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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
Here is another post sent both to the XP and 10 groups.
I'm using XP while on this trip, which ends Sunday, but I have the very strong feelling that this problem will apply to XP and 10 and everything in between, and probably win11 and 12 too. To be fair, it's probably a mozilla browser problem, and maybe I'll ask there when I get home and have a different Usenet setup, but you folks should know about it in advance so you don't get caught up short like I was. Scattered parts of the story relate to Android -- not too much, but I included youse guys anyhow. The problem: Webpages from google maps in satellite view saved in Sea Monkey or Firefox^^ cannot be displayed again as they were saved. Long story but you can skip to **** to read the punch line. ^^Save Page, or Save Page As -- ctrl-S During my vacation tirip, I was looking for a road on the side of a hill in the middle of the countryside that I saw from a distance 27 years ago, that I was told a story about at that time, and that I then found on google satellite view after I got home. On my first try two weeks ago, I just went by memory, and the fact that the road was a bright white concrete highway (that was abandoned after it was built), and I drove about 2 miles on rocky dirt roads near the base of the hill, but couldn't find the road! I had my laptop with me, but no internet cable or wifi existed on the road I was on or in this area I had google maps on my Android phone and I had preloaded the map, but what I didn't realize is that that is only the map. If you want satellite view, you need a live internet connection, and even though I had bought a data plan, I had also bought the wrong phone and I didnt' have the right frequency for 3G, and insteadl of just taking longer, it seems to always get tired of waiting for 2G and it gives up entirely. There is also, it seems, no way to preload the satellite view of google maps to have it when out of Internet range. Either on the phone or on a laptop. (It is possible to buy a mobile (cellular) router (Mifi) but I probably would have gotten the wrong frequency there too.) **** So I went back to where I was staying, 2 hours away, and I used Sea Monkey/Google maps/satellite view to find the area again. I drew myself a paper map based on that, but then I had the great idea to Save As the webpage. I saved about 10 different views, some zoomed in, some zoomed out, And then I went back to that hill with the laptop and when I got there I brought up the views and they were all totally black. I thought I had fouled up so I drove a mile to, of all places, a McDonald's that was still closed at 9AM but their wifi worked. I carry a pillow that I put between the steering wheel and me and it makes it easy to use the laptop. I brought up Firefox and found the same views, saved them, and then displayed them in my default browswer, Sea Monkey, still all black. So I displayed them in Firefox. Still all black. I did not try the fourth possibility, to display in Firefox those saved with Sea Monkey, but i'm sure it wouldn't not work either. So why doesn't it work? And how does one make it work? My versions of both Sea Monkey and Firefox are less than 3 months old. Surely win10 won't do a better job of this than XP does. Finally I remembered the paper map and I drove my tiny rented Kia for 200 yards on a road that was mostly grass and wheat stubble, another 200 yards up a hill where the grass was 2 feet high between the tires, until the car pushed it down, and another 400 yards up a steeper rocky dirt road before I looked down and noticed the dirt road was bright while. And that was the road I was looking for. It had never been a paved road, only a dirt road, seen from a couple miles away. So I turned around and did something else for the rest of the day. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot bere-displayed
On 5/24/2017 7:34 AM, Micky wrote:
he problem: Webpages from google maps in satellite view saved in Sea Monkey or Firefox^^ cannot be displayed again as they were saved. Long story but you can skip to **** to read the punch line. ^^Save Page, or Save Page As -- ctrl-S When I do that in Windows 10 FF 53 I get a blank screen when I reload the HTML document with the Wireless turned off. I assumed the problem was that a google map was more of a "Live" display that the static display of an HTML document. In similar situations I have got the view that I want by using the Screen Capture. I usually do several ( wide, near and close up), and save each view as a jpg. In this way regardless of where I need the information it is always available. It has the further benefit that in an image processing program I can add lines, arrows, and text to help fined what I was viewing. ie street address, picture, etc I have also had limited success in using Google Earth instead of the browser based Google Maps. Earth caches the data you use when you look at a map, so for the area you last visited you have the images when you work off line. -- 2017: The year we lean to play the great game of Euchre |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Wed, 24 May 2017 14:34:07 +0300, Micky wrote:
And how does one make it work? You *don't* "make it work". You do something else, that *does* work: e.g., a screen scrape. For the whole screen, press Shift-PrtScr, or for just the active window, Alt-PrtScr; then open up your favorite graphic editor (Paint, even), and paste what you captured into it, and save. Don't like screen scrapes? OK, print the page you're looking at to a PDF printer. Gets you a PDF file you can see in Adobe, or any other PDF reader. Anyway, in what file format were you doing your Save As? .XPS? (That's a MS-selected "default" printer that I've not been able to remove as default. Dreadful choice, if that, for it tries to take you back to the web page you were looking at before it can show you anything at all (in my unpleasant experiences with it). Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
In message , tlvp
writes: [] You *don't* "make it work". You do something else, that *does* work: e.g., a screen scrape. For the whole screen, press Shift-PrtScr, or for just the active window, Alt-PrtScr; then open up your favorite graphic editor (Paint, even), and paste what you captured into it, and save. [] +1 on Alt-PrtScr, since lots of people seem not to know about it. But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from PrtScr on its own? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12 |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from PrtScr on its own? I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically. OK? Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
In message , tlvp
writes: On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from PrtScr on its own? I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically. OK? Cheers, -- tlvp Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely. - Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15 |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:21:09 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , tlvp writes: On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from PrtScr on its own? I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically. OK? Cheers, -- tlvp Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back. YvW. BTW, have you any idea what that SysRq function should be? 30 years at this and I've still not yet come to grips with that :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
