Mailwasher 6.5.4

I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:
I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

Well, there's a blast from the past. Just use an email client that does
spam detecting and removal. I can't think of one that doesn't, can you?

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Z

Ed Cryer wrote:
I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

There's one here, but I have no way to validate it.

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/mailwasher-6-54

The site I see here, doesn't list MD5, SHA1, SHA2 etc.
And without that, I can't tell whether you're getting
this version or that version.

https://web.archive.org/web/20111103...ailwasher.net/

Paul

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 14:36:20 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

http://www.firetrust.com/products/mailwasher-pro
Go to "Support" tab & Helpful Links (on left) & select "download old
versions" & select MailWasherPro
Version 6.54 is about 3/4 down the page.
Good luck
Cheers
Gary

Ed Cryer wrote:
I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

Thanks to all.

I found that a later version works well with Win7; 7.8.10.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...sher_free.html

It's quite an improvement on 6.5.4, still free, no nagging included,
handles multiple accounts.

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:

I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

I thought the OP wants an ancient version (26 versions ago released 6
years ago) of Mailwasher because maybe they stopped providing a freeware
version for a long time. Nope, there is a recent version available for
free. I did not find mention of a Download Manager product (the OP did
not spell out what "DL" means and I guessed it was some download
manager) at Firetrust's sites so it is probably bundleware. That means
the user must either watch the installer's screens or select a custom
installation so they can NOT elect to install the bundleware. No user
should ever go clicking through an installer's screens as fast as they
can click.

As Gary already pointed out, you can download old versions from
Firetrust's own web site.

Firetrust uses the publicly available blocklists (e.g., Spamhaus,
Spamcop, etc) without any financial support to those that are building
and maintaining those blocklists. They ride free on the efforts of
others and then charge their customers for their Pro product that
incorporates those blocklists. Any company that is utilizing the
blocklists in their commercialware should be paying for them.

Mailwasher was one of those products that ignorants users found that got
themselves blacklisted as spammers. They used the fake bounce feature
of Mailwasher to sent out fake bounces (NDRs = Non-delivery reports).
There is only one place where the actual sending account is known for
e-mail and that is at the sending mail server. The sending mail server
can issue a status message to the sending account if it cannot reach the
receiving mail server. During a mail session between SMTP servers, the
receving mail server can check if the receiving account exists and, if
not, send back status to the sending mail server to have the sending
server issue a status message to the sending account. Once the mail
session is over between sending and receiving mail servers, NOTHING
knows for sure what is the sending account on the receiving end,
especially true if the receiving account is a forwarding service. After
the mail session is over with the sending mail server, the receiving
server and everything downstream from there only knows what the headers
say is the sending account - and obviously spammers and scammers do NOT
specify their true e-mail address. Some headers are prepended by the
sending and receiving mail servers but many headers are inserted by the
originator - and spammers and scammers use bogus headers. The boob
using the auto-bounce feature of Mailwasher ends up sending their fake
bounce to the wrong person (which could be an invalid address at an
invalid domain, an invalid address at a valid domain which wastes
resources at that mail server to fail the receive of the fake bounce, or
worst is when a person forged by the spammer gets the fake bounce).
This is called backscatter, is deliberate by the original spam receiver
in generating, and targets the wrong recipient. Backscatter is
reportable as spam which means the boob using fake bounces can get their
e-mail account suspended or terminated because the boob is behaving as a
spammer. Also, the fake bounces can easily be detected as such because
they are not in-session NDRs generated by the receiving mail server.

The same goes for those using challenge-response (CR) schemes to have
the sender verify they sent an e-mail. Spammers and scammers don't use
their true e-mail address so the challenges target invalid domains (to
waste resources at the sending server), target invalid accounts at valid
domains (so the receiving server wastes its resources), or target
innocents who receive challenges for e-mails they never sent (which
means the challenges are spam and reportable as such). Someone using CR
wants someone else (a human) to verify an e-mail is not spam by having
the sender or an innocent victim respond to the challenge. Since spam
houses can and have easily setup automated responders (that can decipher
CAPTCHA images), CR gets thwarted because the responses get sent back.

