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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:54:05 -0800, Barry Schwarz
wrote: On Sun, 04 Nov 2012 17:54:59 -0500, Barry Bruyea wrote: I was in Future Shop (owned by Best Buy) the other day and noticed a portable 1 gig hard drive for $67.00 (Can). As electronics are much cheaper in the U.S. I can only guess what it would sell for there. You actually saw a commercial drive that had a capacity of only 1 GB? Even at flea markets I don't see anything smaller than 100 GB. My bad. It was 1 terrabyte. |
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Il giorno Wed 31 Oct 2012 07:28:59p, *VanguardLH* inviava su
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general il messaggio . Vediamo cosa scrisse: Now that YOU choose to delete those folders on behalf of your customer, you've made it impossible for your customer to uninstall many of those updates should they incur problems. I usually remove all those backup folders some weeks after any update, once I'm sure the computer is ok. This on my old pcs with XP, on Vista and Seven I do more or less the same, deleting all restore points and creating just one when I re-enable the system protection. The only thing I'm missing is a safe way to make some cleanup also in the winsxs folder... The customer said: clean the viruses and make room on the disk -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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Il giorno Wed 31 Oct 2012 07:28:59p, *VanguardLH* inviava su
Now that YOU choose to delete those folders on behalf of your customer, you've made it impossible for your customer to uninstall many of those updates should they incur problems. On Nov 13, 2:37 am, Ammammata wrote: I usually remove all those backup folders some weeks after any update, once I'm sure the computer is ok. This on my old pcs with XP, on Vista and Seven I do more or less the same, deleting all restore points and creating just one when I re-enable the system protection. The only thing I'm missing is a safe way to make some cleanup also in the winsxs folder... The customer said: clean the viruses and make room on the disk I posted these responses to somebody else some time ago but I thought they would be appropriate here. Why is hard disk space THAT precious to you? What are your system specs, in detail? Processor, Speed, exact Windows version, Especially your hard disk and partition sizes... Attempting to deprive your system of working space is counterproductive. Do you live in a rural part of the Hindu Kush, or what? Why are you THAT poor? Maybe if you got rid of all of that anonymous posting garbage on your system you'd have more room for YouTube to work? Do you have Aspergers? -- People who obsess too much about small amounts of hard disk space tend to be headed for problems. They tend to try things they THINK are solutions but which ultimately lead to disaster for them. 1. They usually FAIL to make proper backups to protect them against the eventual drive failure. 2. They are tempted to delete system files that they THINK they don't need, but which often ends badly. 3. They're often running a computer that was a castoff and so foolishly refuse to consider spending even $20 to buy a larger hard disk drive for it. 4. Their obsessive efforts may actually accelerate the end of their old hard disk because of concentrated and repetitive wear patterns. 5. Even if you're living in a rural part of the Hindu Kush, buying an additional hard disk and making useful backups are viable options, especially if you want to watch YouTube! |
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"Greegor" wrote in message
... Il giorno Wed 31 Oct 2012 07:28:59p, *VanguardLH* inviava su Now that YOU choose to delete those folders on behalf of your customer, you've made it impossible for your customer to uninstall many of those updates should they incur problems. On Nov 13, 2:37 am, Ammammata wrote: I usually remove all those backup folders some weeks after any update, once I'm sure the computer is ok. This on my old pcs with XP, on Vista and Seven I do more or less the same, deleting all restore points and creating just one when I re-enable the system protection. The only thing I'm missing is a safe way to make some cleanup also in the winsxs folder... The customer said: clean the viruses and make room on the disk I posted these responses to somebody else some time ago but I thought they would be appropriate here. Why is hard disk space THAT precious to you? What are your system specs, in detail? Processor, Speed, exact Windows version, Especially your hard disk and partition sizes... Attempting to deprive your system of working space is counterproductive. Do you live in a rural part of the Hindu Kush, or what? Why are you THAT poor? Maybe if you got rid of all of that anonymous posting garbage on your system you'd have more room for YouTube to work? Do you have Aspergers? -- People who obsess too much about small amounts of hard disk space tend to be headed for problems. They tend to try things they THINK are solutions but which ultimately lead to disaster for them. 1. They usually FAIL to make proper backups to protect them against the eventual drive failure. 2. They are tempted to delete system files that they THINK they don't need, but which often ends badly. 