Mozilla Problems

Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:58:49 -0700, freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

You're barking on the wrong tree. Firefox is not the one that is junk. It's
the sites' scripts. Most web developers want to please their visitors, so
they made their sites with full of whistle and bells. That is good. But they
ignore whether their visitors' browser is enough to handle those extra crap.
Most don't provide any fallback to a simpler, lighter version of the site if
the browser is not capable enough.

But freezing when using usenet? Looks like it's a browser addon problem.

freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

Vivaldi 2.0 is out. Win7 or later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)

For a newsreader, there are some crusty ones, but there
is also the commercial Forte Agent. Agent is a three-pane
tool that's had a consistent interface for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...et_newsreaders

Version 3.3 was available free (as Free Agent), but Forte
has gone out of their way to hunt down copies and remove
them (archive.org used to have a copy). What I don't know,
is whether that version of Agent has support for encrypted
sessions (TLS transport). Version 3.3 is probably too old
for something like that.

There are other options, but nothing are refined as
Thunderbird or Agent. Some mail tools pretend to do
USENET as well, but that doesn't always end well.

*******

Since both Firefox and Seamonkey are acting up at the same
time, I would suspect some sort of attack. Maybe the prefs.js
on both browsers has had lines added to it, to exploit it.
Normally, I'd suggest adwcleaner, except it has a new owner,
and the previous conscientious individual updating it,
is probably out of the picture.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/

Adwcleaner is now owned by Malwarebytes. What is
Adwcleaner bundled with ? Maybe someone else knows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malwarebytes

Firefox 52ESR is the last for WinXP, while Win7
can probably use a Firefox in the 60's ("Quantum").
So the situation on the two installs isn't identical.
The WinXP copy of Firefox could have quite a different
set of plugins or addons installed on it, than the
Win7 one.

Seamonkey still runs on everything, but... it's
probably based on 52ESR, and the days of using
Seamonkey on WinXP are just about done.

Paul

freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Which version and what sites? Have tried the usual of clearing
caches/history/etc running in Safe Mode and/or removing any add ons?

On 2018-10-23 1:58 a.m., freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

You can always use Brave which is developed by the guy who originally
created Mozilla (Brendan Eich). He was kicked out of Mozilla for
donating to an organization which believed in traditional families
(unthinkable in this day and age where dressing up as a dog for sexual
gratification is normal).

There is also Vivaldi which uses the same base as Chrome but has none of
Google's spyware in it.

--
SilverSlimer

SilverSlimer wrote:
On 2018-10-23 1:58 a.m., freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

You can always use Brave which is developed by the guy who originally
created Mozilla (Brendan Eich). He was kicked out of Mozilla for
donating to an organization which believed in traditional families
(unthinkable in this day and age where dressing up as a dog for sexual
gratification is normal).

There is also Vivaldi which uses the same base as Chrome but has none of
Google's spyware in it.



Just downloaded Bravo. Nice but it has problems with torrents.

"freemantle" wrote

| Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.
|
| This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
| Latest version for both OS.
|
| The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
| I have to use another program to kill FireFox.
|

I've never seen that happen with either FF or
Pale Moon. Maybe you can provide links to specific
problem webpages. Also, any extensions or plugins
could affect it.

| If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !
|

The Mozilla groups are mainly run by one Chris Ilias,
who controls it and moderates. He blocks anything
critical. At best you'll be told to post in the "general"
group, which gets no traffic and is mostly just a
junk collector.
I visited the Mozilla groups for awhile but finally
gave up because of the extreme censorship that
blocks even constructive criticism from ever getting
posted. It's a fan club, not a discussion.

That's the nice thing about newsgroups. I find it
odd that more people don't use public newsgroups. They
let Facebook control their lives. They let Reddit require
membership and "vote" their posts up or down. And
in the Mozilla group or Microsoft forums it's similar:
Privately owned, quasi-marketing forums that filter
minority opinions. Yet people somehow prefer that
humiliation to the "public square" of usenet.

| Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

I usually check out anything new I hear about.
So far I haven't come across anything promising.
Awhile back this topic came up and I tried one
of the supposedly clean Chrome clones. It tried
to call home. When that was blocked it tried to
call Google. Even SRWare Iron is not clean. I
wouldn't trust anything based on the original
Chromium.

