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Is it true that if you have a router with Windows firewall you have a pseudo
firewall built in to your system? I heard that the router itself acts as a firewall. But I don't know if this is true. Educate me? |
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go to start/run, and type:
CMD At that prompt, type: IPCONFIG note the "Default Gateway" address It may be http://192.168.0.1 , (and if it is, clicking this link will open your router software, and let you see your firewall settings.) If you don't know the id/pass you need, Google for that router's default id/pass. (admin/admin?) -- Mark L. Ferguson .. "Umma Gumma" wrote in message ... Is it true that if you have a router with Windows firewall you have a pseudo firewall built in to your system? I heard that the router itself acts as a firewall. But I don't know if this is true. Educate me? |
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Umma Gumma wrote:
Is it true that if you have a router with Windows firewall you have a pseudo firewall built in to your system? Well, yes, in a manner of speaking. The built-in WinXp "firewall" is sort of a pseudo-firewall; the router has nothing to do with that. I heard that the router itself acts as a firewall. But I don't know if this is true. Educate me? If you use a router with NAT, it's still a very good idea to use a 3rd party software firewall. Like WinXP's built-in firewall, NAT-capable routers do nothing to protect the user from him/herself (or any "curious," over-confident teenagers in the home). Again -- and I cannot emphasize this enough -- almost all spyware and many Trojans and worms are downloaded and installed deliberately (albeit unknowingly) by the user. So a software firewall, such as Sygate or ZoneAlarm, that can detect and warn the user of unauthorized out-going traffic is an important element of protecting one's privacy and security, alerting you to an unwanted malware application's activity. (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) I use both a router with NAT and Sygate Personal Firewall, even though I generally know better than to install scumware. When it comes to computer security and protecting my privacy, I prefer the old "belt and suspenders" approach. In the professional IT community, this is also known as a "layered defense." Basically, it comes down to never, ever "putting all of your eggs in one basket." -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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"Mark L. Ferguson" wrote in message
... go to start/run, and type: CMD At that prompt, type: IPCONFIG note the "Default Gateway" address It may be http://192.168.0.1 , (and if it is, clicking this link will open your router software, and let you see your firewall settings.) If you don't know the id/pass you need, Google for that router's default id/pass. (admin/admin?) -- Mark L. Ferguson . Thanks Mark. Been there, done that. Repeatedly. I give it admin/admin for password. Or blank. Whatever. It won't let me in! |
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
... Umma Gumma wrote: Is it true that if you have a router with Windows firewall you have a pseudo firewall built in to your system? ..snip. If you use a router with NAT, it's still a very good idea to use a 3rd party software firewall. Like WinXP's built-in firewall, NAT-capable routers do nothing to protect the user from him/herself (or any "curious," over-confident teenagers in the home). Again -- and I cannot emphasize this enough -- almost all spyware and many Trojans and worms are downloaded and installed deliberately (albeit unknowingly) by the user. So a software firewall, such as Sygate or ZoneAlarm, that can detect and warn the user of unauthorized out-going traffic is an important element of protecting one's privacy and security, alerting you to an unwanted malware application's activity. (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) I use both a router with NAT and Sygate Personal Firewall, even though I generally know better than to install scumware. When it comes to computer security and protecting my privacy, I prefer the old "belt and suspenders" approach. In the professional IT community, this is also known as a "layered defense." Basically, it comes down to never, ever "putting all of your eggs in one basket." -- Bruce Chambers Thanks Bruce. I do use XP's firewall plus F-Secure. It's rebranded by my ISP as Shaw Secure. Works. I DID lower all firewalls and such when I was trying to establish a home network (still working on that one). And you know what? In the space of ten minutes they got in. I'm under a constant barrage of the stuff. I think it's because I'm on cable and my IP is static. |
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Umma Gumma wrote:
"Mark L. Ferguson" wrote in message ... go to start/run, and type: CMD At that prompt, type: IPCONFIG note the "Default Gateway" address It may be http://192.168.0.1 , (and if it is, clicking this link will open your router software, and let you see your firewall settings.) If you don't know the id/pass you need, Google for that router's default id/pass. (admin/admin?) -- Mark L. Ferguson . Thanks Mark. Been there, done that. Repeatedly. I give it admin/admin for password. Or blank. Whatever. It won't let me in! On mine, it's blank, then admin. What is the make and model of your router? |
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
... (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. |
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Kayman wrote:
"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. Wrong. The free version of AntiVir (and most other antiviruses, AFAIK) do *not* scan for spyware/adware. See: http://www.free-av.com/antivirclassic/index.html |