Those using fake bounces or challenges sent at the client end haven't a
clue how e-mail works. Both the fake bounces (backscatter) and
challenges that hit innocents (who never sent the e-mail) can report
that noise as spam to punish back the ignorant boobs for dumping their
noise in an innocent's Inbox. I don't see fake bouncing mentioned at
Firetrust's (or mailwasher.net) web sites so maybe they grew up and stop
afflicting innocents with backscatter. That I don't see it mentioned
does not mean they removed that "feature". Just 2 years ago an article
described how to enable fake bouncing in the MW client (which only has
the spammer's bogus headers to use to identify a spoofed sender):

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/bounce-e...notifications/

The MW android app is mentioned as having the fake bounce feature at:

http://www.techuntold.com/5-best-spa...-android-apps/

So the full desktop version probably still has it, too. I'm a spam
reporter. If I get this ignorantly misdirected backscatter from a boob
thinking they are nuisancing spammers then I report it as spam.
Spammers aren't getting these bounces or challenges. You waste
resources at your sending server, at a receiving server (if the domain
was valid in the faked sender headers), and you nuisance victims with
your backscatter noise.

Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall
that I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

There's one here, but I have no way to validate it.

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/mailwasher-6-54


That site is typical of the "find the link you want amidst all the red
herrings".
The big "Download" buttons give you Directions Mapper, and the tiny
little thing in the middle is the Mailwasher link.

Ed

On 2016-08-20, Z wrote:
Well, there's a blast from the past. Just use an email client that does
spam detecting and removal. I can't think of one that doesn't, can you?

I don't think alpine or mutt have built-in spam detection. There are
probably others.

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On 20/08/2016 18:47, Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

Thanks to all.

I found that a later version works well with Win7; 7.8.10.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...sher_free.html

It's quite an improvement on 6.5.4, still free, no nagging included,
handles multiple accounts.

Ed


The link which you cite says that it only handles *one* account, but
that a Pro version - presumably *not* free - has no such limitations.

I'm still using Mailwasher 2.0(!) - which was free and *does* handle
multiple accounts - and would be very interested in upgrading if there
is really a later version which handles multiple accounts.

Please clarify!
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Roger Mills wrote:

The link which you cite says that it only handles *one* account, but
that a Pro version - presumably *not* free - has no such limitations.

I'm still using Mailwasher 2.0(!) - which was free and *does* handle
multiple accounts - and would be very interested in upgrading if there
is really a later version which handles multiple accounts.

Please clarify!

Mailwasher Free has always been demoware. More than 1 account requires
paying for the "privilege" of supporting 2, or more, accounts. That is
not uncommon for demoware. The free version of em Client lets you poll
a maximum of 2 accounts and you pay if you want more.

http://www.mailwasher.net/
See column marked "Mailwasher Free"
1 email address

2, or more, accounts requires doling out $40 to Firetrust. From a
wikipedia article, the Bayesian filter (a statistical guessing scheme)
is not included in the free version.

By the way, one feature listed is "Preview emails on the server". That
is not possible. You don't have access to the server. You can only
"preview" a copy that has been downloaded. That might use the RETR or
TOP [n] commands to retrieve a copy of a message or retrieve the headers
(and optionally the first n lines) of a message but you ARE downloading
the message to view it locally.

Roger Mills wrote:
On 20/08/2016 18:47, Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I need to re-install MW under Win7. I went looking for the old 6.5.4
version but I could only find it in download sites such as CNET and
FileHippo; and they all insist on installing their DL manager too.
I'd rather not waste time uninstalling it afterwards, and I recall that
I got it a few years ago straight and unadorned.
Can anybody help? Some better searcher than I am?

Ed

Thanks to all.

I found that a later version works well with Win7; 7.8.10.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/deta...sher_free.html

It's quite an improvement on 6.5.4, still free, no nagging included,
handles multiple accounts.

Ed


The link which you cite says that it only handles *one* account, but
that a Pro version - presumably *not* free - has no such limitations.

I'm still using Mailwasher 2.0(!) - which was free and *does* handle
multiple accounts - and would be very interested in upgrading if there
is really a later version which handles multiple accounts.

Please clarify!

I can guarantee that the version 7.8.10 in my above majorgeeks link
works on multiple accounts. I've installed it on a Win7 and a Win10AU
system, both with 4 accounts detailed.

I've looked again at the website and seen this;
"Limitations: Will only monitor one email account. A Pro Version is
available without restrictions. Read more at: https://tr.im/1g7QU"
but I clicked again on the "Download@MajorGeeks" and went to a page
where the download started and contained this;
"Downloading MailWasher Free 7.8.10 MailWasher allows you to preview
multiple accounts and all aspects of your e-mail before you download
them. Your download will automatically start in 5 seconds Read more at:
https://tr.im/1xS3t"

They've obviously messed up on version descriptions.

