Changing Hard Drives

Patch wrote:
I have XP Pro installed on a small drive (15 Gig). It is formatted
with NTFS. I would like to transfer the entire install on this drive
to a different 60 Gig that is formatted in Fat 32. I have burned a
copy of the NTFS drive to a DVD. What's the best way to do this? I
might add that this is a dual-boot, so I can boot to a 30 Gig drive
where I could restore the DVD backup to the C: drive. Will the new HD
need to be formatted NTFS first?

You will either need to reinstall and then move documents and other data, or
you will have to use third party software such as Ghost. You cannot simply
copy the OS and expect it to work.

I have XP Pro installed on a small drive (15 Gig). It is formatted with
NTFS. I would like to transfer the entire install on this drive to a
different 60 Gig that is formatted in Fat 32. I have burned a copy of the
NTFS drive to a DVD. What's the best way to do this? I might add that this
is a dual-boot, so I can boot to a 30 Gig drive where I could restore the
DVD backup to the C: drive. Will the new HD need to be formatted NTFS first?

Thanks

I'd certainly recommend using NTFS over FAT32 anyway. Is there a reason
you need to keep the 60Gb drive as FAT32? Is there something on it you
want to keep, or something?

The way I'd do it would be to install the 60Gb drive, as a secondary
drive. Make both disk Dynamic, and then mirror the 15Gb drive to the 60.
When that's complete, you should be able to pull the 15 and let the
machine boot using the 15Gb partition on the 60. Of course, it will be
unmirrored, and you'll need to break that mirror, at some point. Since
the disk is dynamic, you'll also be able to expand it to the full 60Gb
later, if you want.

Andre, is there a reason that wouldn't work?

grep

André Gulliksen wrote:
Patch wrote:

I have XP Pro installed on a small drive (15 Gig). It is formatted
with NTFS. I would like to transfer the entire install on this drive
to a different 60 Gig that is formatted in Fat 32. I have burned a
copy of the NTFS drive to a DVD. What's the best way to do this? I
might add that this is a dual-boot, so I can boot to a 30 Gig drive
where I could restore the DVD backup to the C: drive. Will the new HD
need to be formatted NTFS first?


You will either need to reinstall and then move documents and other data, or
you will have to use third party software such as Ghost. You cannot simply
copy the OS and expect it to work.

grep

Patch wrote "this is a dual-boot". Implying another version of
Windows -perhaps Windows 98?

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"grep" wrote in message
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I'd certainly recommend using NTFS over FAT32 anyway. Is there a
reason you need to keep the 60Gb drive as FAT32? Is there something on
it you want to keep, or something?

The way I'd do it would be to install the 60Gb drive, as a secondary
drive. Make both disk Dynamic, and then mirror the 15Gb drive to the
60. When that's complete, you should be able to pull the 15 and let
the machine boot using the 15Gb partition on the 60. Of course, it
will be unmirrored, and you'll need to break that mirror, at some
point. Since the disk is dynamic, you'll also be able to expand it to
the full 60Gb later, if you want.

Andre, is there a reason that wouldn't work?

grep

André Gulliksen wrote:
Patch wrote:

I have XP Pro installed on a small drive (15 Gig). It is formatted
with NTFS. I would like to transfer the entire install on this drive
to a different 60 Gig that is formatted in Fat 32. I have burned a
copy of the NTFS drive to a DVD. What's the best way to do this? I
might add that this is a dual-boot, so I can boot to a 30 Gig drive
where I could restore the DVD backup to the C: drive. Will the new HD
need to be formatted NTFS first?


You will either need to reinstall and then move documents and other
data, or you will have to use third party software such as Ghost. You
cannot simply copy the OS and expect it to work.

grep wrote:
The way I'd do it would be to install the 60Gb drive, as a secondary
drive. Make both disk Dynamic, and then mirror the 15Gb drive to the
60. When that's complete, you should be able to pull the 15 and let
the machine boot using the 15Gb partition on the 60. Of course, it
will be unmirrored, and you'll need to break that mirror, at some
point. Since the disk is dynamic, you'll also be able to expand it to
the full 60Gb later, if you want.

Andre, is there a reason that wouldn't work?

I did not think of this method, and have not tried it myself, but it might
work. At least if you boot with a recovery console and run fixboot and/or
fixmbr after removing the 15 GB drive.

Not to burst your bubble, but:
Mirrored volumes are not available on computers running Windows 2000
Professional, Windows XP Home Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows
XP 64-Bit Edition.

Bummer, ain't it.

george

"grep" wrote in message
...
I'd certainly recommend using NTFS over FAT32 anyway. Is there a reason
you need to keep the 60Gb drive as FAT32? Is there something on it you
want to keep, or something?

The way I'd do it would be to install the 60Gb drive, as a secondary
drive. Make both disk Dynamic, and then mirror the 15Gb drive to the 60.
When that's complete, you should be able to pull the 15 and let the
machine boot using the 15Gb partition on the 60. Of course, it will be
unmirrored, and you'll need to break that mirror, at some point. Since the
disk is dynamic, you'll also be able to expand it to the full 60Gb later,
if you want.

Andre, is there a reason that wouldn't work?

grep

André Gulliksen wrote:
Patch wrote:

I have XP Pro installed on a small drive (15 Gig). It is formatted
with NTFS. I would like to transfer the entire install on this drive
to a different 60 Gig that is formatted in Fat 32. I have burned a
copy of the NTFS drive to a DVD. What's the best way to do this? I
might add that this is a dual-boot, so I can boot to a 30 Gig drive
where I could restore the DVD backup to the C: drive. Will the new HD
need to be formatted NTFS first?


