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Old October 10th 18, 08:52 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 10/9/2018 2:13 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

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If your ISP will let you _send_ emails with a From: that has nothing to
do with that ISP, then indeed you don't need an _outgoing_ mail server.
You still need an _incoming_ one (though many domain-registering
companies will provide that, often with autoforwarding too). Your ISP
cannot, I think, provide that unless they're also handling your domain
registration, as _incoming_ mail won't come anywhere near them.


I disagree.

My Internet connection is through Spectrum, which also provides cable TV
service in my community. When it was Time Warner Cable before the
merger, they insisted I use their domain in my E-mail address. For that


For _outgoing_ emails. And incoming ones if you wanted those emails to
come via them.

reason, I subscribed to E-mail and Web hosting from Sunset.net at
http://sunset.net/index.html, which does not impose such a limitation.
(I do still have such an E-mail address with a roadrunner.com domain,
which I only use as a backup for sending messages on the rare occasion
when Sunset.net goes down.)


For _incoming_ emails, what is the format of your address - does it end
in @yourdomain.*? If so, it must come via Sunset. Not your ISP
(Spectrum). If someone emails @yourdomian, "the internet" does not know
to send it to Spectrum. So you are using the _incoming_ email server
(POP or IMAP) at Sunset. For outgoing (SMTP), you could be using a
server at either, assuming Spectrum have one and allow you to use a
non-Spectrum From: address.

When the original registry for my domain decided to concentrate on Web
development and stopped being a registry, I started using Omnis Network
at http://www.omnis.com/, which I still use for my annual domain
renewal.

Thus, I have one ISP for a broadband connection to the Internet and an
unrelated ISP for hosting my E-mail and Web site. I also have a third
unrelated company for registering my domain.

I noticed that I might save some money by using Omnis Network in place
of Sunset.net for hosting my E-mail and Web site. I might explore that.

Yes, many registrars (I think most) offer email and web hosting, often
thrown in with the registration (mine, tsohost, do, for their smallest
offering, which is far bigger than I need for my website anyway; it
includes forwarding, so I have the email forwarded to the email address
my connection provider [PlusNet] provide, with no-one else needing to
know that address). Such combinations of email/webhost with registration
are often cheaper than doing email/webhost with one and registration
with another - as well as less hassle of only having to pay one of them.
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Everyone looks sun-kissed and beautiful and as you watch it ["Bondi Rescue"],
pale and flabby on your sofa, you find yourself wondering if your life could
ever be that exotic. (It couldn't. You're British.) - Russell Howard, in
Radio Times, 20-26 April 2013
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Old October 10th 18, 02:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| reason, I subscribed to E-mail and Web hosting from Sunset.net at
| http://sunset.net/index.html, which does not impose such a limitation.
| (I do still have such an E-mail address with a roadrunner.com domain,
| which I only use as a backup for sending messages on the rare occasion
| when Sunset.net goes down.)
|
| For _incoming_ emails, what is the format of your address - does it end
| in @yourdomain.*? If so, it must come via Sunset. Not your ISP
| (Spectrum).

I think that's what he's saying. It's confusing
because he was calling Sunset an ISP when it's
actually a web host.

I do similar. I have a domain and pay $9/montrh for
very dependable hosting, which includes something
like 100 email addresses if I want them. I use
several. I think it's sad that more people don't
understand how to do that. In the early days you
could host your own server over an Internet connection.
You can still, fairly easily, run your own domain. But
most people now just see the Internet as a service
"out there", rather than something the can take
part in.

There's a big caveat, though: Webhosts vary about
how they handle email and they don't always make it
clear upfront. I once set someone up with NetSol as
a webhost, figuring the extra cost would be justified
by smooth operation. It turned out NetSol didn't even
have domain email service! But they were cagey about
it, so that I didn't understand the deal until after I'd
set it up.
Anyone who gets a webhost needs to make sure
of what they're getting. I doubt you'll get mail through
a budget operation like GoDaddy, for instance. They're
for small businesses with sites that no one visits, who
don't know enough to be embarassed having
written across the back of
their SUV.