3. They're often running a computer that was a castoff and so foolishly refuse to consider spending even $20 to buy a larger hard disk drive for it. 4. Their obsessive efforts may actually accelerate the end of their old hard disk because of concentrated and repetitive wear patterns. 5. Even if you're living in a rural part of the Hindu Kush, buying an additional hard disk and making useful backups are viable options, especially if you want to watch YouTube! Your snide comment about Asperger syndrome is insulting, irrelevant and inappropriate, as well as showing that you don't actually know what it's symptoms are. As for your comment concerning backups, there is no relationship whatsoever between someone trying to gain disk space and your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. As for spending $20 to buy a new large hard drive.... seriously? Where do you see new large hard drives for $20?! It is perfectly valid for a user on limited income (retired, elderly, or a low-income family with children, and ,many others) to not be able to afford replacing a good hard drive with a larger one for the sole purpose of gaining disk space, when they need their money for other things. Apparently you do not work with a large number of home users or are unaware of the priorities some people must set in regards to how they spend and on what. Perhaps it is you who live in the remote part of Hindu Kush.... another of your snide and unnecessary remarks, by the way. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:25:09 -0500, "glee" wrote:
e! Your snide comment about Asperger syndrome is insulting, irrelevant and inappropriate, as well as showing that you don't actually know what it's symptoms are. As for your comment concerning backups, there is no relationship whatsoever between someone trying to gain disk space and your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. As for spending $20 to buy a new large hard drive.... seriously? Where do you see new large hard drives for $20?! It is perfectly valid for a user on limited income (retired, elderly, or a low-income family with children, and ,many others) to not be able to afford replacing a good hard drive with a larger one for the sole purpose of gaining disk space, when they need their money for other things. Apparently you do not work with a large number of home users or are unaware of the priorities some people must set in regards to how they spend and on what. Perhaps it is you who live in the remote part of Hindu Kush.... another of your snide and unnecessary remarks, by the way. I bet there are plenty of 'lightly used' drives that came out of systems that were upgraded that could be had for that. Many (not the ultra mini ones) 'desktop' systems have room for a second HD. so there would be no *need* to get a 'big' drive XP can *span* drives if having a new drive letter would confuse. |
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"Steve Urbach" wrote in message
... On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:25:09 -0500, "glee" wrote: e! Your snide comment about Asperger syndrome is insulting, irrelevant and inappropriate, as well as showing that you don't actually know what it's symptoms are. As for your comment concerning backups, there is no relationship whatsoever between someone trying to gain disk space and your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. As for spending $20 to buy a new large hard drive.... seriously? Where do you see new large hard drives for $20?! It is perfectly valid for a user on limited income (retired, elderly, or a low-income family with children, and ,many others) to not be able to afford replacing a good hard drive with a larger one for the sole purpose of gaining disk space, when they need their money for other things. Apparently you do not work with a large number of home users or are unaware of the priorities some people must set in regards to how they spend and on what. Perhaps it is you who live in the remote part of Hindu Kush.... another of your snide and unnecessary remarks, by the way. I bet there are plenty of 'lightly used' drives that came out of systems that were upgraded that could be had for that. Many (not the ultra mini ones) 'desktop' systems have room for a second HD. so there would be no *need* to get a 'big' drive XP can *span* drives if having a new drive letter would confuse. "Spanning" drives in XP can only be done with XP Pro, not XP Home, and cannot be done on a portable computer, e.g. a laptop. While there are some laptops that have a second hard drive bay, they are not particularly common. Yes, a used hard drive may be available for $20, but I would not suggest a user "upgrade" to a used hard drive as their primary single drive. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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glee wrote: "Steve Urbach" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:25:09 -0500, "glee" wrote: e! Your snide comment about Asperger syndrome is insulting, irrelevant and inappropriate, as well as showing that you don't actually know what it's symptoms are. As for your comment concerning backups, there is no relationship whatsoever between someone trying to gain disk space and your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. As for spending $20 to buy a new large hard drive.... seriously? Where do you see new large hard drives for $20?! It is perfectly valid for a user on limited income (retired, elderly, or a low-income family with children, and ,many others) to not be able to afford replacing a good hard drive with a larger one for the sole purpose of gaining disk space, when they need their money for other things. Apparently you do not work with a large number of home users or are unaware of the priorities some people must set in regards to how they spend and on what. Perhaps it is you who live in the remote part of Hindu Kush.... another of your snide and unnecessary remarks, by the way. I bet there are plenty of 'lightly used' drives that came out of systems that were upgraded that could be had for that. Many (not the ultra mini ones) 'desktop' systems have room for a second HD. so there would be no *need* to get a 'big' drive XP can *span* drives if having a new drive letter would confuse. "Spanning" drives in XP can only be done with XP Pro, not XP Home, and cannot be done on a portable computer, e.g. a laptop. While there are some laptops that have a second hard drive bay, they are not particularly common. Yes, a used hard drive may be available for $20, but I would not suggest a user "upgrade" to a used hard drive as their primary single drive. Always appreciated your advice, and I see you are still being very logical. Have a Happy Thanksgiving! Buffalo PS: I may soon have to upgrade from my dual boot Win98SE and Win2000ProSP4 systems. I'm not sure if I want to go to the 64bit Win7 or maybe just upgrade to the 32bit WinXP-SP3. SSD's are another concern of mine. |
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I stand by my comment about people who would
remove uninstall files in some perverse attempt to save hard disk space. They have other "comorbidities" like the habit of not making backups. What are the specs of the system you did that to, Ammammata? As others have pointed out, that method of freeing space can easily become catastrophic. If you really want to pare down Windows, you could use nLite, and slipstream it, which would gain you a lot more space, but deleting 100K of uninstall files from an 8 to 10 GB Windows install is perverse, obsessive and actually counterproductive. Do you think a "neurotypical" person would do that rather than add more hard disk space or replace the drive with a larger one, Glen? Glen As for your comment concerning backups, Glen there is no relationship whatsoever between Glen someone trying to gain disk space and Glen your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. Somebody who would delete 100K of uninstall files on an 8GB+ system install sure sounds to ME like the kind who is short on space, as in too short on space to make backups because they lack common sense enough to replace and enlarge their hard disk. Aspies typically lack common sense, among other things. |
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"Greegor" wrote in message ... I stand by my comment about people who would remove uninstall files in some perverse attempt to save hard disk space. They have other "comorbidities" like the habit of not making backups. That's a totally unsupported as well as illogical conclusion with no basis. What are the specs of the system you did that to, Ammammata? As others have pointed out, that method of freeing space can easily become catastrophic. No, not catastrophic. Removing the $NTUninstall$ folders (which is what the original post was about) only remove the ability to uninstall updates and service packs. Once a good period of time has gone by following installation of those updates and service packs, the need to have to uninstall them dwindles to nothing, and removing the uninstall files does no harm. If you really want to pare down Windows, you could use nLite, and slipstream it, which would gain you a lot more space, but deleting 100K of uninstall files from an 8 to 10 GB Windows install is perverse, obsessive and actually counterproductive. Where did you come up with 100K?? The $NTUninstall$ files take up in the range of 1.5GB or more. Do you think a "neurotypical" person would do that rather than add more hard disk space or replace the drive with a larger one, Glen? Yes, if they could not afford a new hard drive and did not want to remove certain other files. This was already mentioned. I have worked on client machines that had a small hard drive in good working order, and the client could not afford to replace the drive at this time. In such cases, every bit of extra space that can be gained can be important. Glen As for your comment concerning backups, Glen there is no relationship whatsoever between Glen someone trying to gain disk space and Glen your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. Somebody who would delete 100K of uninstall files on an 8GB+ system install sure sounds to ME like the kind who is short on space, as in too short on space to make backups because they lack common sense enough to replace and enlarge their hard disk. What pray tell does it have to do with backups? Only a fool would create their backups on the same physical drive as the original data.... which I see from another of your posts today in this group ( Best Restore Method) is what you foolishly do, by suggesting to create your system image on the same physical drive as your OS and data. Aspies typically lack common sense, among other things. Now you are just showing your ignorance. People with Asperger's Syndrome have repetitive behaviors, lack of empathy, difficulty with social interaction.... but it has nothing to do with "lack of common sense". "Aspies" are more often than not very intelligent and have no "common sense" issues. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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Greegor" wrote in message
