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Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. First while Xp was still installed I went in and wrote down all the various devices I figured I might have issues with. As expected many unknown devices after install finishes but Win7 is up and running. Took some doing to find a Realtek sound card driver even more so to find a driver for the SIS 900 nic. Device manager trying to update driver finds nada. What I don't understand is Windows Update Catalog gives me various downloads for the wireless card and the video (Radeon Mobilit 9600) but none fo them work! In particular during install the Radeon download states there's a file missing. Note doesn't tell you what it is. Kinda getting frustrating looking and all the "drive download" places want you to run some driver downloader which excuse language but "**** that bs". They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for something they want they aren't willing to share with you. AMD's site gives a download for the Radeon but that also fails and unsure why as it states it installed ok but device manager shows different even after a reboot. Thankfully system does play mp3 files ok and xvid video ok as well, usb works etc. which is what I really wanted it for, e.g. a camp media system, no internet etc. In any case anyone have any ideas might help? I'd least like to get video card working using presumably a better driver. |
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pjp wrote:
Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. First while Xp was still installed I went in and wrote down all the various devices I figured I might have issues with. As expected many unknown devices after install finishes but Win7 is up and running. Took some doing to find a Realtek sound card driver even more so to find a driver for the SIS 900 nic. Device manager trying to update driver finds nada. What I don't understand is Windows Update Catalog gives me various downloads for the wireless card and the video (Radeon Mobilit 9600) but none fo them work! In particular during install the Radeon download states there's a file missing. Note doesn't tell you what it is. Kinda getting frustrating looking and all the "drive download" places want you to run some driver downloader which excuse language but "**** that bs". They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for something they want they aren't willing to share with you. AMD's site gives a download for the Radeon but that also fails and unsure why as it states it installed ok but device manager shows different even after a reboot. Thankfully system does play mp3 files ok and xvid video ok as well, usb works etc. which is what I really wanted it for, e.g. a camp media system, no internet etc. In any case anyone have any ideas might help? I'd least like to get video card working using presumably a better driver. There are some missing driver programs that have helped me out in a pinch, and one of them is Driver Booster (from iobit). They aren't all junk, and yes, some of these need to install their driver checking program to actually check for the missing drivers. AFAIK, Driver Booster seems to have a decent reputation, if you look at the reviews. Link is below. I had to use a couple of such programs (in addition to the Dell driver support site) to get some missing drivers. The second link is one review of the program. https://www.iobit.com/en/driver-booster.php https://www.lifewire.com/driver-booster-review-2619190 |
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pjp wrote:
Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. First while Xp was still installed I went in and wrote down all the various devices I figured I might have issues with. As expected many unknown devices after install finishes but Win7 is up and running. Took some doing to find a Realtek sound card driver even more so to find a driver for the SIS 900 nic. Device manager trying to update driver finds nada. What I don't understand is Windows Update Catalog gives me various downloads for the wireless card and the video (Radeon Mobilit 9600) but none fo them work! In particular during install the Radeon download states there's a file missing. Note doesn't tell you what it is. Kinda getting frustrating looking and all the "drive download" places want you to run some driver downloader which excuse language but "**** that bs". They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for something they want they aren't willing to share with you. AMD's site gives a download for the Radeon but that also fails and unsure why as it states it installed ok but device manager shows different even after a reboot. Thankfully system does play mp3 files ok and xvid video ok as well, usb works etc. which is what I really wanted it for, e.g. a camp media system, no internet etc. In any case anyone have any ideas might help? I'd least like to get video card working using presumably a better driver. Maybe try Vista drivers. And try DX9. |
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pjp wrote:
Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. First while Xp was still installed I went in and wrote down all the various devices I figured I might have issues with. As expected many unknown devices after install finishes but Win7 is up and running. Took some doing to find a Realtek sound card driver even more so to find a driver for the SIS 900 nic. Device manager trying to update driver finds nada. What I don't understand is Windows Update Catalog gives me various downloads for the wireless card and the video (Radeon Mobilit 9600) but none fo them work! In particular during install the Radeon download states there's a file missing. Note doesn't tell you what it is. Kinda getting frustrating looking and all the "drive download" places want you to run some driver downloader which excuse language but "**** that bs". They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for something they want they aren't willing to share with you. AMD's site gives a download for the Radeon but that also fails and unsure why as it states it installed ok but device manager shows different even after a reboot. Thankfully system does play mp3 files ok and xvid video ok as well, usb works etc. which is what I really wanted it for, e.g. a camp media system, no internet etc. In any case anyone have any ideas might help? I'd least like to get video card working using presumably a better driver. Laptop GPU drivers are different than desktop GPU drivers, in that the LCD panel doesn't have "Plug and Play" (PNP) information. And some file provides details for that purpose. That could be the file your driver install is complaining about. I've not hacked any laptop GPU drivers, so I can't even hazard a guess what to look for inside the old (WinXP) driver. While the two drivers likely have little in common, the need to identify the panel dimensions and refresh rate, doesn't change. Microsoft probably gets a ton of (in-box) drivers from ATI/AMD and NVidia, for their OS installer DVDs. But the driver you need, would come from Averatec, and Averatec was absorbed into the parent company (which is cheesy language for "shut down"). The parent company offers one of those "crap" pages where the drivers should be. I checked archive.org, and as near as I can determine, the 8100 came out after they stopped updating the Averatec driver site. There is an entry for 7100, and that's about as close as I could get. There is no entry for 8100. Even if there was an entry, the search function won't work on an archive.org captured page anyway. The wiring would be broken. Archived driver pages hardly ever work right. It would take the most naive driver page design, for the archived version to have actual driver files. The next time you buy a laptop, try to find a brand that has an actual, useful, driver page. Such a situation doesn't happen too often. Paul |
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writes: pjp wrote: Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. First while Xp was still installed I went in and wrote down all the various devices I figured I might have issues with. As expected many unknown devices after install finishes but Win7 is up and running. Took some doing to find a Realtek sound card driver even more so to find a driver for the SIS 900 nic. Device manager trying to update driver finds nada. What I don't understand is Windows Update Catalog gives me various downloads for the wireless card and the video (Radeon Mobilit 9600) but none fo them work! In particular during install the Radeon download states there's a file missing. Note doesn't tell you what it is. Kinda getting frustrating looking and all the "drive download" places want you to run some driver downloader which excuse language but "**** that bs". They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for something they want they aren't willing to share with you. AMD's site gives a download for the Radeon but that also fails and unsure why as it states it installed ok but device manager shows different even after a reboot. Thankfully system does play mp3 files ok and xvid video ok as well, usb works etc. which is what I really wanted it for, e.g. a camp media system, no internet etc. In any case anyone have any ideas might help? I'd least like to get video card working using presumably a better driver. There are some missing driver programs that have helped me out in a pinch, and one of them is Driver Booster (from iobit). They aren't all junk, and yes, some of these need to install their driver checking program to actually check for the missing drivers. AFAIK, Driver Booster seems to have a decent reputation, if you look at the reviews. Link is below. I had to use a couple of such programs (in addition to the Dell driver support site) to get some missing drivers. The second link is one review of the program. https://www.iobit.com/en/driver-booster.php https://www.lifewire.com/driver-booster-review-2619190 One negative point: When it scans, it produces a list of outdated drivers it's found, with big update button at the top, and a tickbox next to each one, initially all pre-ticked. If you untick some and then click the big update button, it still shows "Updating" next to _all_ of them. (It creates a restore point first, and you can click STOP while it's doing that.) I presume you have to use the individual Update buttons. (When you click STOP, it says "Please wait for stopping. This may take a while." I gave up waiting and killed it.) An amusing curiosity: the info tool tells me my two memory module manufacturers are "80CE" for the 2G module and "Kinston" for the 1G one: yes, no g! Do I have a fake! (I've had no indication it doesn't _work_ fine.) But then it also tells me my HD is IDE, and I know it's SATA, so I don't trust _that_ too much. The scan I interrupted (after it had finished scanning, just while it was preparing to update) said it found 19 out-of-date drivers, although a lot of those were the same type repeated (fair enough); a repeat still showed 19 (from the start) while scanning, but only showed four when it had finished. The individual update seems to work - well, I tried the update it offered for my webcam, which then said it wasn't working, but the rollback option (in Driver Booster, not device manager, though I would guess it just calls that) made it work again. (I didn't try a reboot, to be fair.) The tooltips picks up the text colour but not the background colour; I've seen this in other prog.s from time to time. Since I have my tooltips set to yellow on brown, and it shows them as yellow on white, they're illegible. (Another prog. - Brother's Keeper - displayed in black on brown at one time, though the author has corrected that and it now picks up both correctly.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf What a strange illusion it is to suppose that beauty is goodness. -Leo Tolstoy, novelist and philosopher (1828-1910) |
