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Old November 19th 15, 01:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
B00ze
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

This showed-up on The Register today.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/...ign-a-bad-name

I'm posting this in the 2 groups where Microsoft is aping Apple in UI
design, and why the hell not, in the Android group. It explains way
better than I can what I think of these new flat, undiscoverable user
interfaces Apple is making, with Microsoft and Google following it.
Adobe (with light grey on white unreadable menus on Acrobat DC), and
Even Mozilla, are doing it too. Screw them all; Skeuomorphic design
rocks! Buttons that look like buttons, what a concept!

Some choice bits:

"However, when Apple moved to gestural-based interfaces with the first
iPhone, followed by its tablets, it deliberately and consciously threw
out many of the key Apple principles."

"The legibility of the text is only one of Apple’s many design failures.
Today’s devices lack discoverability: There is no way to discover what
operations are possible just by looking at the screen. So often, the
user has to try touching everything on the screen just to find out what
are actually touchable objects."

"Worse, other companies have followed in Apple’s path, equating design
with appearance while forgetting the fundamental principles of good
design. Google maps becomes more attractive and more confusing with each
iteration. Same with the Android operating system."

"Today’s Apple has eliminated the emphasis on making products
understandable and usable, and instead has imposed a Bauhaus minimalist
design ethic on its products. Unfortunately, visually simple appearance
does not result in ease of use, as the vast literature in academic
journals on human-computer interaction and human factors demonstrates."

"It’s important to note that these principles reflect the needs,
desires, and abilities of human beings, not the machines they use. The
principles are as applicable to today’s interfaces as those of the
1980s, and they will remain applicable until people evolve, a rather
slow process indeed."

"The most important principles largely or completely missing in iOS are
discoverability, feedback, recovery, consistency, and the encouragement
of growth."

"Simply put, discoverability means making actions discoverable — visible
— so that they do not have to be memorized. The menus in the traditional
desktop computers served this purpose well. Labeled icons do as well.
Unlabeled icons most often fail, but the worst culprit of all is the
complete lack of any cue. Note that discoverability no longer appears in
the Apple Guidelines."

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Old November 19th 15, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 19:54:25 -0500, B00ze wrote:

This showed-up on The Register today.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/...ign-a-bad-name

I'm posting this in the 2 groups where Microsoft is aping Apple in UI
design, and why the hell not, in the Android group. It explains way
better than I can what I think of these new flat, undiscoverable user
interfaces Apple is making, with Microsoft and Google following it.
Adobe (with light grey on white unreadable menus on Acrobat DC), and
Even Mozilla, are doing it too. Screw them all; Skeuomorphic design
rocks! Buttons that look like buttons, what a concept!

Some choice bits:

[snip]

+1
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Old November 20th 15, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

B00ze wrote:

This showed-up on The Register today.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/...ign-a-bad-name

I'm posting this in the 2 groups where Microsoft is aping Apple in UI
design, and why the hell not, in the Android group. It explains way
better than I can what I think of these new flat, undiscoverable user
interfaces Apple is making, with Microsoft and Google following it.
Adobe (with light grey on white unreadable menus on Acrobat DC), and
Even Mozilla, are doing it too. Screw them all; Skeuomorphic design
rocks! Buttons that look like buttons, what a concept!

Some choice bits:

"However, when Apple moved to gestural-based interfaces with the first
iPhone, followed by its tablets, it deliberately and consciously threw
out many of the key Apple principles."

"The legibility of the text is only one of Apple’s many design failures.
Today’s devices lack discoverability: There is no way to discover what
operations are possible just by looking at the screen. So often, the
user has to try touching everything on the screen just to find out what
are actually touchable objects."

"Worse, other companies have followed in Apple’s path, equating design
with appearance while forgetting the fundamental principles of good
design. Google maps becomes more attractive and more confusing with each
iteration. Same with the Android operating system."