Pale Moon is a lighter version of Firefox. K-Meleon.
also a FF variant, used to be good but has been
neglected for a long time now.

Whatever you use at this point will be some
variant of either Mozilla Firefox or WebKit/Chrome.

If I were you I'd be looking closer at the exact
cause of the freezes. I doubt FF is the culprit.
You might also consider installing the NoScript
extension if you don't already have it. That can not
only help with privacy and security but also greatly
reduce the compexity of pages you visit. Though I'm
not sure about whether it still works in the newer FF
versions. Recent versions now block older extensions
and many of the good ones no longr work.

It's an awkard situation all around. People increasingly
think of the Internet as a shopping mall and
entertainment venue. That means commercialism. That
leads to complex webpage code and lots of spying.
A few years ago, a webpage of 100 KB was too big
to be usable. More recently pages have been 2-3 MB
when all the javascript is counted. Now it's going even
more out of control, with pages of 20 MB not unusual.
Companies can often charge for ads if they autorun
videos, so you can end up with a half dozen videos
playing on a page.

Webpages have become complex software programs
that the browser must compile and run almost instantly.
Browsers are now required to be amazingly fast
and complex programs. It used to be they only had
to calculate the layout of webpage elements. That
was already incredibly complex. These days the
browser is expected to do the same thing from
moment to moment, with webpages that are constantly
changing.

Making matters
worse, most of the people making these software webpages
have no idea what they're doing. They link to javascript
libraries and then go online and collect snippets of
javascript code to add snazzy features to their webpages.
*The webmasters, for the most part, don't understand
the code in the own webpages. They have no inkling
of how it works or even whether it's safe. Much of it isn't.*

But you can simplify things a lot if you use a HOSTS
file to block unnecessary 3rd-parties and either block
javascript or use something like NoScript to reduce it.
If you use NoScript you'll see that most commercial
sites are pulling in script from numerous external
sources. They hand you off to trackers and advertisers,
who hand you off to still more trackers and advertisers.
It gets very complicated. And the browser can stall if
even one of those remote sources doesn't respond quickly.
Yet most webpages that require script will work fine
if you allow only the script that's actually coming from
that domain.

Example: The other day I needed to check
flight status at American Airlines. Like most big sites
these days, their page is a bloated mess of unnecessary
script that's completely, unnecessarily broken if script
is not enabled. Yet the page worked fine when I enabled
only the aa.com script and blocked all others. What others?
openx.net, an advertising company, and tiqcdn.com,
a spyware company. Why do I need to be tracked to
check a flight? What are they doing trying to show
me ads? I'm their customer already! If I allowed those
scripts then NoScript would probably show me 4-6 new
sites that wanted to run script.

Long story short, if you put some time into restricting
webpages through HOSTS and script blockers then
you can get much improved security and privacy while
also getting a more stable browser. I rarely see ads and
I rarely visit webpages that don't load almost instantly.
I also almost never see cartoons, slideshows, popups,
or other distracting movement on pages.

These days you
shouldn't allow websites to run script uncontrolled, any
more than you should allow sites to download and run
software on your computer. Because that's exactly what
they're doing. You're not visiting a website. You're
downloading a large, complex software program written
by some kid just out of college who has no understanding
of how that webpage works. He created it using a webpages-
for-dummies program. When he's not on his power
skateboard, going to buy bottled water or a decaf latte,
he's busy chatting with his cohorts, collecting ideas and
links to code and gadgets that will increase the "wow
factor" of his webpage. If any of those gadgets makes
his page hackable and leaves you vulnerable, he'll
probably never know. That's not his job, man.

On 10/23/2018 12:58 AM, freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

Chrome is malware! It also does tracking info for Google.
I unfortunately got it for "free" with some small freeware software.
(apparently google bought up all those little applets
that used to bee free-ware or share-ware.
I've tried everything I know to try and could/can not get it all removed

"Mayayana" on Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:17:36
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

That's the nice thing about newsgroups. I find it
odd that more people don't use public newsgroups. They
let Facebook control their lives. They let Reddit require
membership and "vote" their posts up or down. And
in the Mozilla group or Microsoft forums it's similar:
Privately owned, quasi-marketing forums that filter
minority opinions. Yet people somehow prefer that
humiliation to the "public square" of usenet.

