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Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection?
Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole
security/av protection? Checking just now, I see it's now called "Windows Security" I think: o Win+I Update and Security Windows Security [Open Windows Security] I looked for a version but couldn't find that - but it did say this: No current threats. Last scan: 8/30/2020 9:25 PM (quick scan) 0 threats found Scan lasted 1 minutes 25 seconds 38578 files scanned In a recent thread, someone lamented that Office 2007 wasn't updated, where I commented that the functionality for a casual home user is the same on any Office version, and, that I had not had a virus in decades if security was the issue. Then I got to thinking _why_ (to my knowledge) I haven't had a virus in decades, and I don't really know why, particularly since I install hundreds of freeware apps and therefore consider myself a freeware junkie. Maybe Windows Defender actually works? o Dunno. I never thought about it all that much, so this question comes to mind to ask you, whether your _sole_ AV/security program is Windows Defender. Is it? Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? -- Usenet is a wonderful way to get setup opinions from around the world. |
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Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection?
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:03:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? Checking just now, I see it's now called "Windows Security" I think: o Win+I Update and Security Windows Security [Open Windows Security] I looked for a version but couldn't find that - but it did say this: No current threats. Last scan: 8/30/2020 9:25 PM (quick scan) 0 threats found Scan lasted 1 minutes 25 seconds 38578 files scanned In a recent thread, someone lamented that Office 2007 wasn't updated, where I commented that the functionality for a casual home user is the same on any Office version, and, that I had not had a virus in decades if security was the issue. Then I got to thinking _why_ (to my knowledge) I haven't had a virus in decades, and I don't really know why, particularly since I install hundreds of freeware apps and therefore consider myself a freeware junkie. Maybe Windows Defender actually works? o Dunno. I never thought about it all that much, so this question comes to mind to ask you, whether your _sole_ AV/security program is Windows Defender. Is it? Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I used only Defender for quite a while like you and I think that it actually DOES work. And it is normally fairly inocuous. I need to disable it sometimes though to copy files. boB |
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On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:03:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote: Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I've used antivirus software from almost the beginning. I continued that practice even though Microsoft introduced their own. The only virus infection I have had occurred in the late 1990s when I was using Panda. It might have found its way through but their help in getting rid of it was first class. I'm currently using Kaspersky (again). -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:03:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I've used antivirus software from almost the beginning. I continued that practice even though Microsoft introduced their own. The only virus infection I have had occurred in the late 1990s when I was using Panda. It might have found its way through but their help in getting rid of it was first class. I'm currently using Kaspersky (again). At work we always used to have McAfee enforced on us, but for the last few years we've not had anything. For those using windows they only moved to win10 this year or perhaps end of last year. They were on win7 prior to that. |
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On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:28:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris
wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:03:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I've used antivirus software from almost the beginning. I continued that practice even though Microsoft introduced their own. The only virus infection I have had occurred in the late 1990s when I was using Panda. It might have found its way through but their help in getting rid of it was first class. I'm currently using Kaspersky (again). At work we always used to have McAfee enforced on us, but for the last few years we've not had anything. For those using windows they only moved to win10 this year or perhaps end of last year. They were on win7 prior to that. McAfee came with one of my machines and I used it for several years across several machines. I got rid of it earlier in the year because I could no longer stand their business practices, particularly their billing. They even succeeded in billing my bank via an expired credit card for a license I had intentionally let lapse. I don't like having to count my fingers every time I shake hands. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:28:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Eric Stevens wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:03:34 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote: Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I've used antivirus software from almost the beginning. I continued that practice even though Microsoft introduced their own. The only virus infection I have had occurred in the late 1990s when I was using Panda. It might have found its way through but their help in getting rid of it was first class. I'm currently using Kaspersky (again). At work we always used to have McAfee enforced on us, but for the last few years we've not had anything. For those using windows they only moved to win10 this year or perhaps end of last year. They were on win7 prior to that. McAfee came with one of my machines and I used it for several years across several machines. I got rid of it earlier in the year because I could no longer stand their business practices, particularly their billing. They even succeeded in billing my bank via an expired credit card for a license I had intentionally let lapse. I don't like having to count my fingers every time I shake hands. I hated it because the on-demand scanner was so slow. Downloading stuff and launching newly installed programs took minutes longer than necessary. I could disable it for a while but every hour it re-enabled itself. |
