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Registry Cleaners
Bill
If there was real evidence the subject would not controversial. However, you can see where the balance of opinion in the Microsoft newsgroups lies. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway |
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He will never show you proof, the best he has ever been able to do is
quote or supply links to advertising material from outfits who sell these useless products. We do at times see posts here with tales of woe from people who are having problems after using these cleaners but to no one's surprise Twayne is no where to be seen when people need help repairing the damages done. John Peter Foldes wrote: Twayne I do have to disagree with you on this issue. Show me proof on a hard copy to those facts. Have you seen these Registry Tool issues that were posted by a few OP's lately saying that their Reg Tools messed up their OS. One even could not boot after using a Registry Cleaning Tool. Some posters even remarked that you did not show up in those threads because you were then going to be proven wrong. I was also one that said the same. Automated Reg tools in the hand of persons that do not know computers and what the Registry does have no business using these snake oil remedies My take on this and period |
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He will never show you proof, the best he has ever been able to do is
quote or supply links to advertising material from outfits who sell these useless products. We do at times see posts here with tales of woe from people who are having problems after using these cleaners but to no one's surprise Twayne is no where to be seen when people need help repairing the damages done. John Peter Foldes wrote: Twayne I do have to disagree with you on this issue. Show me proof on a hard copy to those facts. Have you seen these Registry Tool issues that were posted by a few OP's lately saying that their Reg Tools messed up their OS. One even could not boot after using a Registry Cleaning Tool. Some posters even remarked that you did not show up in those threads because you were then going to be proven wrong. I was also one that said the same. Automated Reg tools in the hand of persons that do not know computers and what the Registry does have no business using these snake oil remedies My take on this and period |
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These programs are utterly useless. The non existent benefits parroted
by the vendors and fans of these programs is simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do at times cause. At best these useless programs have nothing more than a placebo effect and at worse they can bug up your computer, why even bother with them? John Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway |
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These programs are utterly useless. The non existent benefits parroted
by the vendors and fans of these programs is simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do at times cause. At best these useless programs have nothing more than a placebo effect and at worse they can bug up your computer, why even bother with them? John Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway |
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John John - MVP wrote:
These programs are utterly useless. The non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these programs is simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do at times cause. At best these useless programs have nothing more than a placebo effect and at worse they can bug up your computer, why even bother with them? John Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway Though in general I agree with those who say registry cleaners can potentially do more harm than good, there is one *possible* use for them: Cleaning up applications that have failed to uninstall properly. Of course this assumes one knows exactly what they are doing. |
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John John - MVP wrote:
These programs are utterly useless. The non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these programs is simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do at times cause. At best these useless programs have nothing more than a placebo effect and at worse they can bug up your computer, why even bother with them? John Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway Though in general I agree with those who say registry cleaners can potentially do more harm than good, there is one *possible* use for them: Cleaning up applications that have failed to uninstall properly. Of course this assumes one knows exactly what they are doing. |
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Bill Ridgeway wrote:
It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b2f696ca1b9462 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...1aaebff35bc 6 http://boards.live.com/safetyboards/...D%3D 28824491 http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic110399.html http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299958 http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...5889f1033.mspx http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247678 http://support.microsoft.com/default...rss&spid=11734 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950 |
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Bill Ridgeway wrote:
It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b2f696ca1b9462 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...1aaebff35bc 6 http://boards.live.com/safetyboards/...D%3D 28824491 http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic110399.html http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299958 http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...5889f1033.mspx http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888637 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247678 http://support.microsoft.com/default...rss&spid=11734 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/951950 |
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"Is there anything more substantial on this subject?"
The only way to truly appreciate how useless - and possibly dangerous - is a so-called registry cleaner is to learn more about how your computer works, and the Windows registry in particular. Otherwise, you're pitting one person's word against another. The more you learn, the more you'll understand, and you'll see why these products are marketed to people with little computer knowledge. These are the software equivalent of the diet and multi-vitamin pills you hear advertised on late night infomercials. As in the case of the Windows registry, few people understand what these pills really do in the body, so they can be swayed by arguments that appeal more to human emotion than to the facts. Here's one fact: No responsible journal or test lab has published before and after tests that prove the claims a registry cleaner makes, and little wonder: They can't be proven. However, these newsgroups are routinely visited by people who've messed up their computers with a so-called registry cleaner. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway |
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"Is there anything more substantial on this subject?"
The only way to truly appreciate how useless - and possibly dangerous - is a so-called registry cleaner is to learn more about how your computer works, and the Windows registry in particular. Otherwise, you're pitting one person's word against another. The more you learn, the more you'll understand, and you'll see why these products are marketed to people with little computer knowledge. These are the software equivalent of the diet and multi-vitamin pills you hear advertised on late night infomercials. As in the case of the Windows registry, few people understand what these pills really do in the body, so they can be swayed by arguments that appeal more to human emotion than to the facts. Here's one fact: No responsible journal or test lab has published before and after tests that prove the claims a registry cleaner makes, and little wonder: They can't be proven. However, these newsgroups are routinely visited by people who've messed up their computers with a so-called registry cleaner. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway |
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Finished?
Nah, I can go on almost forever when people make the stupid and misinformed comments you do at times. I choose what I do and when I do it, so ... you takes yer chances! His comments are not stupid or misinformed. Your responses and touting of registry cleaners are. The average computer user should not be taking ridiculous chances as you do. And you should NOT be enticing them to do so. |
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Finished?
Nah, I can go on almost forever when people make the stupid and misinformed comments you do at times. I choose what I do and when I do it, so ... you takes yer chances! His comments are not stupid or misinformed. Your responses and touting of registry cleaners are. The average computer user should not be taking ridiculous chances as you do. And you should NOT be enticing them to do so. |
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Even that is an extremely poor use for a registry cleaner.
That (cleaning up) can be done easily, manually by anyone knowledgeable enough to know what they are doing. "philo" wrote in message ... John John - MVP wrote: These programs are utterly useless. The non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these programs is simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do at times cause. At best these useless programs have nothing more than a placebo effect and at worse they can bug up your computer, why even bother with them? John Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway Though in general I agree with those who say registry cleaners can potentially do more harm than good, there is one *possible* use for them: Cleaning up applications that have failed to uninstall properly. Of course this assumes one knows exactly what they are doing. |
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Even that is an extremely poor use for a registry cleaner.
That (cleaning up) can be done easily, manually by anyone knowledgeable enough to know what they are doing. "philo" wrote in message ... John John - MVP wrote: These programs are utterly useless. The non existent benefits parroted by the vendors and fans of these programs is simply not worth the risk of the real damages that these programs can and do at times cause. At best these useless programs have nothing more than a placebo effect and at worse they can bug up your computer, why even bother with them? John Bill Ridgeway wrote: It is alleged that using a Registry cleaner is dangerous to the extent of corpsing a computers and that the advantage of using them is outweighed by the danger of using them. I acknowledge that just because I haven't experienced any problems with using two registry cleaners over several years proves not that there are no dangers rather that I just may be lucky. I also acknowledge that cleaning a registry may not produce a reasonable return in terms of decreasing the size of the file or decreasing processing time. I wouldn't wish to doubt the views posted so far. However, in this thread I see nothing more than anecdotal evidence. Just using a computer has hidden dangers from badly behaving software, incomplete installs and uninstalls and even spikes and surges but that isn't a valid view for not using a computer. Is there anything more substantial on this subject? Bill Ridgeway Though in general I agree with those who say registry cleaners can potentially do more harm than good, there is one *possible* use for them: Cleaning up applications that have failed to uninstall properly. Of course this assumes one knows exactly what they are doing. |
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