I stand by my comment about people who would remove uninstall files in some perverse attempt to save hard disk space. *They have other "comorbidities" like the habit of not making backups. Glen That's a totally unsupported as well as Glen illogical conclusion with no basis. Just my actual experiences dealing with people, Glen. What are the specs of the system you did that to, Ammammata? As others have pointed out, that method of freeing space can easily become catastrophic. No, not catastrophic. *Removing the $NTUninstall$ folders (which is what the original post was about) only remove the ability to uninstall updates and service packs. *Once a good period of time has gone by following installation of those updates and service packs, the need to have to uninstall them dwindles to nothing, and removing the uninstall files does no harm. Are you seriously arguing that to be preferable to replacing or adding hard disk space, Glen? Microsoft and CompTIA should de-license you for that absurdity. If you really want to pare down Windows, you could use nLite, and slipstream it, which would gain you a lot more space, but deleting 100K of uninstall files from an 8 to 10 GB Windows install is perverse, obsessive and actually counterproductive. Where did you come up with 100K?? *The $NTUninstall$ files take up in the range of 1.5GB or more. What do you think 1.5 GB costs today, Glen? $2 worth? Wow! Do you think a "neurotypical" person would do that rather than add more hard disk space or replace the drive with a larger one, Glen? Yes, if they could not afford a new hard drive and did not want to remove certain other files. *This was already mentioned. *I have worked on client machines that had a small hard drive in good working order, and the client could not afford to replace the drive at this time. *In such cases, every bit of extra space that can be gained can be important. Did they make backups, Glen? Did you get paid in chickens? How much were you telling them a hard disk would cost? Just what SIZE of hard disk did this client have? How valuable was their data to them? Did you give them a guarantee? Did you get them to sign a WAIVER for doing what you know to be risky substandard work, Glen? I would if I had to do something like that. Glen As for your comment concerning backups, Glen there is no relationship whatsoever between Glen someone trying to gain disk space and Glen your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. Somebody who would delete 100K of uninstall files on an 8GB+ system install sure sounds to ME like the kind who is short on space, as in too short on space to make backups because they lack common sense enough to replace and enlarge their hard disk. What pray tell does it have to do with backups? *Only a fool would create their backups on the same physical drive as the original data.... Yes, a fool or most major manufacturers. : I agree with your trite simplistic comment, but In actual practice, backup partitiions, especially CLONED system partitions solve about 90% of all problems with messed up Windows. The importance of an off drive image would be Crucial for the INEVITABLE other 10% of the time when more drastic measures are needed. (And what do you know, I didn't overlook that fact in my other post you cited, Glen! Why did you pretend that I did overlook that?) which I see from another of your posts today in this group ( Best Restore Method) is what you foolishly do, by suggesting to create your system image on the same physical drive as your OS and data. Yes, as preferable to the hidden OEM restore partition. I distinctly remembered suggesting cloning to other drives. Did you miss this part, Glen? ------------------------------------------------- http://groups.google.com/group/micro...74405fd5?hl=en [...] G Ideally you would also make a CLONE of your G system partition to another drive or several drives G as well. Perhaps even a USB external hard disk G or a 32 GB USB Flash drive... [...] G On a 200 GB HD I'd be tempted to rig it with G two backup bootable partitions in addition G to the first one, but that could add more confusion G than it's worth. A clone to another drive would G of course be preferable. G G Somewhere I saw that some business people G who fly a lot regularly CLONE their drive right G before each trip, in case an X-Ray machine G wipes it or it gets damaged by dropping. G G They leave a clone drive image in a locked G desk drawer or in an IT holding area before G each trip. ------------------------------------------------- G Aspies typically lack common sense, among other things. Now you are just showing your ignorance. *People with Asperger's Syndrome have repetitive behaviors, lack of empathy, difficulty with social interaction.... Why sugar coat it, Glen, they're sociopaths by definition. They're not all happy and positive like TV's "Sheldon Cooper" either! but it has nothing to do with "lack of common sense". *"Aspies" are more often than not very intelligent and have no "common sense" issues. Aspies are called IDIOT/SAVANTS for a reason, Glen. |
