The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing

Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My Name)\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all - yet
'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files - but none
are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid of them?

Ron Patterson

They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed. Especially
if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files
3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans C:\Documents
and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes the
temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that
websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files and
folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files |
View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\ ....
are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without
checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think that is
what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) - and thinks
they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that all but the
Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files and don't know
(like me) that they exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything
(like me)? What an eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and
folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could
have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I
could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially
if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete Files
3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents
and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files AND
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it deletes
the
temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies that
websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden files
and
folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet Files
|
View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such as
FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands of files
residing there - (mostly 0-size).
You can also delete them via the Search engine.

--

johnf

OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files without
checking that box did not give the desired result. One would think
that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the temps) -
and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this mean that
all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these superfluous files
and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought they had really
cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and
folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I could
have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view them. I
could not in spite of the setting or any additional information given
here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete
Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete cookies
that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet
Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

john,

I see you're using Outlook Express.

All those 0 byte files, like [1], [2], [3], etc. are from Outlook Express.
Everytime you open an E-mail or newsgroup message one of those 0 byte files
is created. Not to mention all the *.tmp files. I have the three temp
files just from writing this message. wbk3FA.tmp 7 KB, wbk3FC.tmp 7 KB and
wbk3FE.tmp 7 KB. Four now wbk400.tmp 7 KB, I just saved and closed this
message again. :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
johnf hunted and pecked:
If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such
as FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands
of files residing there - (mostly 0-size).
You can also delete them via the Search engine.

--

johnf

OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files
without checking that box did not give the desired result. One
would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all
the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does
this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these
superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or
thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an
eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files
and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If
I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one
view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional
information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete
Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete
cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet
Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them
all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382
files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

Ron,

Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean
anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is
the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook
Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up.

I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet
connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant
something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable.

Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5.

As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do
things.

You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet
Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\
Content.MSO

No need for third party tools to view the folders/files.

I have a shortcut to:
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
On my Desktop.

If you don't check: � Delete all offline content, only the Temporary
Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet
Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned.

However your
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large.

This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but
tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's another
chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat

As a side note.

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5

As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors."

There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary
Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-)

I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really have
to read many sources.

Here's a fairly good one.

Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files
without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would
think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the
temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this
mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these
superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought
they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and
folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I
could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view
them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional
information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete
Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete
cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet
Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

Thanks, Wes, I often wondered where those 0-byte ones came from. Yep, I only
use IE for NG's, Outlook for mail.

IE is a pain for amassing hidden files. I should have woken up yesterday
when I was cleaning up a friend's PC.

She insisted on my installing Incredimail for her (against my wishes),
doesn't have Outlook, so had been using IE for email.
IE had only 3 mails in the Inbox - all other folders 'empty', then I
happened to check in -
"C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\xxxxx}\Microsoft\Outlook Express"

What did I find there? .DBX files = Sent Items (230MB), Outbox (230MB),
Deleted Items (235MB)

Back to IE, "Files/Folders/Compact all folders" pulled them all back to
~60KB (700MB HDD space recovered)
So much for 'empty' folders. I was also able to open those .DBX files with
Textpad and read all mails sent & received for the previous 12 months.

So much for using IE as your mail program.

--

johnf

john,

I see you're using Outlook Express.

All those 0 byte files, like [1], [2], [3], etc. are from Outlook
Express. Everytime you open an E-mail or newsgroup message one of those
0 byte files is created. Not to mention all the *.tmp files. I have
the three temp files just from writing this message. wbk3FA.tmp 7 KB,
wbk3FC.tmp 7 KB and wbk3FE.tmp 7 KB. Four now wbk400.tmp 7 KB, I just
saved and closed this message again. :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
johnf hunted and pecked:
If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such
as FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands
of files residing there - (mostly 0-size).
You can also delete them via the Search engine.

--

johnf

OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files
without checking that box did not give the desired result. One
would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all
the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does
this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these
superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or
thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an
eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files
and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If
I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one
view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional
information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete
Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete
cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet
Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them
all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382
files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

johnf,

Cleanup...
OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance | Clean Up Now button |
Remove Messages | Answer: YES | Close | OK

Make sure...
OE | Tools | Options | Maintenance | UNCheck: � Compact messages in
backround

To compact all folders...
OE | File | Work Offline | In the Folders pane | Select: Outlook Express |
Alt + F + F + F

Don't forget to go to File | and uncheck: Work Offline

InsideOE: Maintenance
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/files/maintain.htm

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
johnf hunted and pecked:
Thanks, Wes, I often wondered where those 0-byte ones came from. Yep,
I only use IE for NG's, Outlook for mail.