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Arlen Holder wrote in
: Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? Checking just now, I see it's now called "Windows Security" I think: o Win+I Update and Security Windows Security [Open Windows Security] I looked for a version but couldn't find that - but it did say this: No current threats. Last scan: 8/30/2020 9:25 PM (quick scan) 0 threats found Scan lasted 1 minutes 25 seconds 38578 files scanned In a recent thread, someone lamented that Office 2007 wasn't updated, where I commented that the functionality for a casual home user is the same on any Office version, and, that I had not had a virus in decades if security was the issue. Then I got to thinking _why_ (to my knowledge) I haven't had a virus in decades, and I don't really know why, particularly since I install hundreds of freeware apps and therefore consider myself a freeware junkie. Maybe Windows Defender actually works? o Dunno. I never thought about it all that much, so this question comes to mind to ask you, whether your _sole_ AV/security program is Windows Defender. Is it? Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I use (and pay for) Malwarebytes for the extras it offers like protection from rootkits and other things that Windows Defender doesn't offer (TTBOMK) |
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On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 17:56:15 GMT, MajorLanGod
wrote: Arlen Holder wrote in : Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? Checking just now, I see it's now called "Windows Security" I think: o Win+I Update and Security Windows Security [Open Windows Security] I looked for a version but couldn't find that - but it did say this: No current threats. Last scan: 8/30/2020 9:25 PM (quick scan) 0 threats found Scan lasted 1 minutes 25 seconds 38578 files scanned In a recent thread, someone lamented that Office 2007 wasn't updated, where I commented that the functionality for a casual home user is the same on any Office version, and, that I had not had a virus in decades if security was the issue. Then I got to thinking _why_ (to my knowledge) I haven't had a virus in decades, and I don't really know why, particularly since I install hundreds of freeware apps and therefore consider myself a freeware junkie. Maybe Windows Defender actually works? o Dunno. I never thought about it all that much, so this question comes to mind to ask you, whether your _sole_ AV/security program is Windows Defender. Is it? Do you use the native default Windows 10 Windows Defender as your sole security/av protection? I use (and pay for) Malwarebytes for the extras it offers like protection from rootkits and other things that Windows Defender doesn't offer (TTBOMK) When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 17:56:15 GMT, MajorLanGod wrote: I use (and pay for) Malwarebytes for the extras it offers like protection from rootkits and other things that Windows Defender doesn't offer (TTBOMK) When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. AV programs are set up to complain, if a second "real time protection" AV is running. The paid version of Malwarebytes is "real time protection". The 14 day trial version of Malwarebytes is "real time protection". But the free version of Malwarebytes is "on-demand scanner", and for those, there is no complaint. After the 14 day trial, Malwarebytes removes its "I'm a real time protection program" flag, then Malwarebytes reverts to being "on-demand scans only". If you have too many Real Time protection programs, the I/O on the machine gets slower and slower, the more of them that are present. They take turns reading the file in a sense (each could be implemented as a stacked filter driver, so that data read from disk, is passed through each filter as each one gets a chance to scan the data). As an example of what the penalty for real time scanning is like, if I run hashdeep64 (a recursive checksum program that generates checksums for the entire partition), it runs at one seventh the normal rate if Windows Defender is doing real time scanning. If it normally ran at 98MB/sec on WinXP, it would run at 14MB/sec on Windows 10. If you're doing something I/O intensive, the penalty adds up. Imagine two or three real time scanner programs doing that while you're running hashdeep64. And there's only so much that buying a faster ("5GHz") CPU can do. Some of the processes insist on all hogging a single core, so it's not even a matter of "buying a 64 core processor to fix it". Even that would not help. The ability of software people to waste resources, is much better than the ability of the hardware guys to make faster hardware. Your NVMe drive can't help you, on CPU-bound behavior cases. Such as scanning the crap out of every small file you access on the drive. If the guys developing software were given slower computers, we would get better "more efficient" software :-) It's because they all got 18 core HP computers with 64GB of memory, that everything they write, stinks. Paul |
