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On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ken Blake on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:40:52 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2/22/2020 4:29 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
[]
WordPerfect has the view option "revealed codes", so you can see
what is being done to the document (font changes, paragraph styles,
bold / underline / italic) and you can search for the embedded code.

I remember being very impressed with that option, in WP 5.1, the last
one I had much to do with - the last (I think) DOS one.


No, the last DOS version was 6.2.


(Of course, DOS
- or character mode, if you wish - wasn't very WYSIWYG, so reveal codes
was useful.)


To me the main value of reveal codes (not "revealed codes") is when you
want to remove or change a formatting option Reveal Codes makes it very
easy to put the cursor in the appropriate place. It's much harder in Word.

If it matters to you, then it can be a deal breaker. If it
doesn't, then use what you are use to.

Like news readers. Personally, I like either nn or rn. But those
worked in a Unix shell account I had back in the dark ages.

Over the years I've known many people who hated WordPerfect and greatly
preferred Word. Their main objection to WordPerfect was reveal codes,
even though its presence is optional and it's very easy to turn off if
you don't want to see it.

And that is another issue: "too much work" to configure something.
--
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Anyone familiar with my posts knows it's not generated in the sense Panthera Tigris Altaica is claiming, and most of them are flat out manually written. Ending support for command line holdovers is needed for progress.

"Somewhere between 2000 or 2008 I trusted Panthera Tigris Altaica - the fully angry liar" - Diesel. I am not raging, in fact I'm busting a gut because Diesel's lying is so absurd. He actively did not speak of all the specifications that he would inevitably dismiss... and we all know why, Diesel is such a moron. At least he has his shills rushing to his rescue

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On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 19:46:12 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

"Mayayana" on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:31:48
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"pyotr filipivich" wrote
| The short form: I've been using WP for decades, I have a gut
| reaction against the Evil Empire anyway, and Word also wants to
| enhance my computer experience with more freeping dancing bunnies*
| Hope that explains enough.

So you don't necessarily think it's better... you're
just used to it? I've never had occasion to do all
the things you've needed to do, like making a
brochure.

it is as much of a case of I started out just needing to produce
papers for class, getting the home version when I got the home
computer, and over the years found "new" things it could do. I don't
know how one would establish an objective standard of "Word processor
quality".
Notepad and wordpad will handle _most_ people's "word processing"
demands. That is, enter text, edit it, print it out. Whether it is a
memo, letter, or class paper, that's all they really want/need; a
glorified typewriter. All the fonts, formatting, headers, footers and
the rest - for the person who wants to write a letter home, all those
other options are "bloatware".
As I said, I messed about with Gutenberg, and some Desktop
Publishing Software. Gutenberg will handle plain text, you could use
if for letter writing. But it could also "mark up" a document for a
"fancy" result. In 1985, it was pretty cool. It also handled Cyrillic
(and Hebrew) which is why I stumbled across it. I'm trying to figure
out Scribus, because it may do some DTP which I want done. (Mostly,
producing a small booklet of the morning prayers.)

I still use Xywite, a DOS word rocessor that is more powerful than MS
Word, and fits on a 360 floppy disk.

It lacks the bells and whistles that Word has, but as wordprocessors
go, it has more pistons and cylinders.


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On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:50:20 AM UTC-7, Stephen Carroll wrote:
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 8:44:16 PM UTC-7, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Ken Blake on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:40:52 -0700
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2/22/2020 4:29 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
[]
WordPerfect has the view option "revealed codes", so you can see
what is being done to the document (font changes, paragraph styles,
bold / underline / italic) and you can search for the embedded code.

I remember being very impressed with that option, in WP 5.1, the last
one I had much to do with - the last (I think) DOS one.


No, the last DOS version was 6.2.


(Of course, DOS
- or character mode, if you wish - wasn't very WYSIWYG, so reveal codes
was useful.)


To me the main value of reveal codes (not "revealed codes") is when you
want to remove or change a formatting option Reveal Codes makes it very
easy to put the cursor in the appropriate place. It's much harder in Word.

If it matters to you, then it can be a deal breaker. If it
doesn't, then use what you are use to.

Like news readers. Personally, I like either nn or rn. But those
worked in a Unix shell account I had back in the dark ages.

Over the years I've known many people who hated WordPerfect and greatly
preferred Word. Their main objection to WordPerfect was reveal codes,
even though its presence is optional and it's very easy to turn off if
you don't want to see it.

