th 20, 11:48 AM
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Peter Jason wrote:
I have been trying to do this using a password, username, phone no, "alias" etc but nothing works. Can I cancel all the trys and start again from scratch? Which information *do* you have? If you have the associated e-mail address, then have you tried to login at the Microsoft *website*? N.B. The 'Sign in' at microsoft.com says you can use 'Email, phone or Skype' to log in. I tried Email and Skype and both worked.
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March 13th 20, 02:13 PM
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Big Al wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: I avoid MSA like the plague, but from friends of friends who have managed to forget password, they then discover that over time they have changed mobile phone number, and also changed ISP and therefore changed email address, and that leaves them with ZERO ways to recover the locked MSA ... That's where 'plan ahead' comes into play. You plan, I plan, perhaps we help our friends to plan, but friends of friends only crawl out of the woodwork when it's obvious they haven't planned ...
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March 13th 20, 09:34 PM
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On 13 Mar 2020 11:48:23 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: I have been trying to do this using a password, username, phone no, "alias" etc but nothing works. Can I cancel all the trys and start again from scratch? Which information *do* you have? If you have the associated e-mail address, then have you tried to login at the Microsoft *website*? N.B. The 'Sign in' at microsoft.com says you can use 'Email, phone or Skype' to log in. I tried Email and Skype and both worked. Tried this. I typed my normal email but it said to try another because that one had "been used already". I entered an old email, then it wanted a password which I didn't have or forgotten, so they sent another and that didn't work because they sent the code to the new wmail I don't have any more. I went thru the whole rigmarole again with my phone nimber and then they sent confirmation to the obsolete email too. I don't waste my time with "games" and I don't need their shop stuff, but now some manufactures of chemicals want a MSoft Account sign-in before they send out literature and SDSs ant etc. Seeming a growing trend.
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March 13th 20, 09:35 PM
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 05:44:41 -0400, Paul
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: I have been trying to do this using a password, username, phone no, "alias" etc but nothing works. Can I cancel all the trys and start again from scratch? When you applied for the MSA, there should have been an email sent by the system confirming something. Do you still have that email ? I'll look for it. It probably doesn't have a password in it, as that would be silly. I'm locked out of my gmail account right now, where I received my MSA confirmation, so I can't go look at an example of such :-/ There's a pile of rubbish here, if you have another computer handy etc. https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/...t-cant-sign-in And you can't cancel all tries, because the ****ing interfaces to modern cloud-based services are giant state machines. Like a person working on the bomb squad, once you trip a tamper detection on the bomb, the bomb moves to its next state. There is no "go backwards" or "do over". Only paths on the state machine where you rub your belly and pat your head, return you to one of the sane states in the machine. Like this: cool and ------------------------------- ****ed state -----------+ groovy state Typed just | | ^ one letter wrong | | | v | | recovery page | | | | | v | | Enter answer | +------------ good answer --- to security | question | | | +-------- wrong answer -----+ That's a simplified diagram. The real diagram is much more complicated. Notice the diagram has no "contact a human" entry. Such systems are intended for zero maintenance/zero cost. Even if you applied for another MSA, what good would that do ? Do you know whether the OS accepts a second MSA ? Remember that App Store purchases are keyed to an MSA (and a credit card presumably), so the application of a "new" MSA means kissing all those purchases good bye. That's why, really, there is no escape from that state machine. It really is... the ****ed state. I don't know whether the administrator account would help at this time or not. If you could get in as the administrator, you could create a new local account, apply a new MSA to it, or the like. But I really don't know what good that would do. I don't see a profit there, or an "escape". You still could potentially lose something. Like if all your email accounts were handled by the Mail App or something. I still have to figure out how I'll be getting back into my gmail account. Paul
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March 13th 20, 09:37 PM
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 05:44:41 -0400, Paul
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: I have been trying to do this using a password, username, phone no, "alias" etc but nothing works. Can I cancel all the trys and start again from scratch? When you applied for the MSA, there should have been an email sent by the system confirming something. Do you still have that email ? Maybe, and the only reason I need this MSA thing is because commercial sites are asking for it as ID.
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March 13th 20, 11:44 PM
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Peter Jason wrote:
the only reason I need this MSA thing is because commercial sites are asking for it as ID. Do you really want to co-operate with those suppliers in turning MS into a shadow identity provider?
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March 14th 20, 12:19 AM
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On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 23:44:31 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: the only reason I need this MSA thing is because commercial sites are asking for it as ID. Do you really want to co-operate with those suppliers in turning MS into a shadow identity provider? Actually I was thinking the same thing. I'll see if they have another method.
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March 15th 20, 01:06 PM
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Two days ago, I wrote:
[...] N.B. The 'Sign in' at microsoft.com says you can use 'Email, phone or Skype' to log in. I tried Email and Skype and both worked. Before someone thinks "That Slootweg dude has gone bonkers!": I *have* a Microsoft Account, I don't *use* it. I.e. I'm sane enough to have only local accounts on our computers. Then *why* do I have a a Microsoft Account? Because I have a Skype account, Microsoft bought Skype and made the Skype account a part of a Microsoft Account. It's bad enough for me, a Windows user, to have a Microsoft Account, think about those poor Mac, iOS, Linux, Android, etc., etc. people! :-)
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March 15th 20, 08:27 PM
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On 15 Mar 2020 13:06:46 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote: Two days ago, I wrote: [...] N.B. The 'Sign in' at microsoft.com says you can use 'Email, phone or Skype' to log in. I tried Email and Skype and both worked. Before someone thinks "That Slootweg dude has gone bonkers!": I *have* a Microsoft Account, I don't *use* it. I.e. I'm sane enough to have only local accounts on our computers. Then *why* do I have a a Microsoft Account? Because I have a Skype account, Microsoft bought Skype and made the Skype account a part of a Microsoft Account. It's bad enough for me, a Windows user, to have a Microsoft Account, think about those poor Mac, iOS, Linux, Android, etc., etc. people! :-) I do not mind having a MSoft account, but how do I start all over and get one?
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March 16th 20, 03:08 PM
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Peter Jason wrote:
On 15 Mar 2020 13:06:46 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote: Two days ago, I wrote: [...] N.B. The 'Sign in' at microsoft.com says you can use 'Email, phone or Skype' to log in. I tried Email and Skype and both worked. Before someone thinks "That Slootweg dude has gone bonkers!": I *have* a Microsoft Account, I don't *use* it. I.e. I'm sane enough to have only local accounts on our computers. Then *why* do I have a a Microsoft Account? Because I have a Skype account, Microsoft bought Skype and made the Skype account a part of a Microsoft Account. It's bad enough for me, a Windows user, to have a Microsoft Account, think about those poor Mac, iOS, Linux, Android, etc., etc. people! :-) I do not mind having a MSoft account, but how do I start all over and get one? Use a new/unused (for Microsoft) e-mail address and use Create instead of Sign in. If you still have an old/working e-mail address which (you think) was used for a Microsoft Account, but do not know your username or password, you can use the 'Forgot my username' function (Sign in - Sign-in options) that will send a security code to the e-mail address, so you can login and take it from there. Only if you do not know the email address, *nor* phone number, *nor* Skype name or these are no longer existing/working, you have a problem logging in to your old account. Again, if you want/need further help, please indicate clearly which of these pieces of information you do and do not have and whether the email address, phone number and Skype name are still existing/working. I.e. things like "old email" doesn't mean a thing, what *matters* is if you *know* the email address and if it still exists and is working, i.e. you can receive/see e-mail sent to that address.
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