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pjp wrote: Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. First while Xp was still installed I went in and wrote down all the various devices I figured I might have issues with. As expected many unknown devices after install finishes but Win7 is up and running. Took some doing to find a Realtek sound card driver even more so to find a driver for the SIS 900 nic. Device manager trying to update driver finds nada. What I don't understand is Windows Update Catalog gives me various downloads for the wireless card and the video (Radeon Mobilit 9600) but none fo them work! In particular during install the Radeon download states there's a file missing. Note doesn't tell you what it is. Kinda getting frustrating looking and all the "drive download" places want you to run some driver downloader which excuse language but "**** that bs". They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't for something they want they aren't willing to share with you. AMD's site gives a download for the Radeon but that also fails and unsure why as it states it installed ok but device manager shows different even after a reboot. Thankfully system does play mp3 files ok and xvid video ok as well, usb works etc. which is what I really wanted it for, e.g. a camp media system, no internet etc. In any case anyone have any ideas might help? I'd least like to get video card working using presumably a better driver. I can't even find an Averatec 8100 spec summary right now. It could be chipset graphics. This listing shows some possibly similar machines. But, you'd need to check panel size and native resolution, to know for sure. https://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Ra...00.3775.0.html If I pick the Toshiba A210 as a similar model (same chipset), they have an ATI driver for Win7. https://support.toshiba.com/support/...871687&osId=31 The CH_82296.inf file looks pretty ordinary to me. Three of the lines are encoded for Toshiba, while the fourth is wild-carded and matches with any X1200 series. [ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.0] "ATI Radeon X1200" = ati2mtag_RS690M, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_791F&SUBSYS_FF1A1179 "ATI Radeon X1250" = ati2mtag_RS690M, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_791F&SUBSYS_FF601179 "ATI Radeon X1250 " = ati2mtag_RS690M, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_791F&SUBSYS_FF681179 "ATI Radeon X1200 Series" = ati2mtag_RS690M, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_791F And that's just "normal" plug and play. The 1179 probably belongs to Toshiba, while the FF1A part identifies individual laptop platforms. The fourth line is a strange thing to leave in the driver. I'm still not seeing the purported custom info there. The Toshiba A210 probably uses an entirely different panel. Your Averatec could be a 4:3 or 5:4 panel, whereas the Tosh could be 16:9. Slim chances of a match from that point of view. Make sure the OS is backed up, before installing that, in case you can't see the screen later :-) ******* One way to "watch" the driver install, is with sysinternals.com Process Monitor. If the driver package actually probes for a "missing" file, you might catch it in the trace. ******* Another possibility I thought of, is the Averatec 8100 was also sold as an OEM laptop from the likes of Dell/HP/Acer. But unless someone mentions it in a review, I'm unlikely to make the association with any search tools as such. Trigem was used extensively with the OEMs for things like desktop motherboards, so the Korean manufacturer did play a part (and probably still does) in the supply chain. Paul |
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| Ok, I finally figured I'd try to install Win7 on an old Averatec 8100 | laptop. 1.25 Gb ram, 60Gb hd, P4 at 3Gz. So figured it'd run it. | It looks like they've hung you out to dry. The parent company is he https://trigemcom.en.ec21.com/ There's no sign of any support links. My next try would be the motherboard, but the closest I see to a manual is for the 7100. I don't know if that will be of any help: https://manualsdump.com/en/manuals/a...odel/162273/21 There can be different sources. An Acme computer with Ace motherboard and AAA chipset might turn up drivers at any one of those companies. It sounds like you know the AMD chipset. If so that's your best bet. Not from Microsoft but from AMD. Also, watch out for the unsigned problem. Post-XP Microsoft likes to just break things. I've run into cases where Windows is trying to steer me away from unsigned drivers and it can be awkward to figure out the way to tell it, "Yes, I want to install the unsigned driver." Though I haven't dealt with that recently, so I can't offer details. But I seem to remember situations where I had to go through steps to force the install "wizard" to even show me the option of the unsigned drivers. |
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