And that is another issue: "too much work" to configure something.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?



Anyone familiar with my posts knows it's not generated in the sense Panthera Tigris Altaica is claiming, and most of them are flat out manually written. Ending support for command line holdovers is needed for progress.

"Somewhere between 2000 or 2008 I trusted Panthera Tigris Altaica - the fully angry liar" - Diesel. I am not raging, in fact I'm busting a gut because Diesel's lying is so absurd. He actively did not speak of all the specifications that he would inevitably dismiss... and we all know why, Diesel is such a moron. At least he has his shills rushing to his rescue

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty can only rationalize from the perspective of a sociopath. What I do is certainly faster. Can you get Shadow to agree? All I learned is, where I have met people calling themselves "liberals" while in the back country, they weren't the usual muttonhead sort that likes to grumble about so much. Why are such herds apparently never content... WTF is up with that?

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In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
"Mayayana" on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:31:48
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
[]
So you don't necessarily think it's better... you're
just used to it?

I think, if we're honest, that's the answer to - or rather reason for -
a lot of these type of argument. (Not just word processors, of course.)
[]
Notepad and wordpad will handle _most_ people's "word processing"
demands. That is, enter text, edit it, print it out. Whether it is a

I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.
[]
If you typed the report in WordPerfect and you wanted to amend
everything but the Headings to Courier, 11 pt, Fully Justified, you
would press ctrl+home to go to the top of the document and make 3
formatting changes (3 clicks); your entire report (excluding Headings,
which are Styles) would then follow these changes.

If you typed the same report in Word and you wanted to make the same
changes, you would have to do one of the following:

+ Go to Format › Style › Modify › Format › Font (and Paragraph),
then change the Normal (or predefined) Style
+ 'Select All', make these changes, then modify Headings Styles
+ Create a complex search to amend these formatting changes
+ Go through and change each paragraph individually using the
Format Painter

Word's style system _does_ have a "change all 36 examples of this
style?" prompt. (Thanks for mention of Format Painter - so that's what
it's for! I've never used it.)

In many of these cases, we probably have muscle memory of how to do it
in whichever one we're used to.
[]
There seems to be, at least on the WP side, a consensus that for
_complex_ documents, where multiple authors have contributed using
their own personal flavor of outline numbering schemes and other style
elements.

(I'm not sure how choice of WP makes any difference the the decision
is whether to have different parts of the document follow different
schemes, or have a consistent one. For the reader, consistent is
probably better; for the authors, all but one - or all - will be a
little unhappy that their style wasn't adopted. Or are you saying that
it's easier to knock them all into one in WP? [Really, if there's going
to be a collaborative big document, you should establish common
standards at a kickoff meeting anyway, though I know no-one likes doing
that; it's rather like a big VHDL or other engineering project, where
establishing interface standards at the start saves tears later.])
[]
--
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.... unlike other legal systems the common law is permissive. We can do what we
like, unless it is specifically prohibited by law. We are not as rule-bound
and codified as other legal systems. - Helena Kennedy QC (Radio Times 14-20
July 2012).

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 4:13:54 AM UTC-7, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , pyotr
filipivich writes:
"Mayayana" on Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:31:48
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
[]
So you don't necessarily think it's better... you're
just used to it?

I think, if we're honest, that's the answer to - or rather reason for -
a lot of these type of argument. (Not just word processors, of course.)
[]
Notepad and wordpad will handle _most_ people's "word processing"
demands. That is, enter text, edit it, print it out. Whether it is a

I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.
[]
If you typed the report in WordPerfect and you wanted to amend
everything but the Headings to Courier, 11 pt, Fully Justified, you
would press ctrl+home to go to the top of the document and make 3
formatting changes (3 clicks); your entire report (excluding Headings,
which are Styles) would then follow these changes.

If you typed the same report in Word and you wanted to make the same
changes, you would have to do one of the following:

+ Go to Format › Style › Modify › Format › Font (and Paragraph),
then change the Normal (or predefined) Style
+ 'Select All', make these changes, then modify Headings Styles
+ Create a complex search to amend these formatting changes
+ Go through and change each paragraph individually using the
Format Painter

Word's style system _does_ have a "change all 36 examples of this
style?" prompt. (Thanks for mention of Format Painter - so that's what
it's for! I've never used it.)

