Making XP desktop look like Win98

Tim,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...

You reckon I'll find a comparable number of running processes in Win98
installation, do you?

Well, I'll give that a try, I have a W98 installation running as in M$
Virtual PC.

But, as it's getting late, I will try that on the morrow.

BTW - I read the post by "Robert Macy" - will my copy of Process
Explorer run under Win98?

Or do I need another version - was a bit hazy about what he wrote, but
seemed to be having some problems...

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"glee" wrote in message
...
OK...we'll top post.

1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere
near all processes that were actually running.

If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer
and you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the
same number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even
show your mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.


Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

Quick, aren't you!

However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

systray.exe
explorer.exe


..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something
like :

smss
csrss
winlogon
services
lsass
svchost
svchost
MsMpEng
svchost
svchost
spoolsv
svchost
avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
svchost
jqs
SMAgent
svchost
avgrsx (more of the AV)
avgemc (and more AV)
avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
alg
explorer
avgtray (and more AV)
hkcmd
MSASCui
Monitor
jusched
CTFMON
Taskmgr
cmd
ntvdm
explorer
avgnsx (last bit of AV)
iexplore
mscorsvw
cisvc
cidaemon
wuauclt
ServiceLayer
wuauclt




"glee" wrote in message
...

LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all
these background processes, and that post a task list full of
third-party processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!

Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or
XP Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

RapportMgmtService.exe
timeserv.exe
RapportService.exe
BlueSoleil.exe
TaskSwitch.exe
Monitor.exe
LUNABAR.EXE
WZQKPICK.EXE
SAVER.EXE
ZOOM.EXE
PrvDisk.exe
tclock.exe
Diskmon.exe
CLOCK.EXE
UnlockerAssistant.exe
TimsMGR.exe
ServiceLayer.exe
DATALAY.EXE

NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

These are AVG anti-virus processes:
avgwdsvc.exe
avgrsx.exe
avgemc.exe
avgcsrvx.exe

The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe
and cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
Windows Task Manager
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

Cheers!

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

Robert,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


"Robert Macy" wrote in message
...
On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" wrote:
OK...we'll top post.

1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere
near
all processes that were actually running.

If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer
and
you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show
your
mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.

Tim Meddick" wrote in message

...





Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

Quick, aren't you!

However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

systray.exe
explorer.exe

..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something
like
:

smss
csrss
winlogon
services
lsass
svchost
svchost
MsMpEng
svchost
svchost
spoolsv
svchost
avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
svchost
jqs
SMAgent
svchost
avgrsx (more of the AV)
avgemc (and more AV)
avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
alg
explorer
avgtray (and more AV)
hkcmd
MSASCui
Monitor
jusched
CTFMON
Taskmgr
cmd
ntvdm
explorer
avgnsx (last bit of AV)
iexplore
mscorsvw
cisvc
cidaemon
wuauclt
ServiceLayer
wuauclt

"glee" wrote in message
...

LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!

Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or
XP
Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

RapportMgmtService.exe
timeserv.exe
RapportService.exe
BlueSoleil.exe
TaskSwitch.exe
Monitor.exe
LUNABAR.EXE
WZQKPICK.EXE
SAVER.EXE
ZOOM.EXE
PrvDisk.exe
tclock.exe
Diskmon.exe
CLOCK.EXE
UnlockerAssistant.exe
TimsMGR.exe
ServiceLayer.exe
DATALAY.EXE

NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

These are AVG anti-virus processes:
avgwdsvc.exe
avgrsx.exe
avgemc.exe
avgcsrvx.exe

The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe
and
cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
Windows Task Manager
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

Cheers!

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+http://dts-l.net/

I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded
on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP
none of them appeared to do anything, so...

Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker
Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates
for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows
98; Windows 95 ...
www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005 -

downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to
do?
I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer,
or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on.

What is it supposed to do?

Robert,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


"Robert Macy" wrote in message
...
On Jun 9, 7:23 pm, "glee" wrote:
OK...we'll top post.

1) You're still listing a few non-XP processes in your new list.
2) Win98 would have shown more than what you listed if you ran an
anti-virus and some other utilities shown in your XP list.
3) The "task list' from Ctrl+Alt+Del in Win98 did NOT show anywhere
near
all processes that were actually running.

If you still have a Win98 installation (I do), run Process Explorer
and
you will see the "real" task list, and it will show closer to the same
number of processes as a basic XP system...it will likely even show
your
mscorsvw if you install .NET Framework on Win98.

Tim Meddick" wrote in message

...





Yes, some of those processes are of my own choosing...

Quick, aren't you!

However, the discussion was started with one of the topics being the
differences between XP and the Win98 OSes.

