Why would I want to pre "register" Windows 10 anyway?

I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?

On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?

It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

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Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?

It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th).
Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for
downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th.
In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is
diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity.

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...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2015-06-01 8:43 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?

It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th).
Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for
downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th.
In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is
diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity.

Thanks for the information as well as the informative post you made
right before this one.


--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)

On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 20:43:08 -0400, ". . .winston"
wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-01 5:01 PM, Werner Obermeier wrote:
I just read that Windows 10 will be available for free for one
year starting from July 29th for Windows 7sp1 and Windows 8.1
owners.

Microsoft desperately wants you to pre register. Why?

Why does it matter if you pre-register or if you don't bother
to register at all?

It's not hardware, like an iPad. It's software. They can source
millions on the same day (they must have decent servers).

So, why bother to "pre register" software?

Is it just a marketing gimmick to add perceived value?

It might be that those who registered will get priority access to the
operating system before those who haven't. For instance, you'd be able
to download it on July 22nd rather than July 26th. Of course, I'm just
assuming.

The date for first availability is July 29, 2015 (not 22nd or 26th).
Reserving via the Get Windows 10 app places the user in a queue for
downloading. (i.e. not everyone will be able to download on July 29th.
In fact the reservation could take preference until the queue is
diminished to a MSFT acceptable quantity.


Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month
or two and let the early adopter find all the problems.

Ashton Crusher wrote:

Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month
or two and let the early adopter find all the problems.

*Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview.

If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what
you're getting for the money.

Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny",
is not a reason...

Letting the early adopters test it, in lieu of
running Win10 Preview now, will give at least
some warnings and help you better prepare. I'm
sure there will be some funny and tragic tales.

Like the individuals who still don't know what
a backup is, and refuse to use one before the
upgrade. I'm sure there'll be at least one
"someone help me, I lost my Windows 7!" story.

We still don't know what policy will be in place
a year from now, with regard to 10.x. Maybe financially,
jumping off the older OSes just isn't worth it. If this
is such a big win for the users, then it should be easy
to describe the future policy for all to see. And we're
still being kept in the dark.

I can wait...

Paul

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:


Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny",
is not a reason...

I agree, but I would make a simple change to that statement:

Going from 7 -- 10 because "oooh shiny", is not a reason...

The date is really irrelevant, IMHO.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:51:02 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ashton Crusher wrote:

Seems like it would be better for the average person to wait a month
or two and let the early adopter find all the problems.

*Especially* if you haven't been testing the Win10 Preview.

If you've been testing the Preview, then you know what
you're getting for the money.

Going from 7 -- 10 on August 1st because "oooh shiny",
is not a reason...


I had Win 8 for a while and went back to 7, not because of a win8
problem but because of computer changes. But while I had 8 installed,
which was for about a month, after the first few days I didn't have
any problem with Win8 and actually liked a few things about it better
then 7. I did not like the "look and feel" of it however. It's
"Windows" compared to the refined look of Win7 "windows", where clunky
and ill proportioned. Has Win10 improved aesthetically at all
compared to Win8 or do the still use those horrible blocky, no
transparency window borders with the ill fitting fonts?

In addition to the other reasons people have listed,
Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the
idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe
to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's
their services device. Some people will like the new
approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that
for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has
been a hard sell.

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.

If you sign
up then MS gets your email address and personal info.
You become one of their spied-on services customers.
But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up
when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have
to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer
as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your
permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from
then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you
need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special
offers".
You won't even be able to choose about whether to
have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10
services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual
transition from selling to renting and from software to
services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to
pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop
in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your
Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they
saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through
iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive
audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive
audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed
they need to get people used to the idea that while you
might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi
service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed:
someone who thanks them for exploiting you.

On 2015-06-01 5:40 PM, Mayayana wrote:
In addition to the other reasons people have listed,
Microsoft desperately want to get you used to the
idea that the whole thing is a service that you subscribe
to and that they provide. It's not your PC anymore. It's
their services device. Some people will like the new
approach, but the Microsofties know perfectly well that
for most people it will be a hard sell, just as Metro has
been a hard sell.

Lie, no evidence cited.

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.

Another lie, no evidence cited.

If you sign
up then MS gets your email address and personal info.
You become one of their spied-on services customers.
But they're also trying to set the tone: You sign up
when the popup ad tells you to and you don't have
to think about it anymore. MS will transform you computer
as soon as Win10 is ready, as long as they have your
permission. Once that's done, it's in their hands from
then on. They'll let you know if there's anything you
need to know.... which will probably be mostly "special
offers".

Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How
shocking!

You won't even be able to choose about whether to
have updates installed once you've got onto the Win10
services bandwagon. It's all a very gradual
transition from selling to renting and from software to
services, which Microsoft has actually been trying to
pull off ever since they came out with Active Desktop
in 1998 and "invited" you to subscribe to ads on your
Desktop. Their quest became more urgent when they
saw Apple making over a billion dollars a year through
iTunes alone -- selling crippled music to a captive
audience of suckers. Services is all about a captive
audience of suckers. But for the general scam to succeed
they need to get people used to the idea that while you
might pay for a car, you're actually just going to get taxi
service. Ideally they need to make you into an AppleSeed:
someone who thanks them for exploiting you.

So I'm crippled because I play the music I purchased from iTunes five
years after the fact within MediaMonkey with iTunes not even being
installed? Another lie from a free software advocate.

--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)

| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How
| shocking!
|

If you're going to call people liars you could at least
have the common sense and the decency to explain
your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than
a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you
perhaps a Microsoft shill?

Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here
you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and
I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I
like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple:
Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's
not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the
social duty of anyone who knows something about
what's going on to share that with people who don't.