IE is a pain for amassing hidden files. I should have woken up
yesterday when I was cleaning up a friend's PC.

She insisted on my installing Incredimail for her (against my wishes),
doesn't have Outlook, so had been using IE for email.
IE had only 3 mails in the Inbox - all other folders 'empty', then I
happened to check in -
"C:\Documents and Settings\xxx\Local Settings\Application
Data\Identities\xxxxx}\Microsoft\Outlook Express"

What did I find there? .DBX files = Sent Items (230MB), Outbox
(230MB), Deleted Items (235MB)

Back to IE, "Files/Folders/Compact all folders" pulled them all back
to ~60KB (700MB HDD space recovered)
So much for 'empty' folders. I was also able to open those .DBX files
with Textpad and read all mails sent & received for the previous 12
months.

So much for using IE as your mail program.

--

johnf

john,

I see you're using Outlook Express.

All those 0 byte files, like [1], [2], [3], etc. are from Outlook
Express. Everytime you open an E-mail or newsgroup message one of
those 0 byte files is created. Not to mention all the *.tmp files.
I have the three temp files just from writing this message.
wbk3FA.tmp 7 KB, wbk3FC.tmp 7 KB and wbk3FE.tmp 7 KB. Four now
wbk400.tmp 7 KB, I just saved and closed this message again. :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In ,
johnf hunted and pecked:
If you really want to know, download a 3rd. party Search engine such
as FileLocator & search for content/ie5, you can view the thousands
of files residing there - (mostly 0-size).
You can also delete them via the Search engine.

--

johnf

OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local
Settings\ .... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files
without checking that box did not give the desired result. One
would think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all
the temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not.
Does this mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded
with these superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they
exist or thought they had really cleaned up everything (like me)?
What an eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files
and folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible?
If I could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one
view them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional
information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on
Delete Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content
{This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete
cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary
Internet Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool
Bar. Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them
all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382
files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get
rid of them?

Ron Patterson

Wes,

Thank you very much for your interest in educating me about these
matters. You have earned the
title of 'CleanUp Man'.

Firstly, let me assure you I have configured Folder Options\View to see
all hidden files and folders and
protected system files.

Here is what piqued my interest in this area. Until recently when I
used Norton AntiVirus to scan my
C drive it said it had scanned @ 88,000 files. Suddenly I noted it was
scanning @ 144,000 files. I
decided to find out where these additional files suddenly appeared from in a
weeks time.

If I individually count my C drive I find 'C' plus 20 Directories. If I
do 'Properties' individually on each directory, I find I have a total of
2,963 folders containing only 31,564 files in these 20 Directories. Yet
Norton scan shows 144,000 files. Investigating further I find a great
discrepancy when I highlight a directory and click properties as opposed to
running Norton scan on that directory. For example, Program
Files\Properties indicates 10,665 files while Norton scans 63,567 files.
Windows\Properties shows 11,750 files while Norton scans 56,758 files.

Also, when adding bytes by clicking properties in each of the 20
Directories, I total
6,096,886,495 bytes. However, when I do C\Properties I find 9,190,223,872
bytes (unfortunately Properties does not give a folder or file count in
'C'). So, how is the whole 50% greater than the sum of its parts since I
am configured to view all files.

This huge discrepancy in the number of files scanned by Norton (144,000)
versus my detailed count
(31,564) can be explained by someone more knowledgeable than myself and
would not be of great concern if I suddenly had not noticed an increase in
files scanned by Norton from 88,000 to 144,000.
This makes me believe I have a lot of files suddenly installed someplace
that are not needed. And that is what drives this issue. Comments?

Regards and thanks for all your kind assistance,
Ron Patterson



----- Original Message -----
From: "Wesley Vogel"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing


Ron,

Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean
anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is
the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook
Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up.

I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet
connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant
something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable.

Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5.

As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do
things.

You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet
Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\
Content.MSO

No need for third party tools to view the folders/files.

I have a shortcut to:
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
On my Desktop.

If you don't check: � Delete all offline content, only the Temporary
Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet
Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned.

However your
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large.

This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but
tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's
another
chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat

As a side note.

