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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
On 3/10/20 3:39 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E. R. wrote: | But the thing is, he figured you out wrong, you did not fell for Apple | marketing :-P No. In fact I never pass up an opportunity to list the evils of Apple and Lord Jobs. I wouldn't touch their products.... even if they were reasonably priced. except that just about everything you claim apple does is demonstrably false, including the above, since their products are price competitive with similar products from other companies. LOL :-D it's true. the mere fact that he says 'lord jobs' shows his bias. Well, I own an iMac... Xcode environment is hard to handle compared to other IDEs. Adding other libraries and then SIP is a big pain. I disabled SIP so that I could add external libraries... or so I thought I could. Apples environment is pretty well locked down, except for downloading other apps. It doesn't set up the usual /usr/include or /usr/lib like other UNIXes used to. It is just plain weird. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
"Carlos E. R." wrote
| except that just about everything you claim apple does is demonstrably | false, including the above, since their products are price competitive | with similar products from other companies. | | | LOL :-D | I'm dreaming of a faceoff between nospam and Arlen. Maybe a wrestling match combined with shouting. The winner gets to make everyone read one of his posts. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
"Carlos E. R." wrote
| Oh, some smart people did a lot of money selling portals to investors | before they crashed. I know someone who's a so-called analyst. The kind of people who collect statistics and then give talks at trade conferences. His whole routine was portals for awhile. I never understood the "big idea" either. I thought maybe it was the idea that corporate sites should use a portal design, but I was never sure. Though there is a lot of following fads in web design, so that might have been it -- the hot fad of the day. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
anonlinuxuser wrote:
----snip---- Well, I own an iMac... Xcode environment is hard to handle compared to other IDEs. Adding other libraries and then SIP is a big pain. I disabled SIP so that I could add external libraries... or so I thought I could. Apples environment is pretty well locked down, except for downloading other apps. It doesn't set up the usual /usr/include or /usr/lib like other UNIXes used to. It is just plain weird. Have you tried mkdir /usr and/or whichever descendents your aims require? Follow that up with ldconfig and bob's yer uncle. Maybe. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
Mayayana wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote: nospam wrote: except that just about everything you claim apple does is demonstrably false, ----snip---- LOL :-D I'm dreaming of a faceoff between nospam and Arlen. Maybe a wrestling match combined with shouting. The winner gets to make everyone read one of his posts. Eek! |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
In article , anonlinuxuser
wrote: Well, I own an iMac... Xcode environment is hard to handle compared to other IDEs. it's comparable. in some ways it's easier and other ways not. if you don't like xcode, you can always use the command line and makefiles... Adding other libraries and then SIP is a big pain. I disabled SIP so that I could add external libraries... or so I thought I could. there is *no* need to disable sip to use external libraries. Apples environment is pretty well locked down, except for downloading other apps. false. unfortunately, the risks of cyber attacks is very real, where untrusted apps can do nefarious things, therefore apps must be codesigned and request permission to access certain assets, however, that can be completely overridden if desired. It doesn't set up the usual /usr/include or /usr/lib like other UNIXes used to. It is just plain weird. it's also plain wrong. % ls /usr bin/ lib/ local/ share/ include/ libexec/ sbin/ standalone/ some things are different, but that's the case on any variant of unix. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E. R." wrote | except that just about everything you claim apple does is demonstrably | false, including the above, since their products are price competitive | with similar products from other companies. | | | LOL :-D | I'm dreaming of a faceoff between nospam and Arlen. Maybe a wrestling match combined with shouting. The winner gets to make everyone read one of his posts. Provider 1 bids 300 quatloos on the newcomer. Paul |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
On 11/03/2020 01.04, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E. R." wrote | except that just about everything you claim apple does is demonstrably | false, including the above, since their products are price competitive | with similar products from other companies. | | | LOL :-D | I'm dreaming of a faceoff between nospam and Arlen. Maybe a wrestling match combined with shouting. The winner gets to make everyone read one of his posts. Ehhh! :-D -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
"Dan Purgert" wrote
| I'm dreaming of a faceoff between nospam and | Arlen. Maybe a wrestling match combined with | shouting. The winner gets to make everyone read | one of his posts. | | Aren't there laws about "Cruel and unusual punishment" where you're | from? | You mean our punishment? |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:21:18 -0600, anonlinuxuser
wrote: On 3/9/20 8:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:21:36 -0600, anonlinuxuser wrote: Oh, I know what the narrative looked like. But who funded such a large server farm so quickly? Perhaps actually using Google search might provide a useful answer? BTW, nice of you to scatter your conspiratorial rubbish into 5 unrelated newsgroups. The surest sign of success is oversubscription and pollution and judging by your contribution, Usenet is certainly successful. To be precise, I only subscribe to linux advocacy. Looking for some useful information regarding linux. My apologies. I initially traced back the headers in this thread to what I thought was your initial reply to an article by: From: "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" Due to the "anonymous", I managed to confuse your article and the original posting. I also didn't notice that the original posting had the same 5 unrelated newsgroups. Of those, I only subscribe to rec.bicycles.tech. Since the original article involved riding a bicycle, I assumed it originated from rec.bicycles.tech. Such massive cross posting bothers me, thus my comments. I'll try to be more careful and diplomatic in the future. But I used to work for the NSA for a short while... so what you would consider conspiracy, which was something that the CIA invented, was actually true. IIRC, the NSA