Yahoo may have let the government spy on emails. Now will we embraceencryption?

in a blockbuster scoop, Reuters’ Joseph Menn is reporting that
Yahoo secretly built a software program in 2015 that scanned all
its millions of customers’ incoming emails at the behest of US
intelligence officials, which led to its chief security officer
resigning in protest.

It's time for Yahoo to die.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../oct/04/yahoo-
email-spy-encryption

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On 2016-10-05 9:36 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
in a blockbuster scoop, Reuters’ Joseph Menn is reporting that
Yahoo secretly built a software program in 2015 that scanned all
its millions of customers’ incoming emails at the behest of US
intelligence officials, which led to its chief security officer
resigning in protest.

It's time for Yahoo to die.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../oct/04/yahoo-
email-spy-encryption

It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like Gmail,
Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_ for your
e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to treat your privacy
as a priority.

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On 10/05/2016 10:17 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2016-10-05 9:36 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
in a blockbuster scoop, Reuters’ Joseph Menn is reporting that
Yahoo secretly built a software program in 2015 that scanned all
its millions of customers’ incoming emails at the behest of US
intelligence officials, which led to its chief security officer
resigning in protest.

It's time for Yahoo to die.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../oct/04/yahoo-
email-spy-encryption

It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like Gmail,
Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_ for your
e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to treat your privacy
as a priority.



The odd part is, that if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?

So the real question: why do these outfits give free email accounts?

Answer: So that the govnt. can see what you are doing a lot easier.

I suspect that these outfits are subsidized by the gov.
all in the name of national security.

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like Gmail,
Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_ for your
e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to treat your privacy
as a priority.

What is "proprietary" about the mail servers used by Gmail, Hotmail,
Yahoo, etc? They use standard smpt/pop2/imap servers.

Even if you host your own mail server it does not guarantee privacy
because you do not control the servers your message is routed through to
get your message to your recipient. You would have to use encryption
before sending it and your recipient must have your public key... The
network in between is not private.

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Take care,

Jonathan
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LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

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On 2016-10-05 1:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 10:17 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 2016-10-05 9:36 AM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
in a blockbuster scoop, Reuters’ Joseph Menn is reporting that
Yahoo secretly built a software program in 2015 that scanned
all its millions of customers’ incoming emails at the behest of
US intelligence officials, which led to its chief security
officer resigning in protest.

It's time for Yahoo to die.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti.../oct/04/yahoo-
email-spy-encryption

It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like
Gmail, Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_ for
your e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to treat
your privacy as a priority.



The odd part is, that if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the
email service that you've already paid for?

In my case being the ISP's e-mail service uses Hotmail as a provider
and has a lame domain name. I feel better knowing that my e-mail is
hosted in Iceland and that whether I log into it from a mail client or
by the web, I can decrypt and encrypt all communications.

So the real question: why do these outfits give free email
accounts?

Answer: So that the govnt. can see what you are doing a lot
easier.

I suspect that these outfits are subsidized by the gov. all in the
name of national security.

Absolutely. There's no doubt about it and anyone who says otherwise is
simply foolish his or herself. However, even these free services can
be used within a mail client which supports PGP so you can force
encryption even though the provider doesn't allow you to. For them,
SSL is all of the encryption you would ever need (ie: none).

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On 2016-10-05 2:01 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like
Gmail, Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_ for
your e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to treat
your privacy as a priority.

What is "proprietary" about the mail servers used by Gmail,
Hotmail, Yahoo, etc? They use standard smpt/pop2/imap servers.

I meant proprietary in that GMail, Hotmail and Yahoo Mail belong to a
corporation, not to a user. In addition to that, they feel as though
the e-mails themselves belong to them rather than to the user.

Even if you host your own mail server it does not guarantee
privacy because you do not control the servers your message is
routed through to get your message to your recipient. You would
have to use encryption before sending it and your recipient must
have your public key... The network in between is not private.

Which is what I do and what Unseen.is allows me to do as well.

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Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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On 10/05/2016 1:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
The odd part is, that if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?
That sounds good but if you are a customer of the ATT family of ISP's
then you automatically use Yahoo mail, under a nom de plume

On 10/5/2016 4:45 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 10/05/2016 1:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
The odd part is, that if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?
That sounds good but if you are a customer of the ATT family of ISP's
then you automatically use Yahoo mail, under a nom de plume

The lack of choice is for most 'generic' ISPs, but that doesn't mean
that the user is limited to the included mail servers. Those that own a
domain have many other options available.

