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  #61  
Old October 1st 18, 10:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 18:35:18 +0100, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:55:29 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 09/30/2018 12:58 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[snip]

When a toner costs as much as a whole inkjet, no way. Then you have
fuser, drum, .....


A Toner cartridge lasts a lot longer than an ink cartridge, and it
doesn't dry out which it the cause of much waste. For those other parts,
it could be years before you need a new one.




Yes. As a general rule, ink-jets are less expensive to buy than laser
printers, but they cost more per page to operate. In the long run,
most people are financially ahead with a laser printer.


No, because you can't buy cheaper toner. Toner is inherently expensive, even if you refill them yourself.

Ink-jets have often been compared with Gillette razors. Gillette
sometimes gave away the razors, but made their money selling blades
for it.

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Old October 1st 18, 10:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/10/2018 22:18, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

No, because you can't buy cheaper toner. Toner is inherently
expensive, even if you refill them yourself.


You can buy clones for certain HP Laserjet. I use CP2025
https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-color-laserjet-cp2025-printer-series/3673580/model/3673581.

I can buy clone toners for around £60 as opposed to £250. These can
lasts me for years! I haven't replaced a toner for nearly 4 years. I am
fortunate to have access to so many printers at work that I rarely need
to use my home printer. See this pictu

https://i.imgur.com/t87irQF.png https://i.imgur.com/t87irQF.png



Ink-jets have often been compared with Gillette razors. Gillette
sometimes gave away the razors, but made their money selling blades
for it.



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Old October 1st 18, 11:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 22:46:57 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 01/10/2018 22:18, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

No, because you can't buy cheaper toner. Toner is inherently
expensive, even if you refill them yourself.


You can buy clones for certain HP Laserjet. I use CP2025
https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-color-laserjet-cp2025-printer-series/3673580/model/3673581.

I can buy clone toners for around £60 as opposed to £250.


Funny, I've always paid about £30 for a clone and £40 for a genuine HP. I mean singles, not sets of colours.

These can
lasts me for years! I haven't replaced a toner for nearly 4 years. I am
fortunate to have access to so many printers at work that I rarely need
to use my home printer. See this pictu

https://i.imgur.com/t87irQF.png https://i.imgur.com/t87irQF.png


So you're not really using your printer much then.
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Old October 1st 18, 11:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:25:32 +0100, Wolf K wrote:

On 2018-10-01 02:58, Martin Edwards wrote:
On 9/30/2018 8:12 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

[...]
It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.

Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.

[More ranting deleted.]

I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).

Presumably if it was a monochrome photo, the printer would reproduce it
even if it did use colour ink.


Yes, but it will have a colour cast. Even when setting properties to
grey-scale there may be a colour cast, because the paper also affects
the final result. IME, the colour cast may take a day or two to appear.

All things considered, it's amazing we get the generally high quality


I told it to print in GREY. There is no need whatsoever to use any colour at all.
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Old October 1st 18, 11:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 16:00:12 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

Buying almost any laser printer is the better choice.

not necessarily. for photos, it's a much worse choice.


My current Brother laser printer won't print photos on glossy paper, but
it does a decent job on plain paper.


it's not as good as what an inkjet can do, even if it's not a photo
quality inkjet printer.


Trouble is inkjets like to make stripes.
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Old October 1st 18, 11:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:24:17 +0100, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 09/30/2018 11:41 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies, they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece of paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for
ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the
cartridge back and forth for no reason before they get to work!


I now have an Epson inkjet that refuses to print anything black (colors
are all OK), even after several cleanings and a new black cartridge.

A new printer probably can't use the same cartridges, so more waste.

Mostly I use the laser, which never has ink clogs.


I replaced my last Epson with a 2nd hand one so I could keep the same ink system.
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Old October 1st 18, 11:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 13:58:37 +0100, Mathedman wrote:

On 9/30/2018 12:17 PM, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 30/09/2018 17:41, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?


Because they all have their own mind and can do whatever they want to
do. Usage of printers is diminishing by the day because there is no
need to print things these days.