Once again I highly recommend the 7.8.10. Not only does it handle
multiple accounts but the setup wizard found accounts from my mail client.

Ed

On 20/08/2016 21:10, VanguardLH wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

The link which you cite says that it only handles *one* account, but
that a Pro version - presumably *not* free - has no such limitations.

I'm still using Mailwasher 2.0(!) - which was free and *does* handle
multiple accounts - and would be very interested in upgrading if there
is really a later version which handles multiple accounts.

Please clarify!

Mailwasher Free has always been demoware. More than 1 account requires
paying for the "privilege" of supporting 2, or more, accounts.

That's not actually true! The version I'm using was supplied by the
creator - Nick Bolton - under his own name before the company became
Firetrust. That *was* free. That *does* support multiple accounts. I
currently use it to monitor 18 different email accounts.

More recent versions certainly seem to be limited to one account - but
to say that it has *always* been thus simply isn't true.



By the way, one feature listed is "Preview emails on the server". That
is not possible. You don't have access to the server. You can only
"preview" a copy that has been downloaded. That might use the RETR or
TOP [n] commands to retrieve a copy of a message or retrieve the headers
(and optionally the first n lines) of a message but you ARE downloading
the message to view it locally.

The very ancient version which I've got has that feature. You are
probably right that it's not strictly "on the server" and that it
actually downloads the headers and part of the text (and no attachments,
of course). But it usually shows enough of the message to be able to
decide whether you want it or not.

I would still appreciate clarification from Ed Cryer as to why he
believes that the free version of 7.8.10 *does* support multiple
accounts. I suspect that he's not right about that - but I'd like to
hear from him in case I'm missing something.
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Roger Mills wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Mailwasher Free has always been demoware. More than 1 account requires
paying for the "privilege" of supporting 2, or more, accounts.

That's not actually true! The version I'm using was supplied by the
creator - Nick Bolton - under his own name before the company became
Firetrust. That *was* free. That *does* support multiple accounts. I
currently use it to monitor 18 different email accounts.

More recent versions certainly seem to be limited to one account - but
to say that it has *always* been thus simply isn't true.

How far back for a version do you have that still allowed 2, or more,
accounts defined within Mailwasher? And how many years ago was that
version released?

Over a decade ago, in computerland, is pretty much forever or always.
You said that you are using version 2.0. Mailwasher was first released
back in 2001 according to the "About" page at Firetrust's web site.
Their old version download page only goes back to version 4.1.7.5
released 12 years ago back in July 2004. So your 2.0 version is even
older than that, like maybe 14 years old. I used to work on mainframes
that took punched cards and punched tape but obviously that is such
ancient technology that it has long been irrelevant to today's computer
technologies. Time elapse is accelerated in computers. It's not like
plumbing where soldering a copper pipe joint or using dope on threaded
pipe is the same today as so many years ago that you and I weren't even
a twinkle in our parents eyes.

From a Google Groups search, it looks like my oldest posts that touched
on Mailwasher were dated back to Oct 2007. It was limited to one
account in the free version over 8 years ago so. According to you, the
lack of the 1-account limitation in the free version is even older going
back perhaps 12-14 years. So, for me, that limitation has been
"always". Mailwasher wasn't very big even back then; however, even back
then I had multiple e-mail accounts so Mailwasher was immediately
discarded as a non-viable choice. Another problem was having to deal
with multiple e-mail clients: the normal one and Mailwasher. You had to
go review Mailwasher to figure out what might've happened to an e-mail
that you expected but never showed up in your normal e-mail client. The
longer the chain, the more fragile it becomes.

By the way, one feature listed is "Preview emails on the server". That
is not possible. You don't have access to the server. You can only
"preview" a copy that has been downloaded. That might use the RETR or
TOP [n] commands to retrieve a copy of a message or retrieve the headers
(and optionally the first n lines) of a message but you ARE downloading
the message to view it locally.

The very ancient version which I've got has that feature. You are
probably right that it's not strictly "on the server" and that it
actually downloads the headers and part of the text (and no attachments,
of course). But it usually shows enough of the message to be able to
decide whether you want it or not.