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"Daave" wrote in message
... Kayman wrote: "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. Wrong. The free version of AntiVir (and most other antiviruses, AFAIK) do *not* scan for spyware/adware. See: Courtesy Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Q: Do you think that the free AV can be really as efficient that the other ones? A: Absolutely. In fact, when it comes to real efficiency, the ability to scan accurately for viruses without getting in the way of the rest of the computer's functions, some of the free ones are more efficient than some of the most expensive. For instance, Norton and McAfee, and even Trend Micro in some packages, are among the most *inefficient* applications out there, whereas Avast!, AVG, and other free offerings are among the most efficient. After that, it's a question of the definitions used, and whether or not they're free has absolutely no bearing on those stats. -- Understand, many of the best offerings are offered to home users for free by huge companies that make their money serving business and industry clients, and their logic is that the more home machines they can get protected, preventing them from becoming zombies that distribute malware, the better off business and industry are. |
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Kayman wrote:
"Daave" wrote in message ... Kayman wrote: "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. Wrong. The free version of AntiVir (and most other antiviruses, AFAIK) do *not* scan for spyware/adware. See: Courtesy Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Q: Do you think that the free AV can be really as efficient that the other ones? A: Absolutely. In fact, when it comes to real efficiency, the ability to scan accurately for viruses without getting in the way of the rest of the computer's functions, some of the free ones are more efficient than some of the most expensive. For instance, Norton and McAfee, and even Trend Micro in some packages, are among the most *inefficient* applications out there, whereas Avast!, AVG, and other free offerings are among the most efficient. After that, it's a question of the definitions used, and whether or not they're free has absolutely no bearing on those stats. So? That doesn't contradict what Bruce wrote at all. Gary's talking about viruses, and Bruce is talking about spyware and adware. |
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"Daave" wrote in message
... Kayman wrote: "Daave" wrote in message ... Kayman wrote: "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. Wrong. The free version of AntiVir (and most other antiviruses, AFAIK) do *not* scan for spyware/adware. See: Courtesy Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Q: Do you think that the free AV can be really as efficient that the other ones? A: Absolutely. In fact, when it comes to real efficiency, the ability to scan accurately for viruses without getting in the way of the rest of the computer's functions, some of the free ones are more efficient than some of the most expensive. For instance, Norton and McAfee, and even Trend Micro in some packages, are among the most *inefficient* applications out there, whereas Avast!, AVG, and other free offerings are among the most efficient. After that, it's a question of the definitions used, and whether or not they're free has absolutely no bearing on those stats. So? That doesn't contradict what Bruce wrote at all. Gary's talking about viruses, and Bruce is talking about spyware and adware. Of course |
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:48:00 -0400, "Daave"
wrote: Kayman wrote: "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... (Remember: Most antivirus applications do not even scan for or protect you from adware/spyware, because, after all, you've installed them yourself, so you must want them there, right?) Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. Wrong. The free version of AntiVir (and most other antiviruses, AFAIK) do *not* scan for spyware/adware. See: http://www.free-av.com/antivirclassic/index.html I use the free Avast , and twice it`s told me of suspicious newsgroup articles which I`ve then deleted before they get to my newsreader . Jim |
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Kayman wrote:
Nonsense. If you 'force-install' malware even (free) AV applications such as AntiVir or AOL's AVS will detect and prompt for appropriate action. News Flash: Not all malware is of the "virus" variety, so anti-virus applications are useless against much of it. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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Kayman wrote:
Courtesy Gary S. Terhune MS MVP Shell/User Q: Do you think that the free AV can be really as efficient that the other ones? A: Absolutely. In fact, when it comes to real efficiency, the ability to scan accurately for viruses without getting in the way of the rest of the computer's functions, some of the free ones are more efficient than some of the most expensive. For instance, Norton and McAfee, and even Trend Micro in some packages, are among the most *inefficient* applications out there, whereas Avast!, AVG, and other free offerings are among the most efficient. After that, it's a question of the definitions used, and whether or not they're free has absolutely no bearing on those stats. You do realize that that passage isn't even relevant, don't you? Not all malware is of the "virus" variety. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell |
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