going to upgrade my old computer

smlunatick wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:03 pm, Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick

wrote:

snapped

Are there any suggestions you might give as to how I should go about
this. Although I put the original computer together about five or six
years ago I was much younger then (I'm now 74) and with all this new
stuff I feel I can use some basic guidelines. If this is not the
right forum could you point me in the right direction. at
Thank you
Albert
I would also get a new tower case and power supply. The old computer
would possible have a "low-power" power supply and new power supply /
motherboard "may" have problems fitting inside of the older case.
I guess I should've been more descriptive, the tower is designed for
ATX form factor and the old motherboard is an ATX motherboard so the
new one shouldn't be a problem. As for the power supply I have
already replaced the old one with a 485 W unit because the old one
burnt out over Christmas a year ago.

Ghost has been know to have "problems" when accessing SATA hard drives.
Thanks for the heads up on Ghost, I'll check into it.

Albert

A 485 Watt PS is considered on the "low-power" side for most Dual
processor based PCs nowadays.

Which can be substantiated by a power calculation.

My current Core2 Duo system uses about 100W at idle.

It is possible to calculate an upper limit, using some measurements
from Xbitlabs for video card power. 485W will power quite a bit of
hardware.

To make up an example.

110W video card (HD4850 perhaps)
65W Core2 Duo (72W when Vcore converter efficiency is considered)
P45 motherboard
2 sticks RAM
1 hard drive
1 CDROM

Allocate 50W for motherboard chipset power and operation of the RAM.
Allocate 10W from +5VSB for USB devices and other onboard loads.
12W for a hard drive, 25W max for a CDROM.
6W for fan cooling.

110+72+50+10+12+25+6 = 285W

And that number is still above the actual measured system power.
So there is some margin in the number already. For example,
I have a 65W processor and have measured the actual processor
power at 100% utilization. It is only 36W, well short of the
spec limit. (Measured with a clamp-on DC ammeter on the ATX12V
two yellow wires.) Power drops considerably at idle.

You'd need to check the 12V ampere rating on the power supply, to
decide whether there is an issue with that loading. The 285W should
not be a problem for a 485W power supply, in terms of overall power.

In evaluating power supplies, every spec printed on the label means
something, so when asking questions, all parameters should be copied
into a posting (or use a URL pointing to a picture of the power
supply label).

There have been some web sites in the past, offering power calculations,
which have been off by a factor of two (including the famed "25W DIMMs").
So not every available source of this information, is to be trusted.
The Xbitlabs measurements are a considerable bonus, because without them,
many people would continue to over-estimate the size of
supply needed. An example here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...-hd4850_5.html

Paul

smlunatick wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:03 pm, Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick

wrote:

snapped

Are there any suggestions you might give as to how I should go about
this. Although I put the original computer together about five or six
years ago I was much younger then (I'm now 74) and with all this new
stuff I feel I can use some basic guidelines. If this is not the
right forum could you point me in the right direction. at
Thank you
Albert
I would also get a new tower case and power supply. The old computer
would possible have a "low-power" power supply and new power supply /
motherboard "may" have problems fitting inside of the older case.
I guess I should've been more descriptive, the tower is designed for
ATX form factor and the old motherboard is an ATX motherboard so the
new one shouldn't be a problem. As for the power supply I have
already replaced the old one with a 485 W unit because the old one
burnt out over Christmas a year ago.

Ghost has been know to have "problems" when accessing SATA hard drives.
Thanks for the heads up on Ghost, I'll check into it.

Albert

A 485 Watt PS is considered on the "low-power" side for most Dual
processor based PCs nowadays.

Which can be substantiated by a power calculation.

My current Core2 Duo system uses about 100W at idle.

It is possible to calculate an upper limit, using some measurements
from Xbitlabs for video card power. 485W will power quite a bit of
hardware.

To make up an example.

110W video card (HD4850 perhaps)
65W Core2 Duo (72W when Vcore converter efficiency is considered)
P45 motherboard
2 sticks RAM
1 hard drive
1 CDROM

Allocate 50W for motherboard chipset power and operation of the RAM.
Allocate 10W from +5VSB for USB devices and other onboard loads.
12W for a hard drive, 25W max for a CDROM.
6W for fan cooling.