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On 11/23/2012 12:24 PM, Greegor wrote:
Greegor: portions snipped To pick a fight with Glen is a pretty good way to have yourself labeled as a troll. As someone who has been on Usenet for something like 12 years and have read quite a few of his posts...he's a pretty knowledgeable and respected person. Note: I, personally am a Linux user and am in no way sticking up for him because he is one of my good, "Microsoft pals". I am just someone who has made a few observations. I agree with your trite simplistic comment, but In actual practice, backup partitiions, especially CLONED system partitions solve about 90% of all problems with messed up Windows. The importance of an off drive image would be Crucial for the INEVITABLE other 10% of the time when more drastic measures are needed. That is a poor observation as there is a 100% chance that the entire drive will fail at some point. No harm in having a backup on a separate partition but I always tell my clients to be sure to back up all important data on a minimum of two totally independent hard drives. Finally there is absolutely nothing wrong about disagreeing with what someone's posts...and I am sure Glen (and all here) welcome differing opinions. As long as the format of your argument is construed in a logical and congenial manner your opinions are completely welcome. However as soon as insults are hurled...the debate is lost... no matter how good the logic may hold up otherwise. |
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"Greegor" wrote in message
... Greegor" wrote in message snip As others have pointed out, that method of freeing space can easily become catastrophic. No, not catastrophic. Removing the $NTUninstall$ folders (which is what the original post was about) only remove the ability to uninstall updates and service packs. Once a good period of time has gone by following installation of those updates and service packs, the need to have to uninstall them dwindles to nothing, and removing the uninstall files does no harm. Are you seriously arguing that to be preferable to replacing or adding hard disk space, Glen? Microsoft and CompTIA should de-license you for that absurdity. I stated absolutely nothing of the kind.... read it again. Nowhere in any of my comments have I stated or implied that it was preferable. Your comment is absurd. If you really want to pare down Windows, you could use nLite, and slipstream it, which would gain you a lot more space, but deleting 100K of uninstall files from an 8 to 10 GB Windows install is perverse, obsessive and actually counterproductive. Where did you come up with 100K?? The $NTUninstall$ files take up in the range of 1.5GB or more. What do you think 1.5 GB costs today, Glen? $2 worth? Wow! You don't buy pieces of a hard drive, you buy the whole thing. Or are you privy to some new way of physically adding a few GB to an existing hard drive? My comments specifically were about someone who cannot afford to replace their working hard drive with a larger one. Do you think a "neurotypical" person would do that rather than add more hard disk space or replace the drive with a larger one, Glen? Yes, if they could not afford a new hard drive and did not want to remove certain other files. This was already mentioned. I have worked on client machines that had a small hard drive in good working order, and the client could not afford to replace the drive at this time. In such cases, every bit of extra space that can be gained can be important. Did they make backups, Glen? Sometimes but not always.... I back up their data or show them how to do so to a CD or USB, depending on what they have available. Backups should not be done to the same drive as the one containing the data. Did you get paid in chickens? I don't charge people who cannot afford it, and in some cases only charge for parts. I use a sliding scale for low-income people, get full price from others and from businesses. How much were you telling them a hard disk would cost? Hard drive prices are readily available through an online search.... look them up. Surely you already know what a new hard drive costs. Just what SIZE of hard disk did this client have? How valuable was their data to them? Varies.... anywhere from 30GB to 80 GB. Everyone's data is valuable to them personally. Did you give them a guarantee? Guarantee on what? My work? Yes. That they won't need a new drive eventually? Obviously not. I image all my customers systems prior to making any major changes, and keep the image on my external drives in case they are needed in the future. Did you get them to sign a WAIVER for doing what you know to be risky substandard work, Glen? Neither risky nor substandard.... no waiver needed. Any hard drive can fail at any time. Making more space on a small drive in good working order is not particularly risky. Removing backups to updates and SP's is also not risky. I have an image of their system before I begin. I would if I had to do something like that. Then those of my clients