approached Bill Gates on putting back doors in Windows so that they could spy. What a convenient way. Otherwise, Judge Pennington would have ripped Microsoft to shreds if he didn't. That might be true. All that would be necessary is to leave a few unpatched security issues. Well, maybe more than a few: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html https://www.cvedetails.com/product/32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html?vendor_id=26 Hmmm... looks like 2020 disappeared from the database. Who is Judge Pennington? I thought the judge in the US vs Microsoft monopoly trial was Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp. As near as I can determine, Microsoft got accused of playing monopoly because the company had not bothered to donate much money to political candidates. The monopoly accusation was suppose to remind MS of its obligation to fund both parties and their candidates. Despite the saber rattling and threats to "breakup" MS, I doubt that the government had any interest in pursuing the issue to trial and inevitable appeal. A wise CEO would simply have caved in, paid off the government extortionists, and continued with business as usual. Bill Gates didn't and against the advice of literally everyone, decided to take on the government. MS lost, but nothing detrimental happened. The only change is that MS started contributing far more to political parties and candidates. I would not be surprised if the NSA didn't use the trial as an opportunity to promote its own interests. Notice the jump in contributions around the year before the trial in 2000. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000115&cycle=2020 Also to say that the whole world at that time was predominantly windows. Making it a whole lot easier to spy. OTW, you don't need boots on the ground to do so. Yep. Any sufficiently complicated collection of hardware and software is indistinguishable from a wire tap. Does that make it easier for you to grok the situation now? Which situation? I replied to your comments which suggested some manner of secret initial funding of Google by government acronyms. Quoting your comments: I don't own any Google devices or software. And who's idea was it to fund in the beginning of Google? One of the three letter agencies. What a better way to spy on the public. Hook n' Crook. (...) Oh, I know what the narrative looked like. But who funded such a large server farm so quickly? Although I can recognize some possibilities, I don't see a conspiracy here. Google's initial funding was about $800,000 from 4 angel investors. A year later, the first round of funding netted $25 million from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital. One can buy an awful lot of servers and bandwidth for $25 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google#Early_years -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That made him a suspect.
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Dan Purgert wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Mayayana wrote: "Carlos E. R." wrote | except that just about everything you claim apple does is demonstrably | false, including the above, since their products are price competitive | with similar products from other companies. | | | LOL :-D | I'm dreaming of a faceoff between nospam and Arlen. Maybe a wrestling match combined with shouting. The winner gets to make everyone read one of his posts. Aren't there laws about "Cruel and unusual punishment" where you're from? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAl5oQs oACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooH5hwgAhu8fcqQpU4cNvvtQxvnNVSYX6EqwIct963q3LqA9zO s8Jndrueuz0TJg QwG6QO1pQPLc4uryT9GNOgEPuaTPNFVAkzzNTnrUVUGhafSF8U t5uHCdzO1C+mWh q4CVGAmBGMy9g6GaLSuMvfV6p+fnbfUTRmW6fUHocSt2tTHCEK onJkDx7TbxOoHo CnUeBOyjrtVS2qJGoazDjyGByWR7QVO+g83uTSAgJn+JThrnvU wjyzS7KaQs6VMF FCwRRXQKyDTE5u2eYbKIXjB0lF/73YvxeOgDxzZyBU2hOHzyO3zJDEgGUY/kVWis LESWhuiW3UsWOokY2BQLwKhSvw2Pog== =HGcw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
On 3/10/20 6:17 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
anonlinuxuser wrote: ----snip---- Well, I own an iMac... Xcode environment is hard to handle compared to other IDEs. Adding other libraries and then SIP is a big pain. I disabled SIP so that I could add external libraries... or so I thought I could. Apples environment is pretty well locked down, except for downloading other apps. It doesn't set up the usual /usr/include or /usr/lib like other UNIXes used to. It is just plain weird. Have you tried mkdir /usr and/or whichever descendents your aims require? Follow that up with ldconfig and bob's yer uncle. Maybe. I've already tried that. It's the Xcode paradigm that doesn't want to cooperate... then you have this huge long list to set the paths and then other paths. Seems to take a good day just to set things up. The bigger problem, and not Apples problem, is that the old C programs aren't compatible with the C99 standard, such as stdarg.h, plus that pointers and integers in the earlier days were both 32-bit. The 64-bit pointers are just that, but the integers are 32-bit. Too many rewrites to do. Then figure out Objective-C apis. Still doesn't make much sense. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
On 3/10/20 6:26 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , anonlinuxuser wrote: Well, I own an iMac... Xcode environment is hard to handle compared to other IDEs. it's comparable. in some ways it's easier and other ways not. if you don't like xcode, you can always use the command line and makefiles... Adding other libraries and then SIP is a big pain. I disabled SIP so that I could add external libraries... or so I thought I could. there is *no* need to disable sip to use external libraries. Apples environment is pretty well locked down, except for downloading other apps. false. unfortunately, the risks of cyber attacks is very real, where untrusted apps can do nefarious things, therefore apps must be codesigned and request permission to access certain assets, however, that can be completely overridden if desired. It doesn't set up the usual /usr/include or /usr/lib like other UNIXes used to. It is just plain weird. it's also plain wrong. % ls /usr bin/ lib/ local/ share/ include/ libexec/ sbin/ standalone/ some things are different, but that's the case on any variant of unix. I understand those points, but Apple has gone too far. Is it the Intel arch that is at fault for cyber attacks? I've read some history into different architectures, and some of the earlier designs like Data General had 8 levels or more of security. Of course that was a multi-user setup during times past. Then VMS, as I've read, had 4 levels of separation,... maybe a bit confused on this one. So maybe it could be that Apple is considering the risc based ARM processors for the mac line. |
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Google tracked his bike ride past a burglarized home. That madehim a suspect.