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5

As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors."

There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary
Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-)

I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really
have
to read many sources.

Here's a fairly good one.

Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files
without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would
think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the
temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this
mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these
superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought
they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and
folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I
could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view
them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional
information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete
Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete
cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet
Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:7qGMc.158296$IQ4.134538@attbi_s02...
Ron,

Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not mean
anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really means is
the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if you use Outlook
Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled up.

I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when internet
connections were slower and more expensive. And offline files meant
something. Not today with always connected DSL and cable.

Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5.

As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to do
things.

You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary Internet
Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary Internet Files\
Content.MSO

No need for third party tools to view the folders/files.

I have a shortcut to:
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
On my Desktop.

If you don't check: � Delete all offline content, only the Temporary
Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary Internet
Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned.

However your
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty large.

This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes), but
tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again. That's
another
chapter. Along with C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat

As a side note.

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5

As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors."

There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary
Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out. ;-)

I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you really
have
to read many sources.

Here's a fairly good one.

Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.
A HUGE WD Wes and thank you. You de man!!

Now, for commentary. - I am surprised that deleting the files
without checking that box did not give the desired result. One would
think that is what everyone really wants to do (clean out all the
temps) - and thinks they are accomplishing - but are not. Does this
mean that all but the Windows cognoscenti are loaded with these
superfluous files and don't know (like me) that they exist or thought
they had really cleaned up everything (like me)? What an eye opener!

And, I always have my Folder Option\View set to "Show hidden files and
folders". So, why were these @51,000 files still invisible? If I
could have seen them, I could have deleted them. How does one view
them. I could not in spite of the setting or any additional
information given here.

Thanks again,
Ron


"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:vrAMc.179952$XM6.107005@attbi_s53...
They are Hidden..........

1) Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
Best to do this with all instances of Internet Explorer closed.
Especially if there are a large number of files.
2) On the General Tab, in the middle of the screen, click on Delete
Files 3) Check the box � Delete all offline content {This cleans
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files AND C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
4) Click on OK and wait for the hourglass icon to stop after it
deletes the temporary internet files
5) You can now click on Delete Cookies and click OK to delete
cookies that websites have placed on your hard drive.

To display hidden files and folders
http://tinyurl.com/4lxxn

From XP HELP:
To display hidden files and folders
[[Open Folder Options in Control Panel.
Click Start, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel.
Double-click Folder Options
On the View tab, under Hidden files and folders, click Show hidden
files and folders]]

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Start | Run | Type: inetcpl.cpl | OK
Or right click the Internet Explorer icon on your Desktop.
Or: Start | Settings | Control Panel | Internet Options.
General tab | Settings button | View Files button

To view:
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5 AND \Content.MSO

Start | Run | Type: cleanmgr | OK | Highlight Temporary Internet
Files

View Files button

Or...

Start | Run | Type: %TEMP% | OK |

You will probably have to click the Folders button on the Tool Bar.
Click: [+] Temporary Internet Files
Click: [+] Content.IE5
Click: Random named folders
View
You can also view Content.MSO

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Aha - I am getting closer - in C:\Documents and Settings\(My
Name)\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files -
- in this folder, there are no files shown - I deleted them all
- yet 'Properties' still shows 34.5 Mb, 19 folders, and 50,382 files
- but none are visible. What - where are they? How do I get rid
of them?

Ron Patterson

Ron,

I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I
have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a
while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch
the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-)

It's free and cool.

[[Easy to use one-click cleaning
Cleaning Presets
Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q')
Extendibility by plug-ins ]]

Disk Cleaner
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/

----
Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be
super hidden. Shrug.
----
Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB.
-----

Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff...

I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which.
If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens.

C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\

Is it the same folder that opens from..
IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab |
Settings button | View Objects ????
C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files

Or is it different??
If different, does it show any *.dll files???
-----

Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account.
Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I do
not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really.

C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
Right click Content.IE5 | Properties |
Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes)
Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes)

It actually contains 2 files right now:
desktop.ini
Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes)
Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes)

index.dat
Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)
Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)

It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other.
-----

I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat
and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this info
being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar
knapkins. :-)

I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins.

Short version......
Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors.

Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents, My
Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them special
is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the registry,
where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found
he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is
{7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}.

snippage

Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}

Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}
CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000}

The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line
disables the Search utility from searching through the folder.