that are low-income won't be asking for your help.... good for them. Glen As for your comment concerning backups, Glen there is no relationship whatsoever between Glen someone trying to gain disk space and Glen your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. Somebody who would delete 100K of uninstall files on an 8GB+ system install sure sounds to ME like the kind who is short on space, as in too short on space to make backups because they lack common sense enough to replace and enlarge their hard disk. What pray tell does it have to do with backups? Only a fool would create their backups on the same physical drive as the original data.... Yes, a fool or most major manufacturers. : Yes, them too. Just because the OEMs have the restoration partition on the same, and usually only, hard drive as the OS doesn't mean it's a good idea. When the dive fails, the restoration partition is gone. That's why most OEMs include an imaging app and usually suggest the user make restore discs when they get the new machine. I agree with your trite simplistic comment, but In actual practice, backup partitiions, especially CLONED system partitions solve about 90% of all problems with messed up Windows. I almost never have to use an image backup unless the drive has physically failed and I need to clone from an image to a new drive. I and many of the techs I know can fix most problems with Windows without having to use an image restoration, or even System Restore. I always have images available, but if you know what you are doing you don't often need them. The importance of an off drive image would be Crucial for the INEVITABLE other 10% of the time when more drastic measures are needed. (And what do you know, I didn't overlook that fact in my other post you cited, Glen! Why did you pretend that I did overlook that?) which I see from another of your posts today in this group ( Best Restore Method) is what you foolishly do, by suggesting to create your system image on the same physical drive as your OS and data. Yes, as preferable to the hidden OEM restore partition. I distinctly remembered suggesting cloning to other drives. Did you miss this part, Glen? No, I didn't... you added that "if possible" you would *also* make a backup to an external drive.... your primary comment was about cloning to another partition on the same drive as the OS and data. That is what I clearly referred to. I'm beginning to think you have a reading comprehension problem, but perhaps English is not your first language and you missed some of this... if that's the case, I will try to be more clear if I can. G Aspies typically lack common sense, among other things. Now you are just showing your ignorance. People with Asperger's Syndrome have repetitive behaviors, lack of empathy, difficulty with social interaction.... Why sugar coat it, Glen, they're sociopaths by definition. They're not all happy and positive like TV's "Sheldon Cooper" either! Sociopaths, eh? You are really showing your ignorance of the subject now. Have you worked with people with Asperger's? but it has nothing to do with "lack of common sense". "Aspies" are more often than not very intelligent and have no "common sense" issues. Aspies are called IDIOT/SAVANTS for a reason, Glen. Except they are not. A savant (autistic savant, or idiot savant as you put it) is distinct from a person with Asperger's. Although they both fall into the autistic spectrum of disorders, only about 10% of people with Asperger's are savants. People with Asperger's often have "above average IQ, unusual interest and capability in natural sciences, complex calculations, computer programming or other areas of expertise which can be extensive and expansive; marked genetic roots with strong family histories of similar or related traits; early, rather than delayed, language and word recognition skills; poor motor coordination; and a generally higher level of social functioning than seen in Autistic persons but still with unusual, peculiar and naive social interactions." ** ** http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/...fert#aspergers "Naive social interactions" does not equal "sociopath". -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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On Nov 23, 5:49*pm, "glee" wrote:
"Greegor" wrote in message ... Greegor" wrote in message snip As others have pointed out, that method of freeing space can easily become catastrophic. No, not catastrophic. Removing the $NTUninstall$ folders (which is what the original post was about) only remove the ability to uninstall updates and service packs. Once a good period of time has gone by following installation of those updates and service packs, the need to have to uninstall them dwindles to nothing, and removing the uninstall files does no harm. Are you seriously arguing that to be preferable to replacing or adding hard disk space, Glen? Microsoft and CompTIA should de-license you for that absurdity. I stated absolutely nothing of the kind.... read it again. *Nowhere in any of my comments have I stated or implied that it was preferable. Your comment is absurd. You defended the deletion of undelete files to recover space. If you really want to pare down Windows, you could use nLite, and slipstream it, which would gain you a lot more space, but deleting 