You will either need to reinstall and then move documents and other data,
or you will have to use third party software such as Ghost. You cannot
simply copy the OS and expect it to work.

Won't work for a variety of reasons and you don't want to go near dynamic
volumes yet. They're fine in a managed environment, but in an unmanaged they
can be highly problematic if things go splat.

The new drive, unless it was an OEM/whitebox kit, came with a utility that
will copy the contents of the old drive to the new drive. Just use that.

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"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
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grep wrote:
The way I'd do it would be to install the 60Gb drive, as a secondary
drive. Make both disk Dynamic, and then mirror the 15Gb drive to the
60. When that's complete, you should be able to pull the 15 and let
the machine boot using the 15Gb partition on the 60. Of course, it
will be unmirrored, and you'll need to break that mirror, at some
point. Since the disk is dynamic, you'll also be able to expand it to
the full 60Gb later, if you want.

Andre, is there a reason that wouldn't work?

I did not think of this method, and have not tried it myself, but it might
work. At least if you boot with a recovery console and run fixboot and/or
fixmbr after removing the 15 GB drive.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:23:55 +0100, george wrote:

Not to burst your bubble, but:
Mirrored volumes are not available on computers running Windows 2000
Professional, Windows XP Home Edition, Windows XP Professional, or Windows
XP 64-Bit Edition.

Bummer, ain't it.

george


"Mirrored volumes are not available on computers running..."

They are quite available and many people do run RAID 1 and RAID 5.

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com

Excuse me, but the reaction was given to an answer that talked about making
the disks dynamic and then taking a mirror.
No indication that there already was a hardware Raid solution available, nor
that such a solution would be made available through purchase.
This leaves only the software solution built into the Windows product and
(aside from the discussion if the software approach is a good one),
technically (according to Microsoft documentation) the software based fault
tolerant solutions are not available in the products mentioned.
Hence, "quite available and many people do run RAID 1 and RAID 5." can only
pertain to a solution that involves adding additional hardware (ie.
controller) to the machine.

george


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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:23:55 +0100, george wrote:

Not to burst your bubble, but:
Mirrored volumes are not available on computers running Windows 2000
Professional, Windows XP Home Edition, Windows XP Professional, or
Windows
XP 64-Bit Edition.

Bummer, ain't it.

george


"Mirrored volumes are not available on computers running..."

They are quite available and many people do run RAID 1 and RAID 5.

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:29:11 +0100, george wrote:

Excuse me, but the reaction was given to an answer that talked about
making the disks dynamic and then taking a mirror. No indication that
there already was a hardware Raid solution available, nor that such a
solution would be made available through purchase. This leaves only the
software solution built into the Windows product and (aside from the
discussion if the software approach is a good one), technically (according
to Microsoft documentation) the software based fault tolerant solutions
are not available in the products mentioned. Hence, "quite available and
many people do run RAID 1 and RAID 5." can only pertain to a solution that
involves adding additional hardware (ie. controller) to the machine.

george




I'm not posing this question to be a smart *ss, but is there an OS that
supports RAID natively through software without a hardware controller?

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com

Yes, at least Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;323434


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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:29:11 +0100, george wrote:

Excuse me, but the reaction was given to an answer that talked about
making the disks dynamic and then taking a mirror. No indication that
there already was a hardware Raid solution available, nor that such a
solution would be made available through purchase. This leaves only the
software solution built into the Windows product and (aside from the
discussion if the software approach is a good one), technically
(according
to Microsoft documentation) the software based fault tolerant solutions
are not available in the products mentioned. Hence, "quite available and
many people do run RAID 1 and RAID 5." can only pertain to a solution
that
involves adding additional hardware (ie. controller) to the machine.

george




I'm not posing this question to be a smart *ss, but is there an OS that
supports RAID natively through software without a hardware controller?

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com

Rush wrote:
I'm not posing this question to be a smart *ss, but is there an OS
that supports RAID natively through software without a hardware
controller?

If you only refer to Windows OSes: The Windows NT server variants, at least
since NT 4.0 (I don't know about 3.x), all supports some sort of software
RAID.

RAID is a hardware solution..

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MVP - Windows Shell/user

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"Rush" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:29:11 +0100, george wrote:

Excuse me, but the reaction was given to an answer that talked about
making the disks dynamic and then taking a mirror. No indication that
there already was a hardware Raid solution available, nor that such a
solution would be made available through purchase. This leaves only the
software solution built into the Windows product and (aside from the
discussion if the software approach is a good one), technically
(according
to Microsoft documentation) the software based fault tolerant solutions
are not available in the products mentioned. Hence, "quite available and
many people do run RAID 1 and RAID 5." can only pertain to a solution
that
involves adding additional hardware (ie. controller) to the machine.

george




I'm not posing this question to be a smart *ss, but is there an OS that
supports RAID natively through software without a hardware controller?

Rush
http://www.bythedrop.com

Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
RAID is a hardware solution..

RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the organization of multiple
disks into one large logical disk, normally with the intent of achieving
larger volumes than is possible with single disks, higher total transfer
speed and/or security from drive failures. The actual drives and the
interfaces are of course hardware, but the logics behind splitting data
between disks can be handled in both software and hardware.

The actual drives and the interfaces are of course hardware.. quote from
your post..

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MVP - Windows Shell/user

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"André Gulliksen" wrote in message
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Mike Hall (MS-MVP) wrote:
RAID is a hardware solution..

RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks) is the organization of
multiple disks into one large logical disk, normally with the intent of
achieving larger volumes than is possible with single disks, higher total
transfer speed and/or security from drive failures. The actual drives and
the interfaces are of course hardware, but the logics behind splitting
data between disks can be handled in both software and hardware.