110+72+50+10+12+25+6 = 285W

And that number is still above the actual measured system power.
So there is some margin in the number already. For example,
I have a 65W processor and have measured the actual processor
power at 100% utilization. It is only 36W, well short of the
spec limit. (Measured with a clamp-on DC ammeter on the ATX12V
two yellow wires.) Power drops considerably at idle.

You'd need to check the 12V ampere rating on the power supply, to
decide whether there is an issue with that loading. The 285W should
not be a problem for a 485W power supply, in terms of overall power.

In evaluating power supplies, every spec printed on the label means
something, so when asking questions, all parameters should be copied
into a posting (or use a URL pointing to a picture of the power
supply label).

There have been some web sites in the past, offering power calculations,
which have been off by a factor of two (including the famed "25W DIMMs").
So not every available source of this information, is to be trusted.
The Xbitlabs measurements are a considerable bonus, because without them,
many people would continue to over-estimate the size of
supply needed. An example here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...-hd4850_5.html

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message
...
smlunatick wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:03 pm, Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick

wrote:

snapped

Are there any suggestions you might give as to how I should go about
this. Although I put the original computer together about five or six
years ago I was much younger then (I'm now 74) and with all this new
stuff I feel I can use some basic guidelines. If this is not the
right forum could you point me in the right direction. at
Thank you
Albert
I would also get a new tower case and power supply. The old computer
would possible have a "low-power" power supply and new power supply /
motherboard "may" have problems fitting inside of the older case.
I guess I should've been more descriptive, the tower is designed for
ATX form factor and the old motherboard is an ATX motherboard so the
new one shouldn't be a problem. As for the power supply I have
already replaced the old one with a 485 W unit because the old one
burnt out over Christmas a year ago.

Ghost has been know to have "problems" when accessing SATA hard drives.
Thanks for the heads up on Ghost, I'll check into it.

Albert

A 485 Watt PS is considered on the "low-power" side for most Dual
processor based PCs nowadays.

Which can be substantiated by a power calculation.

My current Core2 Duo system uses about 100W at idle.

It is possible to calculate an upper limit, using some measurements
from Xbitlabs for video card power. 485W will power quite a bit of
hardware.

To make up an example.

110W video card (HD4850 perhaps)
65W Core2 Duo (72W when Vcore converter efficiency is considered)
P45 motherboard
2 sticks RAM
1 hard drive
1 CDROM

Allocate 50W for motherboard chipset power and operation of the RAM.
Allocate 10W from +5VSB for USB devices and other onboard loads.
12W for a hard drive, 25W max for a CDROM.
6W for fan cooling.

110+72+50+10+12+25+6 = 285W

And that number is still above the actual measured system power.
So there is some margin in the number already. For example,
I have a 65W processor and have measured the actual processor
power at 100% utilization. It is only 36W, well short of the
spec limit. (Measured with a clamp-on DC ammeter on the ATX12V
two yellow wires.) Power drops considerably at idle.

You'd need to check the 12V ampere rating on the power supply, to
decide whether there is an issue with that loading. The 285W should
not be a problem for a 485W power supply, in terms of overall power.

In evaluating power supplies, every spec printed on the label means
something, so when asking questions, all parameters should be copied
into a posting (or use a URL pointing to a picture of the power
supply label).

There have been some web sites in the past, offering power calculations,
which have been off by a factor of two (including the famed "25W DIMMs").
So not every available source of this information, is to be trusted.
The Xbitlabs measurements are a considerable bonus, because without them,
many people would continue to over-estimate the size of
supply needed. An example here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...-hd4850_5.html

Paul

My "main" PC+ WAG354G modem/router/wifi + 20" Samsung SyncMaster 2053BW LCD
monitor, all fed UK 230-240 volt mains pwr from "APC Back-UPS 650" - which
is plugged into a TCM mains volt/watt/amp 'guess-timation' :-) plug-in
thingy with LCD display - shows that it's all using approx. .61amps /
144-147watts (UK 230-240v), ...when "AMD Cool'n'Quiet'ly" is stepping down
cpu / cpu running at 1000mhz/1.1v btw. ...202-205 watts when cpu made to
run continually at 3ghz / 1.350volts

http://www.antec.outervision.com/ 'guess-timates' that my PC innards need
min. psu rating 405 Watts :-
Asus M3N78| x6000Windsor | 2x1gb PC2-6400,
Zotac 9400GT-passive h/s model
2xSata 7,200 + 1xIDE 7,200 hard disks,
2 x DVD rewriters,
PCI SB Audigy 2 Platinum ?
PCI 2x1394a / 4xUSB2.0 card,
PCIe x1 2 port SATA card,
1x120mm, 3x92mm fans,
2 x DVD rewriters, (1xIDE 1xSATA)
3 1/2" bay 4 slot card reader+1xUSB port
.... and I have a Seasonic SII 430w in there.