100K of uninstall files from an 8 to 10 GB Windows install is perverse, obsessive and actually counterproductive. Where did you come up with 100K?? The $NTUninstall$ files take up in the range of 1.5GB or more. What do you think 1.5 GB costs today, Glen? * $2 worth? Wow! You don't buy pieces of a hard drive, you buy the whole thing. *Or are you privy to some new way of physically adding a few GB to an existing hard drive? *My comments specifically were about someone who cannot afford to replace their working hard drive with a larger one. I have done a fair amount of salvaging and repurposing old or castoff computers myself, Glen. If somebody was really that much of a charity case then I would give them another old drive before I would delete their uninstall files. Do you think a "neurotypical" person would do that rather than add more hard disk space or replace the drive with a larger one, Glen? Yes, if they could not afford a new hard drive and did not want to remove certain other files. This was already mentioned. I have worked on client machines that had a small hard drive in good working order, and the client could not afford to replace the drive at this time. In such cases, every bit of extra space that can be gained can be important. Did they make backups, Glen? Sometimes but not always.... I back up their data or show them how to do so to a CD or USB, depending on what they have available. *Backups should not be done to the same drive as the one containing the data. Obviously not if they have mission critical data that isn't always backed up... I stopped telling people to back up to CDROMs long ago. Corporate or home user, most people DO NOT make backups to CD. Hardly anybody actually does it, even if you tell them how important it is. External USB hard disk is more likely, but just barely, in practice. Did you get paid in chickens? I don't charge people who cannot afford it, and in some cases only charge for parts. *I use a sliding scale for low-income people, get full price from others and from businesses. We have at least one local charitable organization that tunes up corporate castoff computers and gives them to non-profits and individuals who are genuine charity cases. How much were you telling them a hard disk would cost? Hard drive prices are readily available through an online search.... look them up. *Surely you already know what a new hard drive costs. Twice now when I said hard disk drive you added "new". Just what SIZE of hard disk did this client have? How valuable was their data to them? Varies.... anywhere from 30GB to 80 GB. *Everyone's data is valuable to them personally. So you thought that on a 30 to 80 GB drive it was smart to delete Windows uninstall files? Did you give them a guarantee? Guarantee on what? *My work? Yes. *That they won't need a new drive eventually? *Obviously not. *I image all my customers systems prior to making any major changes, and keep the image on my external drives in case they are needed in the future. Did you get them to sign a WAIVER for doing what you know to be risky substandard work, Glen? Neither risky nor substandard.... no waiver needed. *Any hard drive can fail at any time. *Making more space on a small drive in good working order is not particularly risky. *Removing backups to updates and SP's is also not risky. *I have an image of their system before I begin. Why would you do that if you think they already have backups? I would if I had to do something like that. Then those of my clients that are low-income won't be asking for your help.... good for them. As I mentioned above, there is a local outfit that refurbs corporate castoffs and gives them to charitable outfits or people who are genuine charity cases. I have trouble validating charity cases. I've seen both well off people pretending they can't afford a new hard disk drive, and I've seen truly bad off people who are that way because of addiction or wierd priorities or just got a castoff computer and want to get me to fix it up so they can sell it to feed their bad behavior. Glen As for your comment concerning backups, Glen there is no relationship whatsoever between Glen someone trying to gain disk space and Glen your claim that such a person doesn't do backups. Somebody who would delete 100K of uninstall files on an 8GB+ system install sure sounds to ME like the kind who is short on space, as in too short on space to make backups because they lack common sense enough to replace and enlarge their hard disk. What pray tell does it have to do with backups? Only a fool would create their backups on the same physical drive as the original data.... Yes, a fool or most major manufacturers. * *: Yes, them too. *Just because the OEMs have the restoration partition on the same, and usually only, hard drive as the OS doesn't mean it's a good idea. *When the dive fails, the restoration partition is gone. That's why most OEMs include an imaging app and usually suggest the user make restore discs when they get the new machine. I agree with most of this except you should know that there are lots of people who need to reinstall windows MANY times before their hard disk DIES. Of course a detached clone backup is necessary. A dead drive or bad virus infection necessitate that. But a cloned system partition can solve most messed up windows installs and MUCH