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Old May 14th 16, 01:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Curious and considering it.
Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig
ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals
for backups and other storage.
On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The
question is would win 10 be the same or better?

Currently running win 10 on 2 other machines that belong to the wife and
she likes it.

I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other"
generation that does not have the ability or want to change. I am not
looking to start a flame war but I have noticed that there has been a
huge drop off in posts on alt.comp.os.windows-8 since 10 came out.
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Old May 14th 16, 01:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/05/2016 01:15, Drew wrote:
Curious and considering it.
Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig
ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals
for backups and other storage.
On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The
question is would win 10 be the same or better?


Bette. I have installed Windows 10 on this machine:

Upgraded MAchine Spec
http://content.screencast.com/users/JT19560819/folders/Jing/media/e6850cf6-d755-4390-a411-572e1268ed73/2016-05-14_0125.png


Currently running win 10 on 2 other machines that belong to the wife
and she likes it.

Fantastic. You'll have more good time with her!

I understand people not wanting to lose win 7


they are idiots.

and also for the "other" generation that does not have the ability or
want to change.


Just ignore them. Treat them like other nutters on your high street.

I am not looking to start a flame war but I have noticed that there
has been a huge drop off in posts on alt.comp.os.windows-8 since 10
came out.


Windows 8 has died long time ago. the only person still using is that
octogenarian by the name of Keith Nutter.


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Old May 14th 16, 01:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Drew wrote:
Curious and considering it.
Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig
ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals
for backups and other storage.
On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The
question is would win 10 be the same or better?

Currently running win 10 on 2 other machines that belong to the wife and
she likes it.

I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other"
generation that does not have the ability or want to change. I am not
looking to start a flame war but I have noticed that there has been a
huge drop off in posts on alt.comp.os.windows-8 since 10 came out.


It'll be "same".

Both Win8 and Win10 reserve cycles for
their own purposes. This is most noticeable
if you benchmark something on Win7 on a dual
core, then test Win8 or Win10 and see how
the benchmark compares. Win8 and Win10 should
be within a hair of one another.

Win10 has a slightly faster program loader,
when under a computing load. If you run
7ZIP with 2x threads as there are
virtual cores, then try to start Firefox,
it takes 60 seconds for Firefox to start
on Win8, and 10 seconds for Firefox to
start on Win10. On WinXP, it takes two or
three seconds to start (unloaded, at least).
Both the program loaded and the Task Manager
on WinXP, are better than anything that comes
afterward. So they would be my "reference point"
for benchmarking. An OS that worked...

*******

I give my standard warning I give someone
interested in testing 500 Linux distros. Back
up the computer. Install something. Test it.
If you don't like it, restore the computer
from backup. This is especially the case,
when setting up multiboot OS drives. I
had three Linux OSes on a drive, and was
aiming to add my fourth, when the fourth OS
erased the other three OSes. And I didn't
have a backup. (Debian did that. Be careful! )

Do not rely on the "reversion" capability
of Win10 installations, to get back to the
Win8.1 qualifying OS. Tiny details will get
missed if you do that. If you make a backup
first, however, everything gets put back
the way you had it.

The other general rule of thumb, is *only*
the disk which is the installation target,
should be connected to the computer during an
OS installation. This applies no matter what
OS is involved. This prevents "accidents" from
happening, where later, unplugging the second
disk seems to magically cause the first
disk to stop booting. If the second disk is
not even present during the installation
phase, it's pretty hard for such "accidents"
to happen.

Paul
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Old May 14th 16, 02:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/13/2016 8:27 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 14/05/2016 01:15, Drew wrote:

I understand people not wanting to lose win 7


they are idiots.


Not if you like using Windows Media Center.


I also installed Win 10 on a Win 7 machine (Dell Inspiron N5110) and it
runs faster with Win 7...and that includes boot times.

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Old May 14th 16, 02:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/05/2016 02:09, Ron wrote:

Not if you like using Windows Media Center.




What is Media Center? How do you use it in business to make profits?
Can a Tax/Accounting practise use it? what about employee
productivity? does it go up or down by using Media Center?




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Old May 14th 16, 05:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Drew wrote in :

Curious and considering it.
Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig
ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals
for backups and other storage.
On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The
question is would win 10 be the same or better?

I am not a fan of some of the new features, but on my system Win10 seems to
run faster than 8.1 did.