....quite how the 230/240v mains supply 144-147 watt consumption (at cpu
idle), relates to the "required" 405w minimum PSU requirement, eludes me !
....and I always thought it best to selected a PSU that would be loaded up to
at 80-90% (or a little less), of its' max. load capacity ! ...to allow for
more pwr hungry system box innards to be swapped, or added, in at a later
date :-)

regards, Richard

"Paul" wrote in message
...
smlunatick wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:03 pm, Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick

wrote:

snapped

Are there any suggestions you might give as to how I should go about
this. Although I put the original computer together about five or six
years ago I was much younger then (I'm now 74) and with all this new
stuff I feel I can use some basic guidelines. If this is not the
right forum could you point me in the right direction. at
Thank you
Albert
I would also get a new tower case and power supply. The old computer
would possible have a "low-power" power supply and new power supply /
motherboard "may" have problems fitting inside of the older case.
I guess I should've been more descriptive, the tower is designed for
ATX form factor and the old motherboard is an ATX motherboard so the
new one shouldn't be a problem. As for the power supply I have
already replaced the old one with a 485 W unit because the old one
burnt out over Christmas a year ago.

Ghost has been know to have "problems" when accessing SATA hard drives.
Thanks for the heads up on Ghost, I'll check into it.

Albert

A 485 Watt PS is considered on the "low-power" side for most Dual
processor based PCs nowadays.

Which can be substantiated by a power calculation.

My current Core2 Duo system uses about 100W at idle.

It is possible to calculate an upper limit, using some measurements
from Xbitlabs for video card power. 485W will power quite a bit of
hardware.

To make up an example.

110W video card (HD4850 perhaps)
65W Core2 Duo (72W when Vcore converter efficiency is considered)
P45 motherboard
2 sticks RAM
1 hard drive
1 CDROM

Allocate 50W for motherboard chipset power and operation of the RAM.
Allocate 10W from +5VSB for USB devices and other onboard loads.
12W for a hard drive, 25W max for a CDROM.
6W for fan cooling.

110+72+50+10+12+25+6 = 285W

And that number is still above the actual measured system power.
So there is some margin in the number already. For example,
I have a 65W processor and have measured the actual processor
power at 100% utilization. It is only 36W, well short of the
spec limit. (Measured with a clamp-on DC ammeter on the ATX12V
two yellow wires.) Power drops considerably at idle.

You'd need to check the 12V ampere rating on the power supply, to
decide whether there is an issue with that loading. The 285W should
not be a problem for a 485W power supply, in terms of overall power.

In evaluating power supplies, every spec printed on the label means
something, so when asking questions, all parameters should be copied
into a posting (or use a URL pointing to a picture of the power
supply label).

There have been some web sites in the past, offering power calculations,
which have been off by a factor of two (including the famed "25W DIMMs").
So not every available source of this information, is to be trusted.
The Xbitlabs measurements are a considerable bonus, because without them,
many people would continue to over-estimate the size of
supply needed. An example here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...-hd4850_5.html

Paul

My "main" PC+ WAG354G modem/router/wifi + 20" Samsung SyncMaster 2053BW LCD
monitor, all fed UK 230-240 volt mains pwr from "APC Back-UPS 650" - which
is plugged into a TCM mains volt/watt/amp 'guess-timation' :-) plug-in
thingy with LCD display - shows that it's all using approx. .61amps /
144-147watts (UK 230-240v), ...when "AMD Cool'n'Quiet'ly" is stepping down
cpu / cpu running at 1000mhz/1.1v btw. ...202-205 watts when cpu made to
run continually at 3ghz / 1.350volts

http://www.antec.outervision.com/ 'guess-timates' that my PC innards need
min. psu rating 405 Watts :-
Asus M3N78| x6000Windsor | 2x1gb PC2-6400,
Zotac 9400GT-passive h/s model
2xSata 7,200 + 1xIDE 7,200 hard disks,
2 x DVD rewriters,
PCI SB Audigy 2 Platinum ?
PCI 2x1394a / 4xUSB2.0 card,
PCIe x1 2 port SATA card,
1x120mm, 3x92mm fans,
2 x DVD rewriters, (1xIDE 1xSATA)
3 1/2" bay 4 slot card reader+1xUSB port
.... and I have a Seasonic SII 430w in there.