At the other end of the spectrum are hosts with
inexplicably high prices - like $80-100/month.

Then there's the new-ish fake hosting. Stuff like Wix,
where you buy a domain, darg-drop a site for yourself
at Wix, then the whole thing is hosted through their
server. It's pure javascript and you have no direct
control over anything. Your own domain url is just
redirected to Wix. I doubt they offer email or even
server access. Again, they're for people who don't know
any better and don't understand that their visitors
may not see the same page they see.

Decent hosting will usually cost around $10/month.
Personally I'd highly recommend futurequest.net,
where I've been hosting for several years. It's a
relatively small company. Personal service. Dependable.
And real webhosting for reasonable prices. A dedicated
PC and dedicated IP for $9/month. I'm sure
there are other good hosts. I just don't have experience
with others that I know enough about to recommend.


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Old October 11th 18, 03:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 10/10/2018 12:52 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote [in part]:
In message ,I also wrote in part:
My Internet connection is through Spectrum, which also provides cable TV
service in my community. When it was Time Warner Cable before the
merger, they insisted I use their domain in my E-mail address. For that


For _outgoing_ emails. And incoming ones if you wanted those emails to
come via them.


That is because of how Time Warner operated. It is not a result of any
limitation in my Thunderbird E-mail client or in the POP3/SMTP
definitions. I have not checked to see if Spectrum still enforces this
restriction.


reason, I subscribed to E-mail and Web hosting from Sunset.net at
http://sunset.net/index.html, which does not impose such a limitation.
(I do still have such an E-mail address with a roadrunner.com domain,
which I only use as a backup for sending messages on the rare occasion
when Sunset.net goes down.)


For _incoming_ emails, what is the format of your address - does it end
in @yourdomain.*? If so, it must come via Sunset. Not your ISP
(Spectrum). If someone emails @yourdomian, "the internet" does not know
to send it to Spectrum. So you are using the _incoming_ email server
(POP or IMAP) at Sunset. For outgoing (SMTP), you could be using a
server at either, assuming Spectrum have one and allow you to use a
non-Spectrum From: address.


Both outgoing and incoming E-mail messages, I use the same E-mail
address. The address uses my rossde.com domain.

Actually, I have four E-mail addresses, all using the rossde.com domain.
Three of them get routed to my computer because I setup Thunderbird to
access those addresses. The fourth one gets routed to my wife's
computer, again because I setup Thunderbird on her computer to access
that address. I can tell from the header sections in the message
sources that all these messages indeed come through Sunset.net's POP3
server. Furthermore, I also see a connection to Sunset.net's SMTP
server when I send E-mail.

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http://www.rossde.com

Too often, Twitter is a source of verbal vomit. Examples include Donald
Trump, Roseanne Barr, and Elon Musk.
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Old October 11th 18, 03:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 10/10/2018 6:14 AM, Mayayana wrote [in part]:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

I think that's what he's saying. It's confusing
because he was calling Sunset an ISP when it's
actually a web host.


Sunset.net is actually an ISP within its locale. When I first
subscribed to it, I could have had a dial-up Internet connection
directly through Sunset.net. However, I wanted a broad-band connection,
which was available through Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) or AT&T.
Time Warner Cable offered a better deal (speed and cost) than AT&T, so
that is what I have.

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http://www.rossde.com

Too often, Twitter is a source of verbal vomit. Examples include Donald
Trump, Roseanne Barr, and Elon Musk.
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Old October 11th 18, 09:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , David E. Ross
writes:
On 10/10/2018 6:14 AM, Mayayana wrote [in part]:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

I think that's what he's saying. It's confusing
because he was calling Sunset an ISP when it's
actually a web host.