In many of these cases, we probably have muscle memory of how to do it
in whichever one we're used to.
[]
There seems to be, at least on the WP side, a consensus that for
_complex_ documents, where multiple authors have contributed using
their own personal flavor of outline numbering schemes and other style
elements.

(I'm not sure how choice of WP makes any difference the the decision
is whether to have different parts of the document follow different
schemes, or have a consistent one. For the reader, consistent is
probably better; for the authors, all but one - or all - will be a
little unhappy that their style wasn't adopted. Or are you saying that
it's easier to knock them all into one in WP? [Really, if there's going
to be a collaborative big document, you should establish common
standards at a kickoff meeting anyway, though I know no-one likes doing
that; it's rather like a big VHDL or other engineering project, where
establishing interface standards at the start saves tears later.])
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

... unlike other legal systems the common law is permissive. We can do what we
like, unless it is specifically prohibited by law. We are not as rule-bound
and codified as other legal systems. - Helena Kennedy QC (Radio Times 14-20
July 2012).



Here are some of the scripted posts from Jonas Eklundh... the script adds a nonsense or irrelevant insult or accusation after most sentences and adds numbers to the text so he can better track his trolling:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/RZtEyvJr8HI/VcEqOk2qCgAJ or https://goo.gl/67NLfr.

You can see a run of three scripted flood posts from his primary account.

From: Sandman
Message-ID:
X-Trace: individual.net +MPBYFbnugFd2iPraU5I9ABV/5ZlNHtqj79Ij19mAYCfL5sHI=
User-Agent: Sandmania 2.0

He also has them elsewhere, here are some examples:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Xetqyi1T0F0/cvoqp3eqCgAJ OR https://goo.gl/jy0rsr.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/10d0Emx_ABk/eN0r1_epCgAJ OR https://goo.gl/Rkz0PO.

On that one he has a run of two.

And a longer and clearly scripted, content-free flood post:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/2WS3xlecnw8/lizfGLOnCgAJ OR https://goo.gl/t7cTHd.

And even more!

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/cYutxNP1hWc/KZikieXECgAJ OR https://goo.gl/Z6G7Ic

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/RZtEyvJr8HI/6sJfxaDECgAJ OR https://goo.gl/mTXlFt

Lots more but that is enough to prove the point multiple times over. Sandman has been flooding not just with his Google accounts but with his standard account. ALL of those come from the same source I listed above and it is Sandman's standard account.

Jonas Eklundh: busted.

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On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:23:09 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I still use Xywite, a DOS word rocessor that is more powerful than MS
Word, and fits on a 360 floppy disk.

It lacks the bells and whistles that Word has, but as wordprocessors
go, it has more pistons and cylinders.

We all seem to prefer using what we are used to, using a mew tool
takes time and effort. Pity there's no FrameMaker available cheaply
on Windows.

On 2/23/2020 6:57 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:23:09 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I still use Xywite, a DOS word rocessor that is more powerful than MS
Word, and fits on a 360 floppy disk.

It lacks the bells and whistles that Word has, but as wordprocessors
go, it has more pistons and cylinders.

We all seem to prefer using what we are used to, using a mew tool
takes time and effort. Pity there's no FrameMaker available cheaply
on Windows.

I use WordPerfect. The first word processor I had was a DOS based word
processor on my IBM Jr. I also used in on my first IBM AT. Then for a
short period the company went to MS Word. I used that for years.

I found that MS Word and WordPerfect were both good for the original
document.

However at one time part of my job was to manage a document system.
Editing old MS documents was a pain as traces of formatting form
previous revision collected in the document, until the only solution to
further edit the document was to convert to ASCII, Open it in MS Word
and completely redo the formatting. If WordPerfect the process was
significantly simplified as you could find the offending formatting code
and remove it. This could be done with out going through the ACSII step
and reformatting as in MS Word.

Consequently today I use WordPerfect because of the ability to purge
problem formatting code with out redoing the complete document. I also
use Quattro Pro.

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 5:16:04 AM UTC-7, knuttle wrote:
On 2/23/2020 6:57 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 10:23:09 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

I still use Xywite, a DOS word rocessor that is more powerful than MS
Word, and fits on a 360 floppy disk.

It lacks the bells and whistles that Word has, but as wordprocessors
go, it has more pistons and cylinders.

We all seem to prefer using what we are used to, using a mew tool
takes time and effort. Pity there's no FrameMaker available cheaply
on Windows.