My System: AMD A10 5700K four core CPU, 24 GB of RAM (this will probably be
the last PC I build, so I wanted to be ready for anything!), had a 128GB
SSD for boot drive that was very nice till it died one day without warning.
Am leary now of replacing it with another SSD. I have three WD Black 2TB
drives, two in a RAID 1 array and one standalone, plus several other
drives. I have a big honking CPU cooler, and have been able to run two
video transcodes at the same time without raising the CPU temp more than a
degree or two, and without maxing the system. Win10 works for me.
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Old May 14th 16, 06:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/05/2016 8:15 AM, Drew wrote:
I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other"
generation that does not have the ability or want to change....


This belief enable Window$ 7 to be sold at higher prices.

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Old May 14th 16, 08:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Tim wrote:
Drew wrote in :

Curious and considering it.
Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig
ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals
for backups and other storage.
On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The
question is would win 10 be the same or better?

I am not a fan of some of the new features, but on my system Win10 seems to
run faster than 8.1 did.

My System: AMD A10 5700K four core CPU, 24 GB of RAM (this will probably be
the last PC I build, so I wanted to be ready for anything!), had a 128GB
SSD for boot drive that was very nice till it died one day without warning.
Am leary now of replacing it with another SSD. I have three WD Black 2TB
drives, two in a RAID 1 array and one standalone, plus several other
drives. I have a big honking CPU cooler, and have been able to run two
video transcodes at the same time without raising the CPU temp more than a
degree or two, and without maxing the system. Win10 works for me.


There are some benchmarks here, which cover more areas
than I'd be able to cover. What I really want to see,
is this suite run on a dual core processor, because
I feel the dual core highlights the details of the
OSes better.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-...-vs-windows-7/

Tomshardware did a test a while back, where they used a
hex core processor overclocked to 4GHz, and then benchmarked
it. Which tends to swamp out any details of "wasteful-ness"
in any particular OS tested. Their conclusion at the time
is that gameplay wasn't affected by OS used. It's so hard
to find someone willing to test with gutless hardware.
More people own gutless hardware, than own $2000 computers.

Paul
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Old May 14th 16, 10:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/13/16 6:58 PM, Paul wrote:
Do not rely on the "reversion" capability
of Win10 installations, to get back to the
Win8.1 qualifying OS. Tiny details will get
missed if you do that. If you make a backup
first, however, everything gets put back
the way you had it.


+1

I work 9 hr./wk at a PC shop, and we see people bringing in their
systems where the reversion from 10 to X has not gone well.

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Old May 14th 16, 11:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote:
Curious and considering it.
Recent custom build with Intel core 17 4790, 16 gigs of ram, 256 gig
ssd for c:, 2tb drive for docs and such. Also using several externals
for backups and other storage.
On this type of system where 8.1 seems to run well and very fast. The
question is would win 10 be the same or better?

Currently running win 10 on 2 other machines that belong to the wife and
she likes it.

I understand people not wanting to lose win 7 and also for the "other"
generation that does not have the ability or want to change. I am not
looking to start a flame war but I have noticed that there has been a
huge drop off in posts on alt.comp.os.windows-8 since 10 came out.


Actually, I have an I7 5830, 16 GB 500GB SSD and 4TB spinner, homebuilt.
I went from 7 to 8 to 8.1. My first attempt @ Win10 was mess because
Windows was not able to tell "if my computer was ready". 8.1 backup was
restored and I tried the update again...this time w/o any security
software running. The process then was painless.

I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local
account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have
never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the
upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was
right.

D.
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Old May 14th 16, 01:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote:
On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote:



I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local
account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have
never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the
upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was
right.

D.

I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10
in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1.

Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would
like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One
where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of
the current drivers on the computer.

The other option is a clean install.

If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers
for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the
installation and manually install them.

I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading.
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Old May 14th 16, 04:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 5/14/2016 8:30 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote:
On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote:



I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local
account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have
never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the
upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was
right.

D.

I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10
in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1.

Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would
like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One
where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of
the current drivers on the computer.

The other option is a clean install.

If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers
for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the
installation and manually install them.

I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading.



IMHO, t's always better to clean install with a new OS; I upgraded only
with my laptop and that went off without a hitch; so I took the plunge
and did the same with my desktop, but not before updating all my stuff.I
didn't follow my own advice.....;-)

Check the Win10 compatibility thing to see if you have any offensive
hardware; do some google searches to see if other folks had any trouble
with any of your hardware and act accordingly.