HUH?? Not true. For example, financial accounts .
While I can see them daily. For tx and other
purposes I want a paper record.


I don't see the need for that.
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Old October 2nd 18, 12:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:05:10 +0100, Martin Edwards wrote:

On 9/30/2018 6:34 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:17:22 +0100, 😉 Good Guy 😉
wrote:

On 30/09/2018 17:41, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you tell
them to?

Because they all have their own mind and can do whatever they want to
do. Usage of printers is diminishing by the day because there is no
need to print things these days.


You actually believe in the paperless society? It doesn't exist.

It's like our resident thief by the name of Johnson or Chris or
WhetherMan who can steal any applications they want but corporations can
only sue them if they can find them; They can't hire a hitman to finish
them off once and for all.

The "MeToo" movement is destroying good powerful man because they can do
whatever they want; This woman called Christine Blasey Ford made
millions by accusing somebody who may or may not have done anything to
her. She claims to be a professor but with a voice like that, I doubt
if her students can learn anything from her. she is a bore as far as
I'm concerned. she was a good actor I'll have to say that but terrible
voice for an actor.


You seem to have wondered off to something nothing to do with printing.


If you are trolling, you have hooked a few. Well done.


I never troll, although many think I do just because I disagree with their opinions.
  #69  
Old October 2nd 18, 12:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:59:41 +0100, Martin Edwards wrote:

On 9/30/2018 8:36 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:12:12 +0100, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam
wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what
you tell them to? They forget you want landscape, they
forget the number of copies, they refuse to cancel a job
you've sent, they try to use colour ink for a black and white
image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the ink cartridges are stupidly small, and they ****
about for ten minutes doing god knows what, spinning the
roller and moving the cartridge back and forth for no reason
before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they
use their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.

Nope, for every print job, you get the chance to correctly set the
properties of the print operation and the properties of the printer. The
software/printer can not help it if *you* fsck things up.


The trouble is sometimes it remembers some of the things I set last
time, and some not, and it's not predictable. Just because I printed a
photograph in landscape yesterday, why the **** does it think I want to
print my shopping list that way round?

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait
5 minutes?!

more user error.

No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it
just stop? the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it
goes away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!

It won't stop right away, because print jobs are 'buffered' (spooled)
and most printers themselves are also buffered.


And the computer should tell the printer to halt immediately I cancel
the job.

When the printer is switched off, the print job is canceled *and*
deleted and the printer switched back on, the printer will *not* "print
more of it the next day".


My last printer, I could switch the printer off and that would be it,
this one I have to cancel the job aswell! The two devices are
connected, I shouldn't have to give the same instruction twice.

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet
can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.

It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used
colour ink.

Because you didn't set the print *properties* to print in grayscale.
The print(er software) will just do wat you *tell* it to do, which was
to print in colour. Unless you bought the expensive model, your printer
(software) doesn't come with a crystal ball.


Why would it need a crystal ball to see that it was being given
instructions to print a bunch of grey dots?

[More ranting deleted.]

I hope you feel better after your nonsensical rant(s).


I was hoping for some intelligent conversation, but I've ended up with a
couple of infantile ****wits.


See some posts from Uncle Sam's other island which should come in above.


Who?
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Old October 2nd 18, 12:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:57:07 +0100, Martin Edwards wrote:

On 9/30/2018 7:51 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:20:52 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you
tell
them
to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for
a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed
a piece
of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five
minutes, the
ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten
minutes doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge
back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.

I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use
their
printer.

settings are saved between jobs,

Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x
means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer,
tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5 minutes?!

more user error.


No, clearly telling a device to stop is very simple. Why can't it just
stop? the printer queue leaves it in there for a minute, or it goes
away, yet the printer prints more of it the next day!

ink use is whatever the user chooses,

Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet
can I?

i was referring to this:
they try to use colour ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer

that is false.


It isn't. I converted a photo to greyscale, and the printer used colour
ink.

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.