I didn't actually write the above words, though it doesn't matter to
this discussion. (Counting ""s would show, but it's not obvious. [DER
didn't snip the "JPG wrote" line as he should have.])

Sunset.net is actually an ISP within its locale. When I first
subscribed to it, I could have had a dial-up Internet connection
directly through Sunset.net. However, I wanted a broad-band connection,
which was available through Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum) or AT&T.
Time Warner Cable offered a better deal (speed and cost) than AT&T, so
that is what I have.

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https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...n=gHafDVBYobum
elL9J54c
(Petitions - at least e-petitions - should collect votes both for and
against, if they're going to be reported as indicative of public
opinion.)

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it a chair!" "Why not call it a rock?" (First series, fit the sixth.)
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Old October 12th 18, 01:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 09 Oct 2018, VanguardLH wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

"hatethem" (looks like a nymshifter) wrote:


"hatethem" changes nyms with every topic they start. You can also
recognize them because they often embed a question that could easily be
figured out on their own in a silly rant. Also, they rarely provide
information even when it's requested, and they usually provide no
followup. Other of their dozens on nyms in the past few months:

AIOE
aioeuse "aioeuse
aiole
OMG
Oskar
PosErr
puppylove
Ralph
Remotely
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Old October 15th 18, 02:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 10/8/2018 6:40 PM, hatethem wrote:
Same computer and with Thunderbird containing previous eMails for all
GMAIL acounts.Â* Several..

Started computer and GOOGLE says it is a different computer.Â* NO IT IS
NOT.Â* No changed mad to this computer.Â* Just been off for a while.
Same damn computer !

Now it wants to VERIFY by collecting my phone number to send a text to.

Google Ass Holes !!!!!!

Is there any way around this total CRAP !

May just quit damn GMAIL and do all on Outlook !

My accounts work on other PCs but where I am at this time is the one I
have to work with.

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https://www.avast.com/antivirus


GOOGLE loads computers with malware! well- probably spy-ware.

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Old November 23rd 18, 06:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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hello hate them, me too. They are thieves.
Google is the worst thief on the internet.
Its fact. Just read how many law suits are
against them in the world/ and then maybe,
it will make up your mind for you/


On 10/8/2018 4:40 PM, hatethem scribbled:
Same computer and with Thunderbird containing previous eMails for all
GMAIL acounts. Several..

Started computer and GOOGLE says it is a different computer. NO IT IS
NOT. No changed mad to this computer. Just been off for a while.
Same damn computer !

Now it wants to VERIFY by collecting my phone number to send a text to.

Google Ass Holes !!!!!!

Is there any way around this total CRAP !

May just quit damn GMAIL and do all on Outlook !

My accounts work on other PCs but where I am at this time is the one I
have to work with.

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Old November 23rd 18, 08:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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tesla sTinker wrote:

... Just read how many law suits are
against them in the world/ and then maybe,
it will make up your mind for you/


But lawyers will sue for just about anything.

You have to consider the merits of the lawsuits
before drawing a conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung

Paul
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Old November 23rd 18, 05:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 11/22/2018 11:12 PM, Paul wrote:
tesla sTinker wrote:

... Just read how many law suits are
against them in the world/ and then maybe,
it will make up your mind for you/


But lawyers will sue for just about anything.

You have to consider the merits of the lawsuits
before drawing a conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung

Paul


The problem with many proposals for tort reform is that they tend to
insulate corporations from customers when the corporations really do
something bad.

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http://www.rossde.com/.

The only reason we have so many laws is that not enough people will do
the right thing. (© 1997 by David Ross)
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Old November 25th 18, 03:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:33:07 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
On 11/22/2018 11:12 PM, Paul wrote:
[quoted text muted]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung

Paul


The problem with many proposals for tort reform is that they tend to
insulate corporations from customers when the corporations really do
something bad.


I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to learn that lobbyists write laws to favor
their clients rather than the little guy!