On 3/10/20 10:39 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:21:18 -0600, anonlinuxuser wrote: On 3/9/20 8:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 16:21:36 -0600, anonlinuxuser wrote: Oh, I know what the narrative looked like. But who funded such a large server farm so quickly? Perhaps actually using Google search might provide a useful answer? BTW, nice of you to scatter your conspiratorial rubbish into 5 unrelated newsgroups. The surest sign of success is oversubscription and pollution and judging by your contribution, Usenet is certainly successful. To be precise, I only subscribe to linux advocacy. Looking for some useful information regarding linux. My apologies. I initially traced back the headers in this thread to what I thought was your initial reply to an article by: From: "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" Due to the "anonymous", I managed to confuse your article and the original posting. I also didn't notice that the original posting had the same 5 unrelated newsgroups. Of those, I only subscribe to rec.bicycles.tech. Since the original article involved riding a bicycle, I assumed it originated from rec.bicycles.tech. Such massive cross posting bothers me, thus my comments. I'll try to be more careful and diplomatic in the future. But I used to work for the NSA for a short while... so what you would consider conspiracy, which was something that the CIA invented, was actually true. IIRC, the NSA approached Bill Gates on putting back doors in Windows so that they could spy. What a convenient way. Otherwise, Judge Pennington would have ripped Microsoft to shreds if he didn't. That might be true. All that would be necessary is to leave a few unpatched security issues. Well, maybe more than a few: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/product_id-32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html https://www.cvedetails.com/product/32238/Microsoft-Windows-10.html?vendor_id=26 Hmmm... looks like 2020 disappeared from the database. Who is Judge Pennington? I thought the judge in the US vs Microsoft monopoly trial was Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson: Very good catch. But that is the person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp. As near as I can determine, Microsoft got accused of playing monopoly because the company had not bothered to donate much money to political candidates. The monopoly accusation was suppose to remind MS of its obligation to fund both parties and their candidates. Despite the saber rattling and threats to "breakup" MS, I doubt that the government had any interest in pursuing the issue to trial and inevitable appeal. A wise CEO would simply have caved in, paid off the government extortionists, and continued with business as usual. Bill Gates didn't and against the advice of literally everyone, decided to take on the government. MS lost, but nothing detrimental happened. The only change is that MS started contributing far more to political parties and candidates. I would not be surprised if the NSA didn't use the trial as an opportunity to promote its own interests. Also note that Linus Torvalds was also approached by the NSA. Same thing, but Linus told them to bugger off. Later he said he wasn't approached. Anyway, that line of work was too much for even me to put up with and quit. Notice the jump in contributions around the year before the trial in 2000. https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php?id=D000000115&cycle=2020 Also to say that the whole world at that time was predominantly windows. Making it a whole lot easier to spy. OTW, you don't need boots on the ground to do so. Yep. Any sufficiently complicated collection of hardware and software is indistinguishable from a wire tap. Does that make it easier for you to grok the situation now? Which situation? I replied to your comments which suggested some manner of secret initial funding of Google by government acronyms. Quoting your comments: I don't own any Google devices or software. And who's idea was it to fund in the beginning of Google? One of the three letter agencies. What a better way to spy on the public. Hook n' Crook. (...) Oh, I know what the narrative looked like. But who funded such a large server farm so quickly? Although I can recognize some possibilities, I don't see a conspiracy here. Google's initial funding was about $800,000 from 4 angel investors. A year later, the first round of funding netted $25 million from Kleiner Perkins and Sequoia Capital. One can buy an awful lot of servers and bandwidth for $25 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google#Early_years Before I quit, the bosses were ****ed that the CIA was meddling in there. Not sure what it was really about tho. |
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