My tasklist for Win98 went something like :

systray.exe
explorer.exe

..and my tasklist for XP WITHOUT anything "custom" goes something
like
:

smss
csrss
winlogon
services
lsass
svchost
svchost
MsMpEng
svchost
svchost
spoolsv
svchost
avgwdsvc (I have to have some AV installed!)
svchost
jqs
SMAgent
svchost
avgrsx (more of the AV)
avgemc (and more AV)
avgcsrvx (yet more AV)
alg
explorer
avgtray (and more AV)
hkcmd
MSASCui
Monitor
jusched
CTFMON
Taskmgr
cmd
ntvdm
explorer
avgnsx (last bit of AV)
iexplore
mscorsvw
cisvc
cidaemon
wuauclt
ServiceLayer
wuauclt

"glee" wrote in message
...

LOL! Tim! Are you seriously going to discuss how XP runs all these
background processes, and that post a task list full of third-party
processes as proof?! Please tell me you are joking!

Every one of the processes I have copied below from your list are
third-party processes you have added (some are NT Resource Kit or
XP
Power Toys processes), not XP processes:

RapportMgmtService.exe
timeserv.exe
RapportService.exe
BlueSoleil.exe
TaskSwitch.exe
Monitor.exe
LUNABAR.EXE
WZQKPICK.EXE
SAVER.EXE
ZOOM.EXE
PrvDisk.exe
tclock.exe
Diskmon.exe
CLOCK.EXE
UnlockerAssistant.exe
TimsMGR.exe
ServiceLayer.exe
DATALAY.EXE

NO WONDER you take so long to log on!
As I stated, it isn't from XP serives and processes.

These are AVG anti-virus processes:
avgwdsvc.exe
avgrsx.exe
avgemc.exe
avgcsrvx.exe

The only XP processes there that I would eliminate are cisvc.exe
and
cidaemon.exe, and that is done by turning off Search Indexing.

Windows XP may run slowly and you may see multiple symptoms in
Windows Task Manager
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899869

Then you can right-click the C: in My Computer, then click
Properties, and uncheck "Allow indexing service to....."

Cheers!

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+http://dts-l.net/

I found 4 different versions of Process Explorer previously downloaded
on this machine [Win98]; one is labeled specifically for the WinXP
none of them appeared to do anything, so...

Process Explorer 11.3 software download - Windows - VersionTracker
Feb 16, 2006 ... Find Process Explorer downloads, reviews, and updates
for ... Windows XP; Windows 2003; Windows 2000; Windows NT; Windows
98; Windows 95 ...
www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/32005 -

downled that version, ran it, again, nothing what's it supposed to
do?
I did find an entry in the ctrl-alt-del listing showing procexplorer,
or such, was running, but other than that, nothing going on.

What is it supposed to do?

It is.

Please do.

Thanks.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"glee" wrote in message
...
Tim,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


clipped

It is.

Please do.

Thanks.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"glee" wrote in message
...
Tim,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


clipped

Sent.

....glen

"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...

It is.

Please do.

Thanks.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"glee" wrote in message
...
Tim,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


clipped

Sent.

....glen

"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...

It is.

Please do.

Thanks.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"glee" wrote in message
...
Tim,

If the email addy you are using here is legit, I can email you a .zip
file with an older version of Process Explorer that works with Win98.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/


clipped

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
Someday, someone will explain how WinXP is an improvement for me.
snipped Have any of you followed
how Linux boots up in less than 1 second?

And a blow-up doll is ready to have sex in less than that.


You must have a good set of lungs!

That's what I was thinking, and with XP/Win7 irradiation exposure -- it
would be impossible!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
HeyBub wrote:
Robert Macy wrote:
Someday, someone will explain how WinXP is an improvement for me.
snipped Have any of you followed
how Linux boots up in less than 1 second?

And a blow-up doll is ready to have sex in less than that.


You must have a good set of lungs!

That's what I was thinking, and with XP/Win7 irradiation exposure -- it
would be impossible!


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR

"apistomaster(nospam)" wrote in message
...
On Jun 9, 3:39 pm, "glee" wrote:
"apistomaster(nospam)" wrote in message


snippage


Still using a CRT Monitor, too, no doubt?
All my Win 7 machines boot faster than my XP machine but I use an all
wireless network so I probably shouldn't say much about antiques.
PC Luddites.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Pity you don't have a newsreader, so you must post via Google Groups,
and using Quoted Printable as well, so quoted replies are fubar'd.

XP SP3 is still a supported OS under the MS Lifecycle. You think
because someone uses or supports an older OS that they don't also use
the newer ones? My Windows 7 system boots faster than XP, but not by
a
lot....and the XP system is a multiple-boot so there's a delay added
from going through the third-party boot manager.