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On 9/1/2020 7:41 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. I no longer run Kaspersky, but I used to. When I installed it, I had MalwareBytes AntiMalware installed, but Kaspersky did *not* ask me to uninstall it. They ran together without a problem for a couple of years. -- Ken |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On 9/1/2020 7:41 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. I no longer run Kaspersky, but I used to. When I installed it, I had MalwareBytes AntiMalware installed, but Kaspersky did *not* ask me to uninstall it. They ran together without a problem for a couple of years. Was this perhaps, in the interval during which MBAM was solely an "on-demand" scanner. There was a time, when that's all it did, and there was no Pro version. Their previous business plan, did not include "real-time protection". Paul |
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On 9/2/2020 8:54 AM, Paul wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: On 9/1/2020 7:41 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. I no longer run Kaspersky, but I used to. When I installed it, I had MalwareBytes AntiMalware installed, but Kaspersky did *not* ask me to uninstall it. They ran together without a problem for a couple of years. Was this perhaps, in the interval during which MBAM was solely an "on-demand" scanner. There was a time, when that's all it did, and there was no Pro version. I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I stopped using Kaspersky just a couple of months ago. When was that interval? Their previous business plan, did not include "real-time protection". -- Ken |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On 9/2/2020 8:54 AM, Paul wrote: Ken Blake wrote: On 9/1/2020 7:41 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. I no longer run Kaspersky, but I used to. When I installed it, I had MalwareBytes AntiMalware installed, but Kaspersky did *not* ask me to uninstall it. They ran together without a problem for a couple of years. Was this perhaps, in the interval during which MBAM was solely an "on-demand" scanner. There was a time, when that's all it did, and there was no Pro version. I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I stopped using Kaspersky just a couple of months ago. When was that interval? It's had the possibility of Read Time protection for a few years at least. Then perhaps your MBAM was still in Free Mode. Kaspersky should not complain about that. Paul |
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On 9/2/2020 2:49 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: On 9/2/2020 8:54 AM, Paul wrote: Ken Blake wrote: On 9/1/2020 7:41 PM, Eric Stevens wrote: When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. I no longer run Kaspersky, but I used to. When I installed it, I had MalwareBytes AntiMalware installed, but Kaspersky did *not* ask me to uninstall it. They ran together without a problem for a couple of years. Was this perhaps, in the interval during which MBAM was solely an "on-demand" scanner. There was a time, when that's all it did, and there was no Pro version. I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I stopped using Kaspersky just a couple of months ago. When was that interval? It's had the possibility of Read Time protection for a few years at least. Then perhaps your MBAM was still in Free Mode. Kaspersky should not complain about that. Yes, that could be. -- Ken |
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"Paul" wrote in message
... Eric Stevens wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2020 17:56:15 GMT, MajorLanGod wrote: I use (and pay for) Malwarebytes for the extras it offers like protection from rootkits and other things that Windows Defender doesn't offer (TTBOMK) When I installed Kaspersky it asked me to uninstall Malwarebytes. Apparently they clash in some way. AV programs are set up to complain, if a second "real time protection" AV is running. The paid version of Malwarebytes is "real time protection". The 14 day trial version of Malwarebytes is "real time protection". But the free version of Malwarebytes is "on-demand scanner", and for those, there is no complaint. After the 14 day trial, Malwarebytes removes its "I'm a real time protection program" flag, then Malwarebytes reverts to being "on-demand scans only". If you have too many Real Time protection programs, the I/O on the machine gets slower and slower, the more of them that are present. They take turns reading the file in a sense (each could be implemented as a stacked filter driver, so that data read from disk, is passed through each filter as each one gets a chance to scan the data). As an example of what the penalty for real time scanning is like, if I run hashdeep64 (a recursive checksum program that generates checksums for the entire partition), it runs at one seventh the normal rate if Windows Defender is doing real time scanning. If it normally ran at 98MB/sec on WinXP, it would run at 14MB/sec on Windows 10. If you're doing something I/O intensive, the penalty adds up. Imagine two or three real time scanner programs doing that while you're running hashdeep64. And there's only so much that buying a faster ("5GHz") CPU can do. Some of the processes insist on all hogging a single core, so it's not even a matter of "buying a 64 core processor to fix it". Even that would not help. The ability of software people to waste resources, is much better than the ability of the hardware guys to make faster hardware. Your NVMe drive can't help you, on CPU-bound behavior cases. Such as scanning the crap out of every small file you access on the drive. If the guys developing software were given slower computers, we would get better "more efficient" software :-) It's because they all got 18 core HP computers with 64GB of memory, that everything they write, stinks. +1 -- Regards wasbit |
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