quicker and easier than rebuilding the system from a detached hard drive. I agree with your trite simplistic comment, but In actual practice, backup partitiions, especially CLONED system partitions solve about 90% of all problems with messed up Windows. I almost never have to use an image backup unless the drive has physically failed and I need to clone from an image to a new drive. *I and many of the techs I know can fix most problems with Windows without having to use an image restoration, or even System Restore. *I always have images available, but if you know what you are doing you don't often need them. How do you fix a garbaged up registry, Glen? The importance of an off drive image would be Crucial for the INEVITABLE other 10% of the time when more drastic measures are needed. (And what do you know, I didn't overlook that fact in my other post you cited, Glen! *Why did you pretend that I did overlook that?) which I see from another of your posts today in this group ( Best Restore Method) is what you foolishly do, by suggesting to create your system image on the same physical drive as your OS and data. Yes, as preferable to the hidden OEM restore partition. I distinctly remembered suggesting cloning to other drives. *Did you miss this part, Glen? No, I didn't... you added that "if possible" you would *also* make a backup to an external drive.... your primary comment was about cloning to another partition on the same drive as the OS and data. *That is what I clearly referred to. *I'm beginning to think you have a reading comprehension problem, but perhaps English is not your first language and you missed some of this... if that's the case, I will try to be more clear if I can. Well at least you're not accusing me of having those savant superpowers! G Aspies typically lack common sense, among other things. Now you are just showing your ignorance. People with Asperger's Syndrome have repetitive behaviors, lack of empathy, difficulty with social interaction.... Why sugar coat it, Glen, they're sociopaths by definition. They're not all happy and positive like TV's "Sheldon Cooper" either! Sociopaths, eh? *You are really showing your ignorance of the subject now. *Have you worked with people with Asperger's? I've come to believe that half the users on usenet are Aspies! The very culture of usenet shows some signs of having been formed by the Aspies population on usenet. but it has nothing to do with "lack of common sense". "Aspies" are more often than not very intelligent and have no "common sense" issues. Aspies are called IDIOT/SAVANTS for a reason, Glen. Except they are not. *A savant (autistic savant, or idiot savant as you put it) is distinct from a person with Asperger's. *Although they both fall into the autistic spectrum of disorders, only about 10% of people with Asperger's are savants. *People with Asperger's often have "above average IQ, unusual interest and capability in natural sciences, complex calculations, computer programming or other areas of expertise which can be extensive and expansive; marked genetic roots with strong family histories of similar or related traits; early, rather than delayed, language and word recognition skills; poor motor coordination; and a generally higher level of social functioning than seen in Autistic persons but still with unusual, peculiar and naive social interactions." ** **http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/...=Darold%20Tref.... "Naive social interactions" does not equal "sociopath". You cited an ADVOCACY group, Glen, not a textbook. 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Asperger's, are too prejudiced and idiotic for me to spend any more time responding to your drivel. Enjoy yourself. This is one of a number of threads that were posted only in the microsoft.public.windowsxp.general group and answered there with a series of replies, BEFORE you added a reply later, with excessive cross-posting, which leaves all the cross-posted groups without any of the previous responses. As in the other cases, the thread was answered long before your cross-posted reply. There is no reason for you to do that except for self-aggrandizement. Go back under your bridge. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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... Always appreciated your advice, and I see you are still being very logical. Have a Happy Thanksgiving! Buffalo PS: I may soon have to upgrade from my dual boot Win98SE and Win2000ProSP4 systems. I'm not sure if I want to go to the 64bit Win7 or maybe just upgrade to the 32bit WinXP-SP3. SSD's are another concern of mine. (excessive cross-posting removed) Nice to "see" you again! Happy Holidays! There are good and bad points to either OS. Have you considered dual-booting XP and Seven, or installing Seven and running XP in a virtual environment (Virtual PC)? SSDs are very fast.... and relatively expensive per GB. I personally can't afford them.... a smaller SSD would only hold my OS and programs, I'd still need a SATA drive for my data... not worth it for me at this time. Note that the smaller the SSD is in capacity, the shorter its life. This is most noticeable in netbooks that came with extremely small SSD drives. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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