If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and
become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can fool
Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo] line.

a lot of snippage

With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini
files....
Smoke and mirrors.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In hlink.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Wes,

Thank you very much for your interest in educating me about these
matters. You have earned the
title of 'CleanUp Man'.

Firstly, let me assure you I have configured Folder Options\View
to see all hidden files and folders and
protected system files.

Here is what piqued my interest in this area. Until recently
when I used Norton AntiVirus to scan my
C drive it said it had scanned @ 88,000 files. Suddenly I noted it
was scanning @ 144,000 files. I
decided to find out where these additional files suddenly appeared
from in a weeks time.

If I individually count my C drive I find 'C' plus 20
Directories. If I do 'Properties' individually on each directory, I
find I have a total of 2,963 folders containing only 31,564 files in
these 20 Directories. Yet Norton scan shows 144,000 files.
Investigating further I find a great discrepancy when I highlight a
directory and click properties as opposed to running Norton scan on
that directory. For example, Program Files\Properties indicates
10,665 files while Norton scans 63,567 files. Windows\Properties
shows 11,750 files while Norton scans 56,758 files.

Also, when adding bytes by clicking properties in each of the 20
Directories, I total
6,096,886,495 bytes. However, when I do C\Properties I find
9,190,223,872 bytes (unfortunately Properties does not give a folder
or file count in 'C'). So, how is the whole 50% greater than the
sum of its parts since I am configured to view all files.

This huge discrepancy in the number of files scanned by Norton
(144,000) versus my detailed count
(31,564) can be explained by someone more knowledgeable than myself
and would not be of great concern if I suddenly had not noticed an
increase in files scanned by Norton from 88,000 to 144,000.
This makes me believe I have a lot of files suddenly installed
someplace that are not needed. And that is what drives this issue.
Comments?

Regards and thanks for all your kind assistance,
Ron Patterson



----- Original Message -----
From: "Wesley Vogel"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing


Ron,

Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not
mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really
means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if
you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled
up.

I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when
internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline
files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and
cable.

Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5.

As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to
do things.

You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary
Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary
Internet Files\ Content.MSO

No need for third party tools to view the folders/files.

I have a shortcut to:
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5
On my Desktop.

If you don't check: � Delete all offline content, only the Temporary
Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary
Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned.

However your
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty
large.

This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes),
but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again.
That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and
Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat

As a side note.

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5

As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors."

There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary
Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out.
;-)

I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you
really have to read many sources.

Here's a fairly good one.

Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.

SNIP

My replies in red.

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53...
Ron,

I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I
have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a
while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch
the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-)

It's free and cool.

[[Easy to use one-click cleaning
Cleaning Presets
Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q')
Extendibility by plug-ins ]]

Disk Cleaner
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/

----
Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be
super hidden. Shrug.
----
Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB.
-----

Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff...

I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which.

Pro

If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens.

C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\

Is it the same folder that opens from..
IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab |
Settings button | View Objects ????
C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files

Yes, they are identical in Pro via either access.

Or is it different??
If different, does it show any *.dll files???

It does not

Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account.
Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I
do
not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really.

C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
Right click Content.IE5 | Properties |
Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes)
Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes)

It actually contains 2 files right now:
desktop.ini
Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes)
Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes)

Aha, perhaps a chance to show my ass and try to contribute something.
Is it possible if you fomatted to NTSF (?) that the minimum cluster size is
4Kb
so any file smaller than that will still aways show as 4Kb?


index.dat
Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)
Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)

It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other.
-----

I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat
and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this
info
being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar
knapkins. :-)

I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins.

Short version......
Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors.

Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents,
My
Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them
special
is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the
registry,
where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found
he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is
{7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}.

snippage

Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}

Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}
CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000}

The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line
disables the Search utility from searching through the folder.

If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and
become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can
fool
Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo]
line.

a lot of snippage

With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini
files....
Smoke and mirrors.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

Wes, thanks for all the education. I learned a lot. And I do appreciate
the not inconsiderable
amount of time this has taken you.

Regards,
Ron

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53...
Ron,

I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp stuff. I
have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I run it once in a
while manually. The only way I can tell when it runs at boot is to watch
the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-)

It's free and cool.

[[Easy to use one-click cleaning
Cleaning Presets
Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q')
Extendibility by plug-ins ]]

Disk Cleaner
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/

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Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders to be
super hidden. Shrug.
----
Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB.
-----

Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff...

I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned which.
If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens.