I use WordPerfect. The first word processor I had was a DOS based word
processor on my IBM Jr. I also used in on my first IBM AT. Then for a
short period the company went to MS Word. I used that for years.

I found that MS Word and WordPerfect were both good for the original
document.

However at one time part of my job was to manage a document system.
Editing old MS documents was a pain as traces of formatting form
previous revision collected in the document, until the only solution to
further edit the document was to convert to ASCII, Open it in MS Word
and completely redo the formatting. If WordPerfect the process was
significantly simplified as you could find the offending formatting code
and remove it. This could be done with out going through the ACSII step
and reformatting as in MS Word.

Consequently today I use WordPerfect because of the ability to purge
problem formatting code with out redoing the complete document. I also
use Quattro Pro.



I am a total advocate of LXQt, because that's where all the stimulating modernization is happening. What is your evidence? The only way that I could disregard LXQt's constant need for customizing because of driver dilemmas or buggy updates is if I consumed the substantial supply of Kool Aid flavors its community have been feeding Beauregard T. Shagnasty since 2012. "You are never up to anything good" said Beauregard T. Shagnasty's boyfriend. Proof Beauregard T. Shagnasty accuses everyone of being Snit http://sandman.net/files/snit_circus.png.

Having to deal with the use of LXQt is not what most want to do.



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"pyotr filipivich" wrote


| goes into a lot of the details of the inside goings on. Simply put,
| WP changes things "going forward" where as Word treats everything as
| an object.
| quote:
| "... illustrate these concepts further by using a real-life example
| that you would commonly encounter when word processing:
|

Thanks for that info. I'm used to the standardized menu
approach. Edit - Select All, etc. It sounds like WP is easier
but more esoteric. Not "discoverable".

This reminds me of the early "desktop publishing" by
yuppies showing off that they could print their party
announcement or lost cat notice with a boxy, robo-font,
and staple those to telephone poles. Which was amazing at
the time. I'd had some expeirence with paste-up. Want
a booklet? Call the typesetter, read out the text. Tell them
font, paragraph starts, etc. Order a photostat, or photo
of the text. Slice it up carefully and lay it out on cardboard,
using rubber cement. Then send that to the printer. Here were
people doing the whole thing in their home office. Primitive,
but it worked.

I never went to college and didn't know how to turn on
a computer in that timeframe. Nor did I have $5,000 to
buy one. As amazing as desktop publishing was, for most
of us there was no reason to be involved with it. So I
bypassed DOS and keyboard shortcuts entirely, as well
as the early days of MACs.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.

I don't think most people know it exists. I find that
most people don't even know Notepad exists. Either they
use MS Word for work, or they don't need word processing
outside of email. I run into people who don't know cut,
copy, paste!
But it's been my impression that Wordpad is essentially
the old version of Word. It could probably easily satisfy
most peoples' needs if it were polished up a bit. MS probably
keep it primitive deliberately. Though RTF format has had
several upgrades over the years. (I know that because
my own code editor uses a RichEdit window -- the basis
of Wordpad -- and I do the formatting "by hand", building
the RTF code for syntax color highlighting by parsing the
text and adding the RTF markers, because it's much faster than
using SendMessage API to a RichEdit window. A RichEdit
is amazingly capable, yet it's also a standard component
of any Windows install.)

I think that, also, standardization can't be overestimated.
Schools and businesses use MS Word. If you don't have
the latest version "you're a rotten egg". It really is that
childish. When my neice was at college around 2005-ish
she told me they were forced to buy MS Office. I don't
know exactly what "forced" meant, but to her it clearly
meant there was no choice in the classes she was taking.
Which makes sense. The teachers probably all had MS Office
and it's likely that not one of them would have had any idea
how to deal with anything but a DOC file. Most of them
probably didn't even know about file extensions. The
conveniences also serve as chains, locking people in.

"pyotr filipivich" wrote

| Back in the day, when I was doing that, it was 8.3. And all text
| files, even the uucp files. For me, it worked that I could save a
| posting as TECHREDU.TPM and know it was from talk.politics.misc

I see. But that was back when all files just
opened on your DOS screen, no? I suppose back then
the whole point of an extension would have been what
you were doing. I hadn't thought of that. It's interesting
that we're all mostly in the same age range, yet
we come from different generations of computer
tech.