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http://BrownMath.com/
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Old November 26th 18, 12:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:33:07 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
On 11/22/2018 11:12 PM, Paul wrote:
[quoted text muted]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung

Paul


The problem with many proposals for tort reform is that they tend to
insulate corporations from customers when the corporations really do
something bad.


I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to learn that lobbyists write laws to favor
their clients rather than the little guy!


LOL. I doubt if the OP (not quoted here) is old enough to get that funny
quote.


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Old November 26th 18, 05:32 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Bill in Co
writes:
Stan Brown wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 08:33:07 -0800, David E. Ross wrote:
On 11/22/2018 11:12 PM, Paul wrote:
[quoted text muted]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung

Paul


The problem with many proposals for tort reform is that they tend to
insulate corporations from customers when the corporations really do
something bad.


I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to learn that lobbyists write laws to favor
their clients rather than the little guy!


LOL. I doubt if the OP (not quoted here) is old enough to get that funny
quote.


Indeed. I recognised it as a reference, but have just had to think a bit
to remember where from, but I remembered eventually, which is
reassuring. ("Your winnings, sir.") I wonder - yes, found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

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happen in mine? - Bernie Winters quoted by Barry Cryer, RT 2013/11/30-12/6
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Old November 27th 18, 01:12 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:32:07 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Indeed. I recognised it as a reference, but have just had to think a bit
to remember where from, but I remembered eventually, which is
reassuring. ("Your winnings, sir.") I wonder - yes, found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME


That movie is, IMHO, one of the major arguments against relying
exclusively on streaming. I have the DVD and have watched it probably
ten times in the last fifteen years. Every time I see something new.
It blows my mind that the people involved had no idea they were doing
something special -- to them it was just that week's product.

By the way, there's an excellent book, /Round up the Usual Suspects/,
about the making of the movie. Frex, Bergman didn't know when she
recorded her last big scene whether her character would end up with
Rick or Victor Laszlo; that's why she played it to allow either
ending.

And in case anyone doesn't know, the film is /Casablanca/. If you
haven't seen it, do so tonight. (I still remember seeing it for the
first time, on a double bill with /The Maltese Falcon/. It doesn't
get better than that.)

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http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...
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Old November 27th 18, 05:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 04:32:07 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Indeed. I recognised it as a reference, but have just had to think a bit
to remember where from, but I remembered eventually, which is
reassuring. ("Your winnings, sir.") I wonder - yes, found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME


That movie is, IMHO, one of the major arguments against relying
exclusively on streaming. I have the DVD and have watched it probably
ten times in the last fifteen years. Every time I see something new.
It blows my mind that the people involved had no idea they were doing
something special -- to them it was just that week's product.


Weeell ... I think _some_ of them knew it was pro-war (oversimplifying -
but in favour of America getting involved, which I think it hadn't
decided to be at that point). But yes, some of them would indeed have
jut been doing this week's job. (And some of them - such as the lighting
cameraman - doing it excellently, to the extent of it not having been
bettered since.)

By the way, there's an excellent book, /Round up the Usual Suspects/,
about the making of the movie. Frex, Bergman didn't know when she
recorded her last big scene whether her character would end up with
Rick or Victor Laszlo; that's why she played it to allow either
ending.

And in case anyone doesn't know, the film is /Casablanca/. If you
haven't seen it, do so tonight. (I still remember seeing it for the
first time, on a double bill with /The Maltese Falcon/. It doesn't
get better than that.)

I saw, I think it was, a fiftieth anniversary showing, at the Empire,
Leicester Square. The projectionist let the film flap through to the
end; it (not because of that) got a standing ovation, which felt rather
surreal.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Have you ever heard about a petition, disagreed with it, but been frustrated
that there's no way you can *show* that you disagree? If so, have a look at
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 - and please pass it on if you
agree, especially to twitter, facebook, gransnet/mumsnet, or any such forum.

No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.
- Penny Mayes, UMRA, 2014-August
 




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