In message , tlvp
writes: On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:21:09 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , tlvp writes: On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from PrtScr on its own? I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically. OK? Cheers, -- tlvp Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back. YvW. BTW, have you any idea what that SysRq function should be? 30 years at this and I've still not yet come to grips with that :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp No! Well, _any_ idea - I've always had a vague feeling it - like the "Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial communications (on RS232 or even its predecessor). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf That's how he [Dr. Who] seems to me. He's always been someone who gets the /Guardian/. There are some parts of the universe where it's harder to get hold of. - Peter Capaldi (current incumbent Doctor), RT 2016/11/26-12/2 |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Sat, 27 May 2017 02:10:38 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
"Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial communications That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow, and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC. Break, instead, drew the modem line down, to signal a total stop, to break the comm's connection. These days, I think, those keys'll still do that, if you've got communications over a modem being controlled in a terminal program, but few even among us geezers have occasion to use proper dial-up modems any more. But SysRq? ??? :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp -- Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Sat, 27 May 2017 01:23:41 -0400, tlvp wrote:
"Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial communications That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow, and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC. Break, instead, drew the modem line down, to signal a total stop, to break the comm's connection. These days, I think, those keys'll still do that, if you've got communications over a modem being controlled in a terminal program, but few even among us geezers have occasion to use proper dial-up modems any more. But SysRq? ??? :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp You could Google it; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_request -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:57:12 -0400, tlvp
wrote: On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:21:09 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , tlvp writes: On Thu, 25 May 2017 20:22:50 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: But I've not come across Shift-PrtScr befo how does that differ from PrtScr on its own? I have at least one system for which PrtScr on its own does nothing (or maybe it does a SysRq, which is what's inscribed on the lower half of the keycap whose upper half says PrtScr), but requires Shift-PrtScr before the whole screen gets successfully copied for future pasting. On other systems I've encountered, the two seem to function quite identically. OK? Cheers, -- tlvp Yes; I just wondered! Thanks for coming back. YvW. BTW, have you any idea what that SysRq function should be? 30 years at this and I've still not yet come to grips with that :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp Everyone knows you've got to go along to get along, and you have to know how to play the system. So once you're in good witth the system, you can make a request, and pushing that key is how you do it. Pause OTOH, besides the things mentioned, will stop a dos command or a bat file, at least in places where it can be stopped. I've done it once but I don't remember what command was running. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Sat, 27 May 2017 07:04:49 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
wrote: On Sat, 27 May 2017 01:23:41 -0400, tlvp wrote: "Pause" on the key next to it - was (is?) something to do with serial communications That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow, and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC. Break, instead, drew the modem line down, to signal a total stop, to break the comm's connection. These days, I think, those keys'll still do that, if you've got communications over a modem being controlled in a terminal program, but few even among us geezers have occasion to use proper dial-up modems any more. But SysRq? ??? :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp You could Google it; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_request Harumph. I'd rather speculate. |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
In message , tlvp
writes: [] That certainly yes -- Pause delivered an X_off byte ^S to stop data flow, and I then had to push ^Q to resume it (mnemonic: "Quontinue"), when doing modem communications in a Comm's program on a PC. [] Ah, your mnemonic takes me back - to instructions for a VERY old terminal; I think it must have been a mechanical teletype keyboard, that _didn't have a delete key_: you typed shift O to delete. (So it must have been upper-case only, too, with the shift key being like a control or function key.) The instructions instructed one to think "O, shift" if one made a mistake; the penny didn't drop for me until some time after reading it (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Does Barbie come with Ken?" "Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
In message , Micky
writes: [] Pause OTOH, besides the things mentioned, will stop a dos command or a bat file, at least in places where it can be stopped. I've done it once but I don't remember what command was running. Ah, I'd forgotten - or didn't know - about it stopping those. The one place I've found it useful is that (I don't know about modern ones, but) it stops booting, so you can have a look at the BIOS boot information - e. g. to see if this time it is going to see that drive that it sometimes doesn't ... -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Does Barbie come with Ken?" "Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous |
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OT? Satellite view saved in SeaMonkey/Firefox cannot be re-displayed
On Sat, 27 May 2017 11:22:47 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: Ah, your mnemonic takes me back - to instructions for a VERY old terminal; I think it must have been a mechanical teletype keyboard, that _didn't have a delete key_: you typed shift O to delete. (So it must have been upper-case only, too, with the shift key being like a control or function key.) The instructions instructed one to think "O, shift" if one made a mistake; the penny didn't drop for me until some time after reading it (-:! LOL! I must have used the same terminal long ago, but I didn't remember this at all. |
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