If you really care about facts you can check out
what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself
is talking services, and numerous sites have reported
that you won't be able to control updates in Win10.
If you think that's all made up then why do *you*
think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8?
Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop
directly?

On 2015-06-01 6:06 PM, Mayayana wrote:
| Three for three, a Linux user lied about Microsoft and Windows? How
| shocking!
|

If you're going to call people liars you could at least
have the common sense and the decency to explain
your "reasoning". Otherwise you're no different than
a drunk shouting at his hallucinations. Or are you
perhaps a Microsoft shill?

Sure, tell me which one of the lies you uttered you'd like for me to
provide more information on. I have a plethora of links I would love to
provide you if you insist on defending your fabrication.

Actually, if you'd been tuned in to discussions here
you'd know that I don't use Linux in general, and
I delight in criticizing Linux and OSS as much as I
like to criticize Microsoft. The reason is simple:
Between fashion, marketing and emotional bias, there's
not much room left for straight facts. I figure it's the
social duty of anyone who knows something about
what's going on to share that with people who don't.

Your message also demonstrates that you're not in the habit of using
recent hardwa

X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512

Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending
Linux which has a distribution for your old configuration should you
decide that Windows is no longer doing its job for you.

If you really care about facts you can check out
what I've said for yourself. Steve Ballmer himself
is talking services, and numerous sites have reported
that you won't be able to control updates in Win10.
If you think that's all made up then why do *you*
think they imposed the irrelevant Metro UI in Win8?
Because it's just more fun than booting to the Desktop
directly?

I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that
Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern
interface and abandon the older desktop. After all, the modern interface
allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple
from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on
tablets and phones, it would have become very familiar to users in the
long run had their gamble been successful. However, as the Start button
debacle has shown, people are resistant to change. After all, there's a
reason why the majority of Linux window manager and desktop environments
use the Start button as well.


--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)

| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
|
| Since you're running a very old machine, I can see why you're defending
| Linux

Where do you get this defending Linux stuff?
You're just making things up and jumping to
conclusions out of thin air.

That's jumping to another rash conclusion:
I built this box about 2 years ago. It's not old
at all. I just prefer XP to Win7 and I'm used to OE.
(How is it that you were able to figure out that
I'm using OE6 and yet you didn't know that indicated
XP? Did you really think Outlook Express was Linux
software? Or do you just think that everyone you
disagree with is some sort of Linux bogeyman?)

XP does what I need. I have a dual-CPU Win7-64
hotrod in the other room. I use it mostly to test
software and when friends need Win7 help. We also
have a Win7-32 laptop. That's also handy for testing.
I write Windows software so I need to have test boxes
to check for NT6 issues. But personally I don't need
the hassle of all the extra bloat, restrictions and
complications that Win7 added. And so far I haven't
found anything that I actually need Win7 for.

But someday I might switch to Win7. It's not
entirely unsalveageable. and it might look pretty good
if it's the only choice left other than Win10 and MacOS.


| I'm not defending the modern interface, however I would assume that
| Microsoft actually wanted to move in the direction of the modern
| interface and abandon the older desktop.

So what? What does it matter what the Microsofties
want? If Ford tells you they want you driving a tractor,
will you buy one?

| After all, the modern interface
| allows software to run sandboxed and essentially prevents a bad apple
| from taking down the entire system. Since this interface is also used on
| tablets and phones,

Yes, it's for tablets and phones. It didn't belong
on a Desktop or laptop computer. There's no sense
having a Desktop if one is going to use only
sandboxed trinket apps and online services. The
only reason for putting Metro on Win8 at all
(much less the bizarre design of forcing people
to boot into Metro) was to attempt herding Windows
customers, en masse, to Microsoft online services.
It's not about people being resistant to change. Metro
is an entirely irrelevant item blocking the Windows
Desktop. The best praise I've ever heard from Win8
fans is that Metro can be blocked with 3rd-party
software if desired.

There's a thread right now in the home
repair group, with an elderly woman who says she has
Vista and Win8, but she finds Win8 difficult to use.
Of course she does! It's a marketing monstrosity more
than it's an operating system. What do you tell to
people like that? They should just get used to it
because that's "where Microsoft wants them to
go today"?

Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer
wrote:

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.

Another lie, no evidence cited.

Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an
automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the
user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical
reason for that to be an automatic update.

Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic
updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates
seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an
automatic update because it is necessary to the user.

Evidence cited.

KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to
check the box.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 2015-06-01 8:52 PM, . . .winston wrote:
Zaghadka wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2015 17:43:51 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-8, Slimer
wrote:

People are getting invitation popups.
Why? Because they've already allowed Microsoft to
have unrestricted access to their machine and MS
is pushing new product.

Another lie, no evidence cited.

Baloney. They pushed KB3035583 as a "recommended" update, and thus an
automatic update, and they did it for the sole reason of turning the
user's computer into their own personal billboard. There is no technical
reason for that to be an automatic update.

Microsoft has unrestricted access to your machine through automatic
updates if the user has half a brain and takes security updates
seriously. This is a violation of the trust that they will only invoke an
automatic update because it is necessary to the user.

Evidence cited.

KB 3035583 for me tagged as an optional update - requiring the user to
check the box.

A big "whoops" to Zaghadka.


--
Slimer
Encrypt.

- "NTFS is just slightly faster than apples HFS. And that is the slowest
FS of all. EXT 4 is several times faster than NTFS, and *that* is the
reason you dimbulbs now troll against EXT4."
- "Like NTFS, which is at best at beta stage right now?"

(Peter "the Klöwn" Köhlmann lying shamelessly about NTFS to desperately
defend the fact that ext4 has been shown to corrupt data in Linux kernel
4.0.x)