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Best regards,

Neil

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like Gmail,
Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_ for your
e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to treat your privacy
as a priority.

What is "proprietary" about the mail servers used by Gmail, Hotmail,
Yahoo, etc? They use standard smpt/pop2/imap servers.

Even if you host your own mail server it does not guarantee privacy
because you do not control the servers your message is routed through to
get your message to your recipient. You would have to use encryption
before sending it and your recipient must have your public key... The
network in between is not private.

Absolutely. No matter which path your messages take, they are read and
analyzed. That's no secret. And it's what you deserve if you aren't
interested in countermeasures. You'd only have the right to blame all
these evil ISPs if there won't be methods to protect your privacy and
anonymity. But these methods are there for many many years waiting to
be used. So blame on you and no one but you, all you lazy *******s!

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On 2016-10-05 6:35 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Silver Slimer wrote:
It's time for people to stop using proprietary services like
Gmail, Hotmail or Yahoo Mail actually. If you're not _paying_
for your e-mail, the company has no obligation whatsoever to
treat your privacy as a priority.

What is "proprietary" about the mail servers used by Gmail,
Hotmail, Yahoo, etc? They use standard smpt/pop2/imap servers.

Even if you host your own mail server it does not guarantee
privacy because you do not control the servers your message is
routed through to get your message to your recipient. You would
have to use encryption before sending it and your recipient must
have your public key... The network in between is not private.

Absolutely. No matter which path your messages take, they are read
and analyzed. That's no secret. And it's what you deserve if you
aren't interested in countermeasures. You'd only have the right to
blame all these evil ISPs if there won't be methods to protect your
privacy and anonymity. But these methods are there for many many
years waiting to be used. So blame on you and no one but you, all
you lazy *******s!

+1. GnuPG is free and works rather well in clients like Thunderbird.
People have _no_ excuse not to use it.


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Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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On 10/5/2016 10:33 AM, GreyCloud wrote:

if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?

I have a choice of several ISPs. I change depending on the deal offered.
Changing my email address every time I changed ISPs would be a PITA. I
imagine that would also apply to those who relocate.

On 10/05/2016 02:45 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 10/05/2016 1:33 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
The odd part is, that if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?
That sounds good but if you are a customer of the ATT family of ISP's
then you automatically use Yahoo mail, under a nom de plume

I suspected that things have migrated that way. My ISP has its own mail
system and it is rather nice. They chucked out the news server and I
had to use eternal september.
I'm glad I don't have ATT tho.

On 10/05/2016 05:47 PM, AL wrote:
On 10/5/2016 10:33 AM, GreyCloud wrote:

if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?

I have a choice of several ISPs. I change depending on the deal offered.
Changing my email address every time I changed ISPs would be a PITA. I
imagine that would also apply to those who relocate.


That may be where you live, but I only have two choices...
Charter Cable or Century Links DSL. I'm using Charter which is giving
me an average of 33Mb speeds vs Century Links 256k DSL.

On 10/5/2016 5:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 05:47 PM, AL wrote:
On 10/5/2016 10:33 AM, GreyCloud wrote:

if you are paying for an ISP, whynot use the email
service that you've already paid for?

I have a choice of several ISPs. I change depending on the deal offered.
Changing my email address every time I changed ISPs would be a PITA. I
imagine that would also apply to those who relocate.


That may be where you live, but I only have two choices...

Your situation is sad perhaps, but your question I responded to: "If you
are paying for an ISP, why not use the email service that you've already
paid for?" obviously wasn't about you. I ASSumed that you wondered why
some of us would use those nasty big corporation email providers instead
of our own ISPs email service.

Silver Slimer wrote:

On 2016-10-05 6:35 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:

Absolutely. No matter which path your messages take, they are read
and analyzed. That's no secret. And it's what you deserve if you
aren't interested in countermeasures. You'd only have the right to
blame all these evil ISPs if there won't be methods to protect your
privacy and anonymity. But these methods are there for many many
years waiting to be used. So blame on you and no one but you, all
you lazy *******s!

+1. GnuPG is free and works rather well in clients like Thunderbird.
People have _no_ excuse not to use it.

And for anonymity there's the OmniMix package (GnuPG/Mixmaster/Tor),
with a Linux port still missing.