....quite how the 230/240v mains supply 144-147 watt consumption (at cpu
idle), relates to the "required" 405w minimum PSU requirement, eludes me !
....and I always thought it best to selected a PSU that would be loaded up to
at 80-90% (or a little less), of its' max. load capacity ! ...to allow for
more pwr hungry system box innards to be swapped, or added, in at a later
date :-)

regards, Richard

My logic I guess is a little bit different in that a power supply that's
loaded at 50% to 66% of its rated capacity has the following advantages:

1) In the sweet spot of the manufactures efficiency rating.
2) Supply is not working all that hard so units with adjustable fan speeds
run quiet, cool and possible longer life expectancy.
3) Head room for upgrading the system and not overtaxing the supply.

Biggest grip about any supply is poor documentation as to exactly which +12V
rail is assigned to each of the cable runs. Even on modular supplies its
guess work at best. Make things worse most multiple rail units do not have
independent 12V regulators.

All this has gone by the wayside with the newer high wattage supplies which
now have only a single +12V rail.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com



"RJK" wrote in message
...

"Paul" wrote in message
...
smlunatick wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:03 pm, Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick

wrote:

snapped

Are there any suggestions you might give as to how I should go about
this. Although I put the original computer together about five or
six
years ago I was much younger then (I'm now 74) and with all this new
stuff I feel I can use some basic guidelines. If this is not the
right forum could you point me in the right direction. at
Thank you
Albert
I would also get a new tower case and power supply. The old computer
would possible have a "low-power" power supply and new power supply /
motherboard "may" have problems fitting inside of the older case.
I guess I should've been more descriptive, the tower is designed for
ATX form factor and the old motherboard is an ATX motherboard so the
new one shouldn't be a problem. As for the power supply I have
already replaced the old one with a 485 W unit because the old one
burnt out over Christmas a year ago.

Ghost has been know to have "problems" when accessing SATA hard
drives.
Thanks for the heads up on Ghost, I'll check into it.

Albert

A 485 Watt PS is considered on the "low-power" side for most Dual
processor based PCs nowadays.

Which can be substantiated by a power calculation.

My current Core2 Duo system uses about 100W at idle.

It is possible to calculate an upper limit, using some measurements
from Xbitlabs for video card power. 485W will power quite a bit of
hardware.

To make up an example.

110W video card (HD4850 perhaps)
65W Core2 Duo (72W when Vcore converter efficiency is considered)
P45 motherboard
2 sticks RAM
1 hard drive
1 CDROM

Allocate 50W for motherboard chipset power and operation of the RAM.
Allocate 10W from +5VSB for USB devices and other onboard loads.
12W for a hard drive, 25W max for a CDROM.
6W for fan cooling.

110+72+50+10+12+25+6 = 285W

And that number is still above the actual measured system power.
So there is some margin in the number already. For example,
I have a 65W processor and have measured the actual processor
power at 100% utilization. It is only 36W, well short of the
spec limit. (Measured with a clamp-on DC ammeter on the ATX12V
two yellow wires.) Power drops considerably at idle.

You'd need to check the 12V ampere rating on the power supply, to
decide whether there is an issue with that loading. The 285W should
not be a problem for a 485W power supply, in terms of overall power.

In evaluating power supplies, every spec printed on the label means
something, so when asking questions, all parameters should be copied
into a posting (or use a URL pointing to a picture of the power
supply label).