All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to
pick up
one sheet with your fingers without licking them.

you're trolling, and not doing a very good job of it either.


What part of what I just said do you not believe? Take a fresh ream of
paper and try to pick up one at a time with your fingers, without
licking them.


I often do it, but this is England so maybe the paper is thicker.


This is Scotland probably the same paper. There's a choice of thicknesses.
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Old October 2nd 18, 12:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 07:55:55 +0100, Martin Edwards wrote:

On 9/30/2018 7:00 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:41:29 +0100, nospam wrote:

In article , Jimmy Wilkinson
Knife wrote:

Why is it, that in the 21st century, printers never do what you
tell them
to? They forget you want landscape, they forget the number of
copies,
they refuse to cancel a job you've sent, they try to use colour
ink for a
black and white image and take 5 times longer, they can't feed a
piece of
paper without jamming it, the nozzles clog up every five minutes,
the ink
cartridges are stupidly small, and they **** about for ten minutes
doing
god knows what, spinning the roller and moving the cartridge back and
forth for no reason before they get to work!

oh ! user error

How is any of that user error?

because it doesn't happen to just about everyone else.


I don't know anyone who hasn't been annoyed 50% of the time they use
their printer.

settings are saved between jobs,


Well they try to. Then you get stupid things like 100 copies of
document x means you must want 100 copies of document y.

And cancelling a job is almost impossible, you have to turn off the
printer, tell the computer to cancel it, then for some reason wait 5
minutes?!

ink use is whatever the user chooses,


Really? So I can just insert a sensible sized tank into my inkjet can I?

there is no delay in printing, and paper jams are *very* rare, usually
the fault of improperly loading the tray.


All printers are **** at loading paper, mind you it's pretty hard to
pick up one sheet with your fingers without licking them.


My loader is upright. At first it did not work because I shoved the
paper in too far. I learned to just drop it in, but chck that it had
made contact.


I thought that was obvious.
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Old October 2nd 18, 12:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:31:53 +0100, rp wrote:

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:36:13 +0100, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

The trouble is sometimes it remembers some of the things I set last time, and some not, and it's not predictable.


It is predictable once you work out which applications remember the
last settings and which ones always load the default settings. It has
nothing to do with the printer.


And you remember all that how?
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Old October 2nd 18, 12:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:46:23 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:32:52 +0100, "NY" wrote:

Here's an interesting think I've noticed. I used to use the manufacturer's
own ink tanks, and had great problems with the ink drying up - to the extend
that I set an alarm on my phone to remind me to print a test page every week
to keep the ink flowing.


I'm currently in between laser printers, having dragged out a 15 year
old Epson inkjet, and to address what you describe above I created a
task in the scheduler to print a sheet every week, on Monday morning at
10:00AM. So far, so good. No dried up cartridges in about 9-10 months,
but I really need to get back to the good life (color laser).


By the way, are laser toners light fast? I have
been downloading a few artworks & either printing
them out on my laser color printer (FujiXerox
CP405d) or printing the A3 version in the local
computer shop.
The quality of the FujiXerox is very good, though
the long-lasting cartridges cost about $440.
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Old October 2nd 18, 01:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Wolf K
wrote:


Inkjets is basically dots. Modern inkjets lay down extremely small dots,
which diffuse a bit (depends on the paper). The diffusion helps create a
more or less continuous tone, good enough that on smallish prints (up to
about full page size) we get "photo quality", that is, dots of the same
size range as the grain in film and photographic papers.


inkjet dots are smaller than film grain and what the eye can resolve
without diffusion. prints can be *better* than 'photo quality' and at
any size. the image (or user) is usually the limiting factor, not the
printer.
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Old October 2nd 18, 01:59 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:38:41 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

By the way, are laser toners light fast? I have
been downloading a few artworks & either printing
them out on my laser color printer (FujiXerox
CP405d) or printing the A3 version in the local
computer shop.
The quality of the FujiXerox is very good, though
the long-lasting cartridges cost about $440.


I have no idea. Hopefully, someone else will chime in.

 




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