You think using ClearWire all-wireless makes you "progressive"? LOL!
It performs poorly in my area, with frequent down time as well.
Everyone I know who was using it has switched to cable internet for a
more reliable and high speed connection. "Antiques" has nothing to do
with it.
PC Elitists. ;-)

Dear Glen,
Over about 6 years I have posted less than 10 times so I never
bothered to set up the newsreader. Where I live, there are only 3
choices for ISP's.
1. clearwire.net not to be confused with clear.com, the erratic, short
range high speed wireless service which is not available here.
I was not clear. I run all 3 PC's on a home wireless network using
a dual channel("G" and "N") wireless router which keeps up with the
input and doesn't
drop the internet connection. I get clearwire's highest speed
package at their lowest speed price and I have never had any problem
with them.
Service is much it cheaper by far than Qwest and Cableone.
2. Qwest Only marginally faster speeds are available here but at a
much higher price than my present deal with clearwire.
3. Cableone By far the fastest available speeds in the area. But it is
the cable company, I do not like the way they do business and they
charge much more for
the same speed I am getting from clearwire. Ever try to negotiate
with a cable company? They can double my speed for almost 4 times the
price. As long as
.video streams I can afford to wait for clearwire to increase it's
local speeds.

In any case, I always enjoyed this newsgroup. It never fails to
entertain and I have learned a lot about XP from subscribing to this
group. I expected the curiously sarcastic style many use in their
answers so I don't think I was far from the norm by basically saying
better results are to be had by upgrading one's hard and software as
things evolve. I imagine it must be cool to be writing an extra $60 a
month to the cable company for truly fast internet speeds but what I
have beats dial up about 10 times over. I will miss this group if for
some reason it doesn't survive the changes because my ISP doesn't
somehow stay connected to one of the alternative providers. At least
I've never cross posted or top posted; things that seem to bring out
the little biters.

I hear you.
Can't disagree with you about dealing with cable companies either.....I
had high hopes for ClearWire when they came to my area, but they were
just not reliable here, so most of us ended up back on cable of Internet
access. I'm glad for you that your area has better service. I meant
ClearWire, not Clear...which I've never seen.

No need to explain or defend any sarcastic style....I was doing the same
thing, especially with the Elitists response to your Luddites. We're
all just having a little fun....at least till the flamers and biters
come back out.

Cheers!
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

On 2010-06-11, Robert Macy wrote:
On Jun 10, 11:59*am, Bob I wrote:
What is it supposed to do?

See herehttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

nice pictures, but that version runs on WinXP and higher, doesn't run
on Win98

A couple of alternatives:

Prcview: http://www.teamcti.com/pview/prcview.htm

Wintop, part of the Microsoft Kernel Toys for
win95 and win98; some download locations with information
about the program:

http://www.dewassoc.com/support/useful/wintop.htm
http://www.webtree.ca/newlife/wintop_info.htm
http://misweb.cbi.msstate.edu/~rpearson/tips/wintop.html

--
http://rr.www.cistron.nl/ -!- http://www.rr.dds.nl/
http://www.dread.demon.nl/

On 2010-06-11, Robert Macy wrote:
On Jun 10, 11:59*am, Bob I wrote:
What is it supposed to do?

See herehttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

nice pictures, but that version runs on WinXP and higher, doesn't run
on Win98

A couple of alternatives:

Prcview: http://www.teamcti.com/pview/prcview.htm

Wintop, part of the Microsoft Kernel Toys for
win95 and win98; some download locations with information
about the program:

http://www.dewassoc.com/support/useful/wintop.htm
http://www.webtree.ca/newlife/wintop_info.htm
http://misweb.cbi.msstate.edu/~rpearson/tips/wintop.html

--
http://rr.www.cistron.nl/ -!- http://www.rr.dds.nl/
http://www.dread.demon.nl/

"Rasta Robert" wrote in message
...
On 2010-06-11, Robert Macy wrote:
On Jun 10, 11:59 am, Bob I wrote:
What is it supposed to do?

See
herehttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

nice pictures, but that version runs on WinXP and higher, doesn't run
on Win98

A couple of alternatives:

Prcview: http://www.teamcti.com/pview/prcview.htm

Wintop, part of the Microsoft Kernel Toys for
win95 and win98; some download locations with information
about the program:

http://www.dewassoc.com/support/useful/wintop.htm
http://www.webtree.ca/newlife/wintop_info.htm
http://misweb.cbi.msstate.edu/~rpearson/tips/wintop.html


Good ones.
Wintop totally slipped my mind. I've used it since the Win95 KernelToys
came out, on Win9x systems.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

"Rasta Robert" wrote in message
...
On 2010-06-11, Robert Macy wrote:
On Jun 10, 11:59 am, Bob I wrote:
What is it supposed to do?

See
herehttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

nice pictures, but that version runs on WinXP and higher, doesn't run
on Win98

A couple of alternatives:

Prcview: http://www.teamcti.com/pview/prcview.htm

Wintop, part of the Microsoft Kernel Toys for
win95 and win98; some download locations with information
about the program:

http://www.dewassoc.com/support/useful/wintop.htm
http://www.webtree.ca/newlife/wintop_info.htm
http://misweb.cbi.msstate.edu/~rpearson/tips/wintop.html


Good ones.
Wintop totally slipped my mind. I've used it since the Win95 KernelToys
came out, on Win9x systems.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/