There have been some web sites in the past, offering power calculations,
which have been off by a factor of two (including the famed "25W DIMMs").
So not every available source of this information, is to be trusted.
The Xbitlabs measurements are a considerable bonus, because without them,
many people would continue to over-estimate the size of
supply needed. An example here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...-hd4850_5.html

Paul

My "main" PC+ WAG354G modem/router/wifi + 20" Samsung SyncMaster 2053BW
LCD monitor, all fed UK 230-240 volt mains pwr from "APC Back-UPS 650" -
which is plugged into a TCM mains volt/watt/amp 'guess-timation' :-)
plug-in thingy with LCD display - shows that it's all using approx.
.61amps / 144-147watts (UK 230-240v), ...when "AMD Cool'n'Quiet'ly" is
stepping down cpu / cpu running at 1000mhz/1.1v btw. ...202-205 watts
when cpu made to run continually at 3ghz / 1.350volts

http://www.antec.outervision.com/ 'guess-timates' that my PC innards need
min. psu rating 405 Watts :-
Asus M3N78| x6000Windsor | 2x1gb PC2-6400,
Zotac 9400GT-passive h/s model
2xSata 7,200 + 1xIDE 7,200 hard disks,
2 x DVD rewriters,
PCI SB Audigy 2 Platinum ?
PCI 2x1394a / 4xUSB2.0 card,
PCIe x1 2 port SATA card,
1x120mm, 3x92mm fans,
2 x DVD rewriters, (1xIDE 1xSATA)
3 1/2" bay 4 slot card reader+1xUSB port
... and I have a Seasonic SII 430w in there.

...quite how the 230/240v mains supply 144-147 watt consumption (at cpu
idle), relates to the "required" 405w minimum PSU requirement, eludes me !
...and I always thought it best to selected a PSU that would be loaded up
to at 80-90% (or a little less), of its' max. load capacity ! ...to allow
for more pwr hungry system box innards to be swapped, or added, in at a
later date :-)

regards, Richard

My logic I guess is a little bit different in that a power supply that's
loaded at 50% to 66% of its rated capacity has the following advantages:

1) In the sweet spot of the manufactures efficiency rating.
2) Supply is not working all that hard so units with adjustable fan speeds
run quiet, cool and possible longer life expectancy.
3) Head room for upgrading the system and not overtaxing the supply.

Biggest grip about any supply is poor documentation as to exactly which +12V
rail is assigned to each of the cable runs. Even on modular supplies its
guess work at best. Make things worse most multiple rail units do not have
independent 12V regulators.

All this has gone by the wayside with the newer high wattage supplies which
now have only a single +12V rail.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com



"RJK" wrote in message
...

"Paul" wrote in message
...
smlunatick wrote:
On Jul 12, 5:03 pm, Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:32:44 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick

wrote:

snapped

Are there any suggestions you might give as to how I should go about
this. Although I put the original computer together about five or
six
years ago I was much younger then (I'm now 74) and with all this new
stuff I feel I can use some basic guidelines. If this is not the
right forum could you point me in the right direction. at
Thank you
Albert
I would also get a new tower case and power supply. The old computer
would possible have a "low-power" power supply and new power supply /
motherboard "may" have problems fitting inside of the older case.
I guess I should've been more descriptive, the tower is designed for
ATX form factor and the old motherboard is an ATX motherboard so the
new one shouldn't be a problem. As for the power supply I have
already replaced the old one with a 485 W unit because the old one
burnt out over Christmas a year ago.

Ghost has been know to have "problems" when accessing SATA hard
drives.
Thanks for the heads up on Ghost, I'll check into it.

Albert

A 485 Watt PS is considered on the "low-power" side for most Dual
processor based PCs nowadays.

Which can be substantiated by a power calculation.

My current Core2 Duo system uses about 100W at idle.

It is possible to calculate an upper limit, using some measurements
from Xbitlabs for video card power. 485W will power quite a bit of
hardware.

To make up an example.

110W video card (HD4850 perhaps)
65W Core2 Duo (72W when Vcore converter efficiency is considered)
P45 motherboard
2 sticks RAM
1 hard drive
1 CDROM

Allocate 50W for motherboard chipset power and operation of the RAM.
Allocate 10W from +5VSB for USB devices and other onboard loads.
12W for a hard drive, 25W max for a CDROM.
6W for fan cooling.

110+72+50+10+12+25+6 = 285W

And that number is still above the actual measured system power.
So there is some margin in the number already. For example,
I have a 65W processor and have measured the actual processor
power at 100% utilization. It is only 36W, well short of the
spec limit. (Measured with a clamp-on DC ammeter on the ATX12V
two yellow wires.) Power drops considerably at idle.

You'd need to check the 12V ampere rating on the power supply, to
decide whether there is an issue with that loading. The 285W should
not be a problem for a 485W power supply, in terms of overall power.