Just as an example..we have a older of laptop that I was thinking of
upgrading to Win10; my research told me that the hybrid video setup
nvidia/Intel would be a problem; it could be overcome, but at the
expense of an HDMIport and the inability to ever update the video
drivers. That laptop will be Win7 forever.

If your hardware is relatively new Win10 should find the stuff; clean
install best, but not before doing a backup and gathering the drivers
that you think could cause an issue.
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Old May 14th 16, 04:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote:
On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote:



I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local
account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have
never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the
upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was
right.

D.

I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10
in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1.

Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would
like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One
where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of
the current drivers on the computer.

The other option is a clean install.

If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers
for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the
installation and manually install them.

I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading.


I just installed Win10 here a couple hours ago
(test install), and I went to Device Manager
and asked it to "Update" the driver for a device
in there. It can search online for a driver.
It's only if it cannot find a driver, you
have to dredge for it yourself. For example,
no OS was able to find the driver for my
PCI Express parallel port card. So that will
be extra work, when I get around to it. The
OS is otherwise fully functional.

And the Win10 DVD did install the Basic Display Adapter
for my 7950 video card (a card with no Win10 driver).
That's the fallback driver, when no manufacturer driver
is available. An attempt to search for a driver, of
course it failed. The Win10 screen in this case, will
be staying at 1024x768, as that is all the
Basic Display Adapter offers for resolution.
Even if your screen is 1920x1080, it runs
at 1024x768 (ugly).

Paul
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Old May 14th 16, 04:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 05/14/2016 08:30 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote:
On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote:



I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local
account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have
never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the
upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was
right.

D.

I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10
in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1.

Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would
like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One
where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of
the current drivers on the computer.

The other option is a clean install.

If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers
for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the
installation and manually install them.

I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading.

As with all new OSs, they usually have a better set of drivers and cover
a better set of hardware. BUT... I'd make sure I had all my unique
drivers before starting, you just never know.

Doing a clean install is never going to be minimal, but I understand
your comment. I got a laugh outta that one. Kinda like saying I want
to go from LA to SF along rt 1 coastal scenic route but I want to take
the fastest way. ... Just ribbing you, the devil made me do it!


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Old May 14th 16, 06:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , says...

Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 5/14/2016 6:20 AM, DMP wrote:
On 5/13/2016 8:15 PM, Drew wrote:



I find bootup and shutdown much faster, however, I am using a local
account with most of its enhancements that phone home turned off. I have
never had the PC crash and the OS has run flawlessly. I don't think the
upgrade was necessary and would have stayed with 8.1 but the price was
right.

D.

I have a fully updated Windows 8.1 computer. I upgraded to Windows 10
in the weeks after it came out, but reverted to Windows 8.1.

Now after many of the bugs have been worked out of Windows 10 I would
like to try again. As I understand there are two ways to upgrade. One
where Windows 10 installs over Windows 8.1, this would preserve all of
the current drivers on the computer.

The other option is a clean install.

If I go for a clean install, will the installer find the proper drivers
for my computer, or will I have to locate them all as part of the
installation and manually install them.

I want to spend the minimal time in upgrading.


I just installed Win10 here a couple hours ago
(test install), and I went to Device Manager
and asked it to "Update" the driver for a device
in there. It can search online for a driver.
It's only if it cannot find a driver, you
have to dredge for it yourself. For example,
no OS was able to find the driver for my
PCI Express parallel port card. So that will
be extra work, when I get around to it. The
OS is otherwise fully functional.

And the Win10 DVD did install the Basic Display Adapter
for my 7950 video card (a card with no Win10 driver).
That's the fallback driver, when no manufacturer driver
is available. An attempt to search for a driver, of
course it failed. The Win10 screen in this case, will
be staying at 1024x768, as that is all the
Basic Display Adapter offers for resolution.
Even if your screen is 1920x1080, it runs
at 1024x768 (ugly).


That's my problem with two different pcs more than capable of running
Win10 EXCEPT for video. One's a nVidia 6800 the other an ATI 4650.
Neither company appears to plan on providing any updated driver for
either video card.

I am NOT going to buy a new video card just for an OS, especially when
they run all the games I want to play just fine as is. I also don't want
to loose multi-monitor setup on one and a functioning composite TV-OUT
to a TV on the other. Both cases I assume would not work after upgrade.
 




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