Every e-mail product that claims to have a preview still has to
download, at a minimum, the headers of the e-mails and you are viewing
those locally on your own computer. There have been many e-mail
monitors long before and ever since Mailwasher that let you do the same
"preview" mode of looking at your e-mails. This was hardly a unique
feature to Mailwasher. In fact, I have to wonder why they even bother
noting that feature since almost every e-mail client, whether a monitor
or full client, can be configured to retrieve headers only which use the
"TOP [n]" command (instead of RETR) to get the headers and optionally
the first n lines of the body of the message. Of course, if n is
greater than the number of physical lines of the message then, in
effect, the entire message gets retrieved. RETR has been part of the
POP1 protocol since 1984 and TOP got added to POP3 back in 1988.

When e-mail clients claim to preview messages up on the server, they are
not just stretching the truth. They are lying. This isn't marketspeak
unique to Firetrust. Lots of e-mail clients make the same bogus claim.
They have so misled users that many think previewing an e-mail does not
retrieve it. You are never looking at an e-mail "on the server". You
are only looking at a copy of it downloaded to your computer.

There is a significant difference between watching a live security
camera to see what is happening now at the premises versus someone
making a recording of the premises and showing the video to you sometime
later. Someone showing you the recorded video of what happened
previously and telling you that it is live monitoring is lying to you.
Previewing e-mails "on the server" has always been a lie.

I would still appreciate clarification from Ed Cryer as to why he
believes that the free version of 7.8.10 *does* support multiple
accounts. I suspect that he's not right about that - but I'd like to
hear from him in case I'm missing something.

That's why I figure he perhaps omitted "Pro" in his description.
The trial version is full featured but then it self cripples after the
trial period expires. From mailwasher.net:

NOTE: MailWasher Free is fully featured as the Pro version for 10
days, thereafter you can upgrade to MailWasher Pro inside of
MailWasher Free, or continue to use the Free version.

So their trial period is only 10 days and then the product cripples
itself without a valid registration (i.e., paying for a license). You
don't even get a month. So Ed is using the trial or demo version and
will be disappointed in under 2 weeks when it devolves into crippleware.

Ed Cryer wrote:

I can guarantee that the version 7.8.10 in my above majorgeeks link
works on multiple accounts. I've installed it on a Win7 and a Win10AU
system, both with 4 accounts detailed.

I've looked again at the website and seen this;
"Limitations: Will only monitor one email account. A Pro Version is
available without restrictions. Read more at: https://tr.im/1g7QU"
but I clicked again on the "Download@MajorGeeks" and went to a page
where the download started and contained this;
"Downloading MailWasher Free 7.8.10 MailWasher allows you to preview
multiple accounts and all aspects of your e-mail before you download
them. Your download will automatically start in 5 seconds Read more at:
https://tr.im/1xS3t"

They've obviously messed up on version descriptions.

Once again I highly recommend the 7.8.10. Not only does it handle
multiple accounts but the setup wizard found accounts from my mail client.

From mailwasher.net:

NOTE: MailWasher Free is fully featured as the Pro version for 10
days, thereafter you can upgrade to MailWasher Pro inside of
MailWasher Free, or continue to use the Free version.

In less than a couple weeks, you'll get disappointed when the trial
version cripples itself from the Pro to free version. Yes, for 10 days,
it will support multiple e-mail accounts. Then it won't.

On 21/08/2016 08:15, VanguardLH wrote:
Roger Mills wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Mailwasher Free has always been demoware. More than 1 account requires
paying for the "privilege" of supporting 2, or more, accounts.

That's not actually true! The version I'm using was supplied by the
creator - Nick Bolton - under his own name before the company became
Firetrust. That *was* free. That *does* support multiple accounts. I
currently use it to monitor 18 different email accounts.

More recent versions certainly seem to be limited to one account - but
to say that it has *always* been thus simply isn't true.

How far back for a version do you have that still allowed 2, or more,
accounts defined within Mailwasher? And how many years ago was that
version released?

Over a decade ago, in computerland, is pretty much forever or always.
You said that you are using version 2.0. Mailwasher was first released
back in 2001 according to the "About" page at Firetrust's web site.
Their old version download page only goes back to version 4.1.7.5
released 12 years ago back in July 2004. So your 2.0 version is even
older than that, like maybe 14 years old. I used to work on mainframes
that took punched cards and punched tape but obviously that is such
ancient technology that it has long been irrelevant to today's computer
technologies. Time elapse is accelerated in computers. It's not like
plumbing where soldering a copper pipe joint or using dope on threaded
pipe is the same today as so many years ago that you and I weren't even
a twinkle in our parents eyes.


Who was who said "When you're in a hole, stop digging!"?
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Cheers,
Roger
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