In evaluating power supplies, every spec printed on the label means
something, so when asking questions, all parameters should be copied
into a posting (or use a URL pointing to a picture of the power
supply label).

There have been some web sites in the past, offering power calculations,
which have been off by a factor of two (including the famed "25W DIMMs").
So not every available source of this information, is to be trusted.
The Xbitlabs measurements are a considerable bonus, because without them,
many people would continue to over-estimate the size of
supply needed. An example here.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...-hd4850_5.html

Paul

My "main" PC+ WAG354G modem/router/wifi + 20" Samsung SyncMaster 2053BW
LCD monitor, all fed UK 230-240 volt mains pwr from "APC Back-UPS 650" -
which is plugged into a TCM mains volt/watt/amp 'guess-timation' :-)
plug-in thingy with LCD display - shows that it's all using approx.
.61amps / 144-147watts (UK 230-240v), ...when "AMD Cool'n'Quiet'ly" is
stepping down cpu / cpu running at 1000mhz/1.1v btw. ...202-205 watts
when cpu made to run continually at 3ghz / 1.350volts

http://www.antec.outervision.com/ 'guess-timates' that my PC innards need
min. psu rating 405 Watts :-
Asus M3N78| x6000Windsor | 2x1gb PC2-6400,
Zotac 9400GT-passive h/s model
2xSata 7,200 + 1xIDE 7,200 hard disks,
2 x DVD rewriters,
PCI SB Audigy 2 Platinum ?
PCI 2x1394a / 4xUSB2.0 card,
PCIe x1 2 port SATA card,
1x120mm, 3x92mm fans,
2 x DVD rewriters, (1xIDE 1xSATA)
3 1/2" bay 4 slot card reader+1xUSB port
... and I have a Seasonic SII 430w in there.

...quite how the 230/240v mains supply 144-147 watt consumption (at cpu
idle), relates to the "required" 405w minimum PSU requirement, eludes me !
...and I always thought it best to selected a PSU that would be loaded up
to at 80-90% (or a little less), of its' max. load capacity ! ...to allow
for more pwr hungry system box innards to be swapped, or added, in at a
later date :-)

regards, Richard

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0600, Jeff Barnett
wrote:

Albert wrote:
.whatever and when it cratered SWMBO demanded a new computer so I go

So, do you plan to watch "Rumpole of the Bailey" DVDs on your new computer?

I watched that when it was on dish network years ago. We watched Miss
Marple last night on PBS.

Why should I use my computer to watch programs when I have a perfectly
good television set that's made to do just that. Besides I'm usually
busy using the computer on other things like building webpages,
running AutoCAD (drawings for my cabinet shop projects), doing what
I'm doing now, making annual slideshows for our Goods Sam's RV
club..... I think you can get the idea.

I've got two webpages (the others I've made or for the donors to our
civics fund of the RV club so I won't show them) you can check out if
you cared to. You have to realize I'm new at this and still learning.

Our webpage http://www.advantas.net/lason/
The clubs webpage http://www.3riversams.org/

No I won't be watching "Rumpole of the Bailey" on my computer when and
if I get it rebuilt. Which by the way I just ordered everything this
morning for it.

Albert

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0600, Jeff Barnett
wrote:

Albert wrote:
.whatever and when it cratered SWMBO demanded a new computer so I go

So, do you plan to watch "Rumpole of the Bailey" DVDs on your new computer?

I watched that when it was on dish network years ago. We watched Miss
Marple last night on PBS.

Why should I use my computer to watch programs when I have a perfectly
good television set that's made to do just that. Besides I'm usually
busy using the computer on other things like building webpages,
running AutoCAD (drawings for my cabinet shop projects), doing what
I'm doing now, making annual slideshows for our Goods Sam's RV
club..... I think you can get the idea.

I've got two webpages (the others I've made or for the donors to our
civics fund of the RV club so I won't show them) you can check out if
you cared to. You have to realize I'm new at this and still learning.

Our webpage http://www.advantas.net/lason/
The clubs webpage http://www.3riversams.org/

No I won't be watching "Rumpole of the Bailey" on my computer when and
if I get it rebuilt. Which by the way I just ordered everything this
morning for it.

Albert

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:14:28 -0600, Albert
wrote:

I want to thank everyone for their input and help. I have more than
enough info to digest to keep me busy until all the new stuff comes in
(which I ordered this morning).

