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Old May 12th 18, 04:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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Winfile10 was mentioned in another thread. I've been able to get it to
run under Windows 8.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get XP's version of Windows
Explorer to run under Windows 8?



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Old May 12th 18, 12:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Frank Slootweg
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Ken Springer wrote:
Winfile10 was mentioned in another thread. I've been able to get it to
run under Windows 8.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get XP's version of Windows
Explorer to run under Windows 8?


See Classic Explorer at http://www.classicshell.net.

If you don't have it already, get Classic Start Menu as well. You'll
feel right at home.
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Old May 12th 18, 01:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 5/12/18 5:37 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:
Winfile10 was mentioned in another thread. I've been able to get it to
run under Windows 8.

Does anyone know if it's possible to get XP's version of Windows
Explorer to run under Windows 8?


See Classic Explorer at http://www.classicshell.net.

If you don't have it already, get Classic Start Menu as well. You'll
feel right at home.


Hi, Frank,

I know about Classic Shell, I have it on all my Windows computers except
a netbook that has W7 Starter.

I read in one of the newsgroups that the developer of Classic Shell has
called it quits. Tired of W10. Do not know the veracity of that.


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Old May 13th 18, 11:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mayayana
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"Ken Springer" wrote

| Does anyone know if it's possible to get XP's version of Windows
| Explorer to run under Windows 8?
|

I doubt it, but I'd be interested to hear the results of
your attempt.

IE and Explorer are still tied together. A number of DLLs
used by Explorer are part of IE install. For example,
browseui.dll, wininet.dll, shdocvw.dll, shlwapi.dll.
Shell extensions are also shared. An Explorer Bar is
installed to both Explorer and IE. It's not as much of
a tie-in as it was pre-XP, but they're still tied together.
So the question would be how does XP Explorer react
to being dumped into a different set of DLLs, from a
version of IE that's not supported on XP.


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Old May 14th 18, 02:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 5/13/18 4:28 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote

| Does anyone know if it's possible to get XP's version of Windows
| Explorer to run under Windows 8?
|

I doubt it, but I'd be interested to hear the results of
your attempt.

IE and Explorer are still tied together. A number of DLLs
used by Explorer are part of IE install. For example,
browseui.dll, wininet.dll, shdocvw.dll, shlwapi.dll.
Shell extensions are also shared. An Explorer Bar is
installed to both Explorer and IE. It's not as much of
a tie-in as it was pre-XP, but they're still tied together.
So the question would be how does XP Explorer react
to being dumped into a different set of DLLs, from a
version of IE that's not supported on XP.


I was hoping someone had already tried, but no one has posted anything.

I didn't find anything on the net, either.

I haven't done my research on the exact file name, as of yet, as this is
more a curiosity than anything else.


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Old May 15th 18, 06:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 5/14/2018 9:11 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

I was hoping someone had already tried, but no one has posted anything.

I didn't find anything on the net, either.

I haven't done my research on the exact file name, as of yet, as this is
more a curiosity than anything else.


How about this one?
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/04/10/ru...-file-manager/



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Old May 16th 18, 01:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 5/15/18 11:32 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 5/14/2018 9:11 AM, Ken Springer wrote:

I was hoping someone had already tried, but no one has posted anything.

I didn't find anything on the net, either.

I haven't done my research on the exact file name, as of yet, as this is
more a curiosity than anything else.


How about this one?
https://www.ghacks.net/2018/04/10/ru...-file-manager/


Already installed and running in Windows 8 about a week and a half ago.
In fact, I'll be using it tomorrow in a class on file management.

Like a lot of articles on the web, this one is not very good.
Assumptions made, missing information, etc.

But WinFile is perfect for my needs. LOL The XP Windows Explorer would
also work, just not quite as well. So would the Explorers from 95 and
98. XP is when the eye candy and fluff that's not needed for my
purposes begins to get added and is actually a negative for new/beginner
computer users.

Everyone seems to have forgotten there are always beginners in
computers. And, that's not a good thing. It's rather like expecting
that newborn baby to know algebra and geometry.


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Old May 16th 18, 03:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 5/16/2018 8:45 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Already installed and running in Windows 8 about a week and a half ago.
In fact, I'll be using it tomorrow in a class on file management.

Like a lot of articles on the web, this one is not very good.
Assumptions made, missing information, etc.


Shouldn't you teach your students to adapt to whatever file managers or
explorers they might be *FORCED* to use in the future?

There is no standard regulating user interface design for commonly used
GUI programs. This is good business for irresponsible people to design
new interfaces, moving buttons and changing icons. Oh well... it's just
not black-and-white text.

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Old May 16th 18, 05:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 5/16/18 8:58 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 5/16/2018 8:45 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Already installed and running in Windows 8 about a week and a half ago.
In fact, I'll be using it tomorrow in a class on file management.

Like a lot of articles on the web, this one is not very good.
Assumptions made, missing information, etc.


Shouldn't you teach your students to adapt to whatever file managers or
explorers they might be *FORCED* to use in the future?


NO!!! Grin You can't adapt to something you don't understand. You
start with the basics (add and subtract, then multiply and divide), then
as you learn, you evolve into more sophisticated and powerful tools
(algebra, geometry, eventually quantum physics). After you understand
what is happening, you can choose the file manager that fits you best,
and if you are "forced" to use a certain one, it won't take you long to
adapt to it.

For instance, the Mac's Finder gives you views you don't find in
Windows. But, if you know how things are done for file storage, it
doesn't take you long to realize the two computer systems are basically
the same, it's how the data is being displayed to the user that is
different. After that, if you are moving from Windows to Mac, you'll
find the Finder is not that hard to understand.

WinFile10 is the best "tool/teaching aid" I found for teaching how files
are organized, or should be organized, on your hard drive. That
includes what the hard drive's function is. The visual simplicity is
the key, here.

Sometimes, this perspective is hard to explain, you really have to see
someone struggle with figuring out how to handle files, where they are,
etc. You really have to see it happen.

You may not believe this, but I had a tutoring student a few months ago
that had been using her computer for, I estimate, 5 years and didn't
know how to save a file. Do you really think this person is going to
understand any file manager?

There is no standard regulating user interface design for commonly used
GUI programs. This is good business for irresponsible people to design
new interfaces, moving buttons and changing icons. Oh well... it's just
not black-and-white text.


In some respects, you don't want a hard and fixed design, because no
design works for everyone. And their never will be.

There's a new sound clip going around now, where some people hear the
word Yanni, and some hear Laurel. Try as I might, I only hear Yanni.
Similar to the dress photo that's out there, where some people see blue
and black stripes (me) and others see blue and gold.

WinFile10/File Manager is great for beginners, those are the folks I
usually work with. But, if you really want "power", then something like
Directory Opus is what you need.

You need the right tool for the job at hand, and sometimes Directory
Opus is not the right tool.



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Old May 16th 18, 07:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
mechanic
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On Wed, 16 May 2018 10:55:07 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

[tools] ... I found for teaching how files are organized, or
should be organized, on your hard drive. That includes what the
hard drive's function is.


Organising files is something UNIX users worry about, on Windows
files are incidental to tasks on hand.
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Old May 16th 18, 07:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 5/16/18 12:00 PM, mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2018 10:55:07 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

[tools] ... I found for teaching how files are organized, or
should be organized, on your hard drive. That includes what the
hard drive's function is.


Organising files is something UNIX users worry about, on Windows
files are incidental to tasks on hand.


Respectfully, I have to disagree.

Especially if the judge should want to see it. LOL


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