C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\

Is it the same folder that opens from..
IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab |
Settings button | View Objects ????
C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files

Or is it different??
If different, does it show any *.dll files???
-----

Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account.
Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size which I
do
not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's not 2x4, really.

C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
Right click Content.IE5 | Properties |
Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes)
Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes)

It actually contains 2 files right now:
desktop.ini
Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes)
Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes)

index.dat
Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)
Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)

It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other.
-----

I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History, index.dat
and desktop.ini information into one uesable document. Instead of this
info
being the electronic equivalant of notes written on matchbooks and bar
knapkins. :-)

I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins.

Short version......
Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors.

Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My Documents,
My
Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of what makes them
special
is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier. These are found in the
registry,
where the GUID is the identifier for the special folder. They are found
he HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is
{7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}.

snippage

Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}

Desktop.ini for C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}
CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000}

The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line
disables the Search utility from searching through the folder.

If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special and
become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot. You can
fool
Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the [.ShellClassInfo]
line.

a lot of snippage

With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini
files....
Smoke and mirrors.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In hlink.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
Wes,

Thank you very much for your interest in educating me about these
matters. You have earned the
title of 'CleanUp Man'.

Firstly, let me assure you I have configured Folder Options\View
to see all hidden files and folders and
protected system files.

Here is what piqued my interest in this area. Until recently
when I used Norton AntiVirus to scan my
C drive it said it had scanned @ 88,000 files. Suddenly I noted it
was scanning @ 144,000 files. I
decided to find out where these additional files suddenly appeared
from in a weeks time.

If I individually count my C drive I find 'C' plus 20
Directories. If I do 'Properties' individually on each directory, I
find I have a total of 2,963 folders containing only 31,564 files in
these 20 Directories. Yet Norton scan shows 144,000 files.
Investigating further I find a great discrepancy when I highlight a
directory and click properties as opposed to running Norton scan on
that directory. For example, Program Files\Properties indicates
10,665 files while Norton scans 63,567 files. Windows\Properties
shows 11,750 files while Norton scans 56,758 files.

Also, when adding bytes by clicking properties in each of the 20
Directories, I total
6,096,886,495 bytes. However, when I do C\Properties I find
9,190,223,872 bytes (unfortunately Properties does not give a folder
or file count in 'C'). So, how is the whole 50% greater than the
sum of its parts since I am configured to view all files.

This huge discrepancy in the number of files scanned by Norton
(144,000) versus my detailed count
(31,564) can be explained by someone more knowledgeable than myself
and would not be of great concern if I suddenly had not noticed an
increase in files scanned by Norton from 88,000 to 144,000.
This makes me believe I have a lot of files suddenly installed
someplace that are not needed. And that is what drives this issue.
Comments?

Regards and thanks for all your kind assistance,
Ron Patterson



----- Original Message -----
From: "Wesley Vogel"
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: The plot thickens - 51,000 files missing


Ron,

Yep. It is *very* confusing. And offline content may or may not
mean anything. I do not use any offline files. What it really
means is the Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 folder. And if
you use Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, it really gets filled
up.

I think that feature is left over from older versions of IE, when
internet connections were slower and more expensive. And offline
files meant something. Not today with always connected DSL and
cable.

Even Content.IE5 and History.IE5 or holdovers from, well, IE5.

As with most things in Windows, there's usually more than one way to
do things.

You didn't read my whole post. It explains how to view Temporary
Internet Files, Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 and Temporary
Internet Files\ Content.MSO

No need for third party tools to view the folders/files.

I have a shortcut to:
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5
On my Desktop.

If you don't check: � Delete all offline content, only the Temporary
Internet Files will be cleaned. If you check the box, Temporary
Internet Files *and* Content.IE5 will be cleaned.

However your
C:\Documents and Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5\Index.dat file is probably still pretty
large.

This morning mine was 32 KB. Right now it's 560 KB (573,440 bytes),
but tomorrow it will be back to 32 KB ready to grow huge again.
That's another chapter. Along with C:\Documents and
Settings\YourNameHere\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\Index.dat

As a side note.

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) *will* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files

Disk Cleanup (cleanmgr.exe) will *not* clean:
C:\Documents and Settings\Your Name Here\Local Settings\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5

As a fellow once said, "Smoke and mirrors."

There are an awful lot of folks that do not understand the Temporary
Internet Files. I do not know everything, but I can clean 'em out.
;-)

I have not found a single definitive article on the subject, you
really have to read many sources.

Here's a fairly good one.