In the meantime I'm prepping my fifth wheel for our 3riversams RV
club's monthly campout at Chama New Mexico for 4 days.

Again thank you

Albert & Mary Ann Lason
2003 27'HR Fiver
1992 Dodge diesel
4.0 Onan generator
2 comfortable recliners
www.advantas.net/lason/

On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:14:28 -0600, Albert
wrote:

I want to thank everyone for their input and help. I have more than
enough info to digest to keep me busy until all the new stuff comes in
(which I ordered this morning).

In the meantime I'm prepping my fifth wheel for our 3riversams RV
club's monthly campout at Chama New Mexico for 4 days.

Again thank you

Albert & Mary Ann Lason
2003 27'HR Fiver
1992 Dodge diesel
4.0 Onan generator
2 comfortable recliners
www.advantas.net/lason/

You're welcome and good luck with the new PC.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com



"Albert" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:14:28 -0600, Albert
wrote:

I want to thank everyone for their input and help. I have more than
enough info to digest to keep me busy until all the new stuff comes in
(which I ordered this morning).

In the meantime I'm prepping my fifth wheel for our 3riversams RV
club's monthly campout at Chama New Mexico for 4 days.

Again thank you

Albert & Mary Ann Lason
2003 27'HR Fiver
1992 Dodge diesel
4.0 Onan generator
2 comfortable recliners
www.advantas.net/lason/

You're welcome and good luck with the new PC.

--
JS
http://www.pagestart.com



"Albert" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:14:28 -0600, Albert
wrote:

I want to thank everyone for their input and help. I have more than
enough info to digest to keep me busy until all the new stuff comes in
(which I ordered this morning).

In the meantime I'm prepping my fifth wheel for our 3riversams RV
club's monthly campout at Chama New Mexico for 4 days.

Again thank you

Albert & Mary Ann Lason
2003 27'HR Fiver
1992 Dodge diesel
4.0 Onan generator
2 comfortable recliners
www.advantas.net/lason/

Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0600, Jeff Barnett
wrote:


Albert wrote:

.whatever and when it cratered SWMBO demanded a new computer so I go


So, do you plan to watch "Rumpole of the Bailey" DVDs on your new computer?


I watched that when it was on dish network years ago. We watched Miss
Marple last night on PBS.

Why should I use my computer to watch programs when I have a perfectly
good television set that's made to do just that. Besides I'm usually
busy using the computer on other things like building webpages,
running AutoCAD (drawings for my cabinet shop projects), doing what
I'm doing now, making annual slideshows for our Goods Sam's RV
club..... I think you can get the idea.

I've got two webpages (the others I've made or for the donors to our
civics fund of the RV club so I won't show them) you can check out if
you cared to. You have to realize I'm new at this and still learning.

Our webpage http://www.advantas.net/lason/
The clubs webpage http://www.3riversams.org/

No I won't be watching "Rumpole of the Bailey" on my computer when and
if I get it rebuilt. Which by the way I just ordered everything this
morning for it.

Albert

Of course I was reacting to your use of "SWMBO". It was the first time I
had seen that abbreviation and it took a while to work out what it
meant. Good luck with the new system.
--
Jeff Barnett

Albert wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:45:15 -0600, Jeff Barnett
wrote:


Albert wrote:

.whatever and when it cratered SWMBO demanded a new computer so I go


So, do you plan to watch "Rumpole of the Bailey" DVDs on your new computer?


I watched that when it was on dish network years ago. We watched Miss
Marple last night on PBS.

Why should I use my computer to watch programs when I have a perfectly
good television set that's made to do just that. Besides I'm usually
busy using the computer on other things like building webpages,
running AutoCAD (drawings for my cabinet shop projects), doing what
I'm doing now, making annual slideshows for our Goods Sam's RV
club..... I think you can get the idea.

I've got two webpages (the others I've made or for the donors to our
civics fund of the RV club so I won't show them) you can check out if
you cared to. You have to realize I'm new at this and still learning.

Our webpage http://www.advantas.net/lason/
The clubs webpage http://www.3riversams.org/

No I won't be watching "Rumpole of the Bailey" on my computer when and
if I get it rebuilt. Which by the way I just ordered everything this
morning for it.

Albert

Of course I was reacting to your use of "SWMBO". It was the first time I
had seen that abbreviation and it took a while to work out what it
meant. Good luck with the new system.
--
Jeff Barnett