I suspect that far too many have no idea that Usenet even exists,
let alone know what it is, or how to access it.


--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On 10/23/2018 1:58 AM, freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?
I have used Firefox since it the days of Netscape. I have never had a
problem like you describe.

What version of FireFox are you running. there are some version of
Firefox that are no longer supported on the obsolete Windows XP. There
may be difference in the verso of Firefox that you are running on the XP
machine and the Windows 7 machine.

Are you using the latest version of the extension and plugins?

As suggested in other post, does this problem occur on several URL's or
just specific URL'S

Have you gone to Help; Troubleshooting?

Is there any Warnings?

From there you can restart with the addons disabled, and see if the
problem exist with no addons.

Also you can try to refresh Firefox. Doing this you may have to
reinstall some extensions.

From experience it probably will take as long to troubleshoot Firefox,
as it takes to find a different browser, install it, learn how to use
it, and customize it.


--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 03:08:58 -0400, Paul wrote:

For a newsreader, there are some crusty ones, but there
is also the commercial Forte Agent. Agent is a three-pane
tool that's had a consistent interface for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...et_newsreaders

Version 3.3 was available free (as Free Agent), but Forte
has gone out of their way to hunt down copies and remove
them (archive.org used to have a copy).

Old versions are easy to find on the Forte site, including v3.3.

Go to http://www.forteinc.com, scroll to the bottom of the page and
click Download, then on that page look for Additional Resources. In that
section, look for "Go here to Download Older Versions of Agent". Click
the link, which points to http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download-all.php

I think that link location hasn't changed in nearly 20 years.

What I don't know,
is whether that version of Agent has support for encrypted
sessions (TLS transport). Version 3.3 is probably too old
for something like that.

I use Agent 2.0 so if I needed SSL/TLS support, (which I don't), I'd use
Stunnel as a front end (proxy). I'm not sure what v3.3 supports.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

That's the nice thing about newsgroups. I find it
odd that more people don't use public newsgroups.

usenet doesn't get the traffic that web forums do, other than spam,
which web forums block or remove.

They
let Facebook control their lives.

no they don't.

They let Reddit require
membership

usenet requires a membership with a usenet provider.

and "vote" their posts up or down.

that's one of the best parts, which makes it easier to sort through the
crap and find the helpful posts. many web forums do that.

And
in the Mozilla group or Microsoft forums it's similar:
Privately owned, quasi-marketing forums that filter
minority opinions.

create your own forum and filter as you see fit.

Yet people somehow prefer that
humiliation to the "public square" of usenet.

the 'public square' is why usenet is overrun with spam.

SilverSlimer wrote:

On 2018-10-23 1:58 a.m., freemantle wrote:
Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !
I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

Junk !

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

Can't they write code ?

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

You can always use Brave which is developed by the guy who originally
created Mozilla (Brendan Eich). He was kicked out of Mozilla for
donating to an organization which believed in traditional families
(unthinkable in this day and age where dressing up as a dog for sexual
gratification is normal).

A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but
deliberately lets paying advertisers get through. Guess Eich wasn't
making enough money at Mozilla, so he came up with a revenue-generating
model for a web browser. He also jumped ships moving from Gecko/Quantum
(Firefox) to Blink (Chromium).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_...ical_reception
https://arstechnica.com/information-...ds-by-default/

Only if Brave lets you disable its own adblocker and install a 3rd party
extension for adblocking that YOU can configure as to what it blocks
would I bother trialing it. I see a few extensions listed at
https://brave.com/features/. Are others allowed?

https://brave.com/loading-chrome-extensions-in-brave/

Hmm, guess you can use Chrom(e|ium) extensions in Brave. But can you
disable Brave's own ad-allowing, er, adblocking function to rely solely
on your choice of an adblocker extension?

There is also Vivaldi which uses the same base as Chrome but has none of
Google's spyware in it.

So, your suggesting is to move from Firefox or any of its variants to
Chromium or one of those variants.

freemantle wrote:

Firefox locks up where Chrome (I do not like Chrome) does not.

This happens on a Win XP Pro and a Windows 7 PC.
Latest version for both OS.

The red form close [X] only gives a box that DOES NOT CLOSE Firefox !