Safely Delete the Temporary Internet Files
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

Don't foget to clean out the Cookies folders and the History folders.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
OMG !!! They are gone - @51,000 files in .......\Local Settings\
.... are now down to 51.

SNIP

Ron,

No, your replies are in black. ;-) I, "Read all messages in plain text."

Give the man a cigar!! You got it. I never even thought of that.

Hard drive was originally formatted FAT32. Reformatted to NTFS.
Volume Local Disk (C
Volume size = 9.49 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB

You are welcome.
Keep having fun!! :-)

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

In link.net,
Ron Patterson hunted and pecked:
My replies in red.

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53...
Ron,

I actually use Disk Cleaner to clean out the TIFs and other temp
stuff. I have it set to do this automatically at boot and then I
run it once in a while manually. The only way I can tell when it
runs at boot is to watch the Recycle bin suddenly become empty. ;-)

It's free and cool.

[[Easy to use one-click cleaning
Cleaning Presets
Quiet mode , i.e. for cleaning when booting ('/q')
Extendibility by plug-ins ]]

Disk Cleaner
http://www.xs4all.nl/~mp2004/

----
Microsoft, for whatever possible reasons, intended for these folders
to be super hidden. Shrug.
----
Jeez, I snipped a bunch of this message and it's still 9 KB.
-----

Maybe an interesting side note on hidden stuff...

I don't remember if you have Home or Pro or if you even mentioned
which.

Pro

If Home, paste this in the Run box, click OK and see what opens.

C:\WINDOWS\DOWNLO~1\

Is it the same folder that opens from..
IE | Tools | Internet Options | General tab |
Settings button | View Objects ????
C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files

Yes, they are identical in Pro via either access.

Or is it different??
If different, does it show any *.dll files???

It does not

Something to consider is how file/folder size is taken in to account.
Size, size on disk, slack and other variables. And nominal size
which I do not completely understand, but like a wooden 2x4, it's
not 2x4, really.

C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5 Right click Content.IE5 | Properties |
Size: 160 KB (163,907 bytes)
Size on disk: 164 KB (167,936 bytes)

It actually contains 2 files right now:
desktop.ini
Size: 67 bytes (67 bytes)
Size on disk: 4.00 KB (4,096 bytes)

Aha, perhaps a chance to show my ass and try to contribute something.
Is it possible if you fomatted to NTSF (?) that the minimum cluster
size is 4Kb
so any file smaller than that will still aways show as 4Kb?


index.dat
Size: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)
Size on disk: 160 KB (163,840 bytes)

It looks like it adds up one way, but not the other.
-----

I just started this morning, trying to put all my TIF, History,
index.dat and desktop.ini information into one uesable document.
Instead of this info being the electronic equivalant of notes
written on matchbooks and bar knapkins. :-)

I still have plenty of matchbooks and bar knapkins.

Short version......
Anything related to Temporary Internet Files is smoke and mirrors.

Temporary Internet Files folders are Special Folders, like My
Documents, My Music, My Computer, Recycle Bin, et cetera. Part of
what makes them special is the GUID or Globally Unique Identifier.
These are found in the registry, where the GUID is the identifier
for the special folder. They are found he
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID. The GUID for Temporary Internet Files is
{7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}.

snippage

Desktop.ini for Temporary Internet Files:
desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}

Desktop.ini for
C:\DOCUME~1\WESLEY~1.VOG\LOCALS~1\History\History. IE5: desktop.ini
[.ShellClassInfo]
UICLSID={7BD29E00-76C1-11CF-9DD0-00A0C9034933}
CLSID={FF393560-C2A7-11CF-BFF4-444553540000}

The UICLSID line hides the folder in Windows Explorer. The CLSID line
disables the Search utility from searching through the folder.

If you delete the desktop.ini then the folders are no longer special
and become visible. However, they will be recreated at next boot.
You can fool Windows by editing the desktop.ini leaving only the
[.ShellClassInfo] line.

a lot of snippage

With a combination of registry settings (attributes) and desktop.ini
files....
Smoke and mirrors.

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.
Wes

Wes, thanks for all the education. I learned a lot. And I do
appreciate the not inconsiderable
amount of time this has taken you.

Regards,
Ron

"Wesley Vogel" wrote in message
news:By_Mc.186885$XM6.80055@attbi_s53...

SNIP

The dbx reader and dbx extract has prompted you a path of the Outlook Express files' storage. And now save the damaged dbx files in the safe folder, they can be useful.