Yesterday I was reading an article at NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...onsulting.html

It's about a father/son team who do consulting to
advise companies about how to relate to different
generations. For instance, GenZers can get confused
if they have to answer phones at work. They've never
answered a phone call that wasn't for them.

Though in some ways nothing changes. At its core
these consultants are really just providing age-old
advice: What's the best way to exploit young people
and get them to work for almost nothing. In the old
days it was the threat of being fired. Today it's
apparently done by pretending that your company is
devoted to saving the planet, and by paying the kids
with vanity stroking rather than cash.

| how many blonde lawyers does it take to change a
| lightbulb.
|
I don't know. I only know I couldn't afford the fee.

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 6:56:46 AM UTC-7, Mayayana wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I actually see very little discussion of Wordpad.

I don't think most people know it exists. I find that
most people don't even know Notepad exists. Either they
use MS Word for work, or they don't need word processing
outside of email. I run into people who don't know cut,
copy, paste!
But it's been my impression that Wordpad is essentially
the old version of Word. It could probably easily satisfy
most peoples' needs if it were polished up a bit. MS probably
keep it primitive deliberately. Though RTF format has had
several upgrades over the years. (I know that because
my own code editor uses a RichEdit window -- the basis
of Wordpad -- and I do the formatting "by hand", building
the RTF code for syntax color highlighting by parsing the
text and adding the RTF markers, because it's much faster than
using SendMessage API to a RichEdit window. A RichEdit
is amazingly capable, yet it's also a standard component
of any Windows install.)

I think that, also, standardization can't be overestimated.
Schools and businesses use MS Word. If you don't have
the latest version "you're a rotten egg". It really is that
childish. When my neice was at college around 2005-ish
she told me they were forced to buy MS Office. I don't
know exactly what "forced" meant, but to her it clearly
meant there was no choice in the classes she was taking.
Which makes sense. The teachers probably all had MS Office
and it's likely that not one of them would have had any idea
how to deal with anything but a DOC file. Most of them
probably didn't even know about file extensions. The
conveniences also serve as chains, locking people in.



Just idiotic trolling. And I am giving attention to that trolling. THAT is what the "nospam circus" is.

Tmux is only less expensive if your time has no value.

nospam can only think from the viewpoint of a programmer.

Oh goodness, that is just tons of rot.

nospam expects people to believe that a poster such as Apd who he has frequently accused to be a troll is someone to 'trust'? Why can he believe people are THAT stupid?

When I got here, I wanted to be equitable and nonjudgemental. I gave nospam more than a credible person could be expected to.



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On 2/22/2020 8:46 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

If you typed the report in WordPerfect and you wanted to amend
everything but the Headings to Courier, 11 pt, Fully Justified, you
would press ctrl+home to go to the top of the document and make 3
formatting changes (3 clicks); your entire report (excluding Headings,
which are Styles) would then follow these changes.

If you typed the same report in Word and you wanted to make the same
changes, you would have to do one of the following:

+ Go to Format » Style » Modify » Format » Font (and Paragraph),
then change the Normal (or predefined) Style
+ 'Select All', make these changes, then modify Headings Styles
+ Create a complex search to amend these formatting changes
+ Go through and change each paragraph individually using the
Format Painter


I almost never use styles. If I wanted to do what you describe in either
WordPerfect or Word, I would just select all of the report except for
the headings, then choose the courier font, fully justified.

Or if the report was very long, making it difficult to do the selection,
I would select it all using Ctrl-A, and change it to courier fully
justified, then select the headings and change it back to Ariel left
justified.

Quick and easy either way.

By the way, a very minor point and even farther off-topic than Word and
WordPerfect, but it's normally "et alii," abbreviated "et al.," not "et
alia." And that phrase is used to refer to people, not things. For
things, "etc." is used.



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Ken Blake wrote:
Yes. Same with Windows vs Apple, vs Linux; FireFox vs Chrome vs Edge;
Ford, vs GM; Toyota vs Honda vs Nissan; etc. etc. etc.

Naw, Edge just universally sucks... ;-)

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On 2/23/2020 9:38 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
Yes. Same with Windows vs Apple, vs Linux; FireFox vs Chrome vs Edge;
Ford, vs GM; Toyota vs Honda vs Nissan; etc. etc. etc.

Naw, Edge just universally sucks... ;-)


I completely agree with you. Bur my point is that not everyone does.


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