Before Firefox exits, it first has to exit all extensions that it loaded
(that you installed and are enabled). So, what happens when you disable
all extensions, exit Firefox, reload it, and then test if it unloads
okay?

Have you tried disabling whatever anti-virus or other security software
you installed? Web browsers are the biggest infection vector (and so is
e-mail), so you want to disable it only temporarily while visiting only
known safe sites.

I have to use another program to kill FireFox.

You can use Task Manager. Or create a shortcut that runs:

taskkill.exe /im firefox.exe /f

By the way, if you choose to visit web sites whose pages are not just
riddled with Javascript (for dynamic content) but keep it looping then
those pages can keep the browser so busy that your interaction with the
web browser gets delayed so long that the browser looks hung. Don't
visit those sites, or use an ad/content blocker to disconnect the
delivered web page from all those script sources often which are ads.

Junk !

Seems more likely your particular configuration of Firefox, other
software you are running on your computer at the time, or your choice of
where you visit on the Web.

Then Seamonkey turns into a SLUG !

I don't use that program. From what I've read, looks like Seamonkey
decided to stick with the legacy XUL/XCOM interface for extensions
(which had security issues, like one extension reading data for another
extension or even altering the configuration of another extension).

I don't use combination clients. If you've been in Usenet for awhile,
you'll see where someone composed a message intending to send it to a
specific person via e-mail but instead posted it publicly in Usenet.
Although I use a client that can do both e-mail and newsgroups, I do not
configure anything within it to do e-mail.

Can't they write code ?

Since Seamonkey decided to continue supporting legacy extensions, they
cannot fork from the Firefox project. While Mozilla improved Firefox a
lot regarding performance, many enhancements were made after version 52
(the Quantum releases) which Seamonkey cannot take advantage.

If I try to post on Mozilla they block this post !

"Post on Mozilla" doesn't say ANYTHING about where you are posting, or
for newsgroups into which newsgroup. The Firefox newsgroup is moderated
by Chris Ilias and he does a very poor job of being there (to take care
of the approvals of submissions) plus it is primarily an e-mailing list,
not NNTP - they use an e-mail server with an NNTP gateway but any errors
in e-mail don't get reported back to the NNTP poster. It's a crappy
setup and Ilias is a crappy moderator. Only 15% of my posts ever show
up in mozilla.support.firefox (if that's the newsgroup you used).

Any solutions, like a better free browser and newsgroup reader ?

You have something screwed up in your config of Firefox. I'm on Windows
7 and have no problems with it. Back before its Quantum days,
extensions often sucked. Authors didn't check for conflicts with other
extensions that performed overlapping functions, many got abandoned (and
another reason Mozilla changed to WebExtensions to shake off all the
abandonware), and many caused problems which can still happen with
WebExtensions. You need to test with a clean Firefox to test its exit,
and that means disabling or uninstalling the extensions and then reload
Firefox again to see if it exits okay without all those extensions.

For Usenet, there has been very little change in its specifications for
well over a decade. Even ancient NNTP clients work very well. I use
40tude Dialog (which was abandoned back in 2005) but the primary reason
I used it is that I was able to customize it using macros regarding its
events, behaviors, and toolbars. There's an ancient free 2.x version
(or maybe it was 3.3) of Forte Agent that is still being used (newer
versions became payware).

Not everything (web, email, newsgroups) needs to get rolled into one
client. Handyman of several trades means less than stellar expertise in
any one trade. Not all ancient clients are useless. NNTP has changed
little, so old newsreaders work just fine. Unless you need to use a
proprietary protocol (Microsoft's Exchange or Google's mail API) and
just need POP, IMAP, or SMTP for e-mail, then old e-mail clients still
work very well (um, except regarding secured connections which many
servers requires SSL 3.0 or TLS 2.0, or later).

In article , VanguardLH
wrote:

A dislike of Brave is that its author has an inbuilt adblocker but
deliberately lets paying advertisers get through.

that's not how it works.

https://brave.com/faq/#allowing-ads
Ads and trackers are blocked by default. You can allow ads and
trackers in the preferences panel. Later, as mentioned above, Brave
will let you opt into receiving a reduced ad load that comes without
trackers, maintains your privacy and helps support the publishers you
like.