"Today’s Apple has eliminated the emphasis on making products
understandable and usable, and instead has imposed a Bauhaus minimalist
design ethic on its products. Unfortunately, visually simple appearance
does not result in ease of use, as the vast literature in academic
journals on human-computer interaction and human factors demonstrates."

"It’s important to note that these principles reflect the needs,
desires, and abilities of human beings, not the machines they use. The
principles are as applicable to today’s interfaces as those of the
1980s, and they will remain applicable until people evolve, a rather
slow process indeed."

"The most important principles largely or completely missing in iOS are
discoverability, feedback, recovery, consistency, and the encouragement
of growth."

"Simply put, discoverability means making actions discoverable — visible
— so that they do not have to be memorized. The menus in the traditional
desktop computers served this purpose well. Labeled icons do as well.
Unlabeled icons most often fail, but the worst culprit of all is the
complete lack of any cue. Note that discoverability no longer appears in
the Apple Guidelines."


You should see Xcode. A small almost unrecognizable icon that is hard to
see, yet does necessary things. The whole IDE has been changed so much to
not even be like the older versions. The Xcode mailing list is full of
complaints and still bug reports are being submitted.

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Old November 20th 15, 01:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:11:10 -0500, Wolf K wrote:

a very thin font on white, so thin it looks
grey. Hard to read. Design fail. Irony or what?


Nope: just a case in point :-) . (Evidence, if you will.) Cheers, -- tlvp
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Old November 20th 15, 03:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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On 2015-11-19 10:08, Wolf K wrote:

On 2015-11-18 19:54, B00ze wrote:
This showed-up on The Register today.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/...ign-a-bad-name

[etc]

This is a book worth reading by anyone who wants to understand good deign:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_De...veryday_Things

I have a copy, have read it twice, and reread bits of it from time to
time. I especially like his take on doors and door handles, every time I
see PUSH or PULL I think of the book.

Have a good day,


Lol, I don't have the book, but I can imagine; how many times have I
pushed when I shoulda pulled, even tho it was written on the door what
to do ;-) Love the teapot on the book's cover.

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Old November 20th 15, 03:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
B00ze
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

On 2015-11-19 10:11, Wolf K wrote:

On 2015-11-18 19:54, B00ze wrote:
This showed-up on The Register today.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3053406/...ign-a-bad-name


OK, I went there, and see a very thin font on white, so thin it looks
grey. Hard to read. Design fail. Irony or what?


Ya, if you read the comments on the website you'll notice everyone's
complained about the font, but the authors have not replied. I found it
quite readable, maybe a tiny tiny tiny bit thin, but still quite ok. At
least it's not one of those websites with pop-overs and ads all over the
place...

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Old November 20th 15, 04:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

Wolf K wrote on 11/19/2015 10:00 AM:
On 2015-11-18 19:54, B00ze wrote:
[...]
Worse, other companies have followed in Apple’s path, equating design
with appearance while forgetting the fundamental principles of good
design. [...]


Ergonomics applies to _everything_ that humans use. Not just devices.


"Everything?"

Like language?

Ice Cream?

Remote controls? (yes)

Dildos? (probably)

Paper-written checks?

Hmm. I may be making a case that your argument is so universal as to be
pretty useless.

"Adjectives apply to everything". There ya go.


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Old November 20th 15, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android
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Default How Apple is giving Design a bad name

On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:15:23 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2015-11-19 22:03, Ed Mullen wrote:
Wolf K wrote on 11/19/2015 10:00 AM:
On 2015-11-18 19:54, B00ze wrote:
[...]
Worse, other companies have followed in Apple’s path, equating design
with appearance while forgetting the fundamental principles of good
design. [...]

Ergonomics applies to _everything_ that humans use. Not just devices.


"Everything?"


Yup!

[snip]

Ice Cream?


Ever have the stuff drip all over your fingers when the cone couldn't
hold the Extra Large it was supposedly designed for? ;-)


Some ice cream is very soft. It does not work well when the
bottom scoop is soft and the top scoop is hard. (The ice cream could
fall off the cone.) When I order a double cone, I have the harder
flavour put on the bottom.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 




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