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In article , chrisv
wrote:

the batteries are heated and shortly before leaving, you can preheat
the cabin via a smartphone app.

_How_ are they heated?

via a heater module on the batteries.

Which is fine, if you're plugged-in. Otherwise, you're sucking
battery power.

it's a negligible amount, reducing your range by a few miles, out of
200+ miles.

nospam wrote:

chrisv wrote:

the batteries are heated and shortly before leaving, you can preheat
the cabin via a smartphone app.

_How_ are they heated?

via a heater module on the batteries.

Which is fine, if you're plugged-in. Otherwise, you're sucking
battery power.

it's a negligible amount, reducing your range by a few miles, out of
200+ miles.

Heating the cabin and batteries takes a "negligible" amount of power,
when it's below-zero F? Bull****.

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On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 12:22:40 -0500, Paul
wrote:

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
On 01/06/2018 06:22 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill Gunshannon
wrote:

I haven't looked
lately as I am not in the market for any kind of electric vehicle
but the last time I looked the all electrics I saw didn't even have
enough driving range for my daily commute.

how far is your daily commute?

you'd need to be driving on the order of 100 miles *each* way for it to
be an issue.


See my last post. My commute was 60-70 miles and the
majority of cars that normal working class people can
actually afford barely make that.

see my reply to that post.

while there are electric vehicles with very short range (for those who
don't drive very far), there are also models with greater range.

don't dismiss electric because you chose the wrong car.


Like most of us in the working class I can only choose from
the list of cars I can afford. Tesla is not on that list.

bill


Tesla Model 3 — 220 miles (354 km) or 310 miles (499 km)
$35000 $44000

That's certainly affordable in the United States but becomes a lot
less so here in Canada. Add to that the fact that there is a wait time
for the cars and the deal is less interesting.

On 7 Jan 2018 15:15:54 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

DaveFroble wrote:

there's essentially no maintenance on an electric vehicle, so no.

There is no such thing as a vehicle that doesn't need periodic maintenance.
Granted, with electric, no more oil changes, no more exhaust systems to replace,
and such. But there will be places with lube, and such. And components will
need service. You still running that 50 year old computer with no issues? Or
even 2-3 years.

For the most part, the auto industry has realized that people don't actually
do maintenance, and has been slowly engineering it out.

Considering how the cars I purchase come with built-in maintenance
reminders, I find this particularly hard to believe. Maintenances for
financed cars whose warranty period ended I would believe but not
those which are still covered.

Used to be you would
grease the bearings every few thousand miles, and they lasted forever if you
did (but didn't always last so long if you neglected to). Now, in the new era
you don't have to grease them, but you can expect a failure within 150,000
miles. We have traded maintenance for repairs, and for the average driver
that's probably a win.

If you buy a Chrysler, you can expect a problem every 500 miles.

snip

chrisv wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

These days it's not unusual at all for houses to have 200A service

200A service is *not* usual. 100A is usual.

and putting a 100A 240V outlet in
the garage for a charger does not require a major retrofit.


Well, I got 200 amp, and I'm out in the boonies.

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Vanderbilt, PA 15486

In article
chrisv wrote:

Doomsdrzej, AKA "Slimer", wrote:

The electic car HAS to look mostly bloated

Wrong, obviously.

An empty gas tank can quickly be filled at one of the many gas
stations around any country. The process itself takes about 2 to 5
minutes depending on how much gas you need and you're ready to go the
moment you've filled up. In the case of electric, even with fast
charging, you need a good 30 minutes to get to 80%.

Finally, a worthy point from "Slimer".

I'll add that electric vehicles work are not so good in places where
that are extreme temperatures. Heating and A/C take a lot of power.
Fine in California, not so fine in Calgary.

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Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
Den 2018-01-08 kl. 14:05, skrev chrisv:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

These days it's not unusual at all for houses to have 200A service

200A service is *not* usual. 100A is usual.

and putting a 100A 240V outlet in
the garage for a charger does not require a major retrofit.


I'm not sure where you live, but over here (Sweden) either 16A/240V,
20A/240V or 32A/240V (if you have higher electricity needs) are the
usual values. The fixed "distribution" rates goes up fast for higher
service ratings.

Having an 100A outlet at home would need a major work to get installed.
I have never heard about that if you do not run a workshop in your
garage with some heavy machinery or something...

You use 240 volt. That makes a difference. How much is required by that decent
welder in your shop?

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DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

chrisv wrote:
Doomsdrzej, AKA "Slimer", wrote:

nospam wrote:
the batteries are heated and shortly before leaving, you can preheat
the cabin via a smartphone app.
_How_ are they heated?
via a heater module on the batteries.

Which is fine, if you're plugged-in. Otherwise, you're sucking
battery power.

Pre-heating the cabin essentially means that you've turned on the car
remotely. However, this is only possible if the car starts which, of
course, often requires the batteries to be heated.
for a gas powered vehicle, the engine must be running.

not true for an electric vehicle.
Very interesting to know, thanks.

Well, duh. The heater's not working off from engine coolant...


Think about this. That waste heat wasn't free. It's unused energy. That means
you've had to put much more potential into the gasoline engine to get what you
need. With electric, less energy is required. Of course, the heat is nice when
it's cold. Still, from an energy perspective, the gasoline engine is rather
wasteful.

--
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Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail:
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:38:58 +1300, Your Name
wrote:

On 2018-01-07 15:48:38 +0000, Doomsdrzej said:
On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:30:01 +1300, Your Name
wrote:
In article
DaveFroble wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Bill Gunshannon
wrote:

My neighbor is a mechanic for a dealership. They send him to classes
for the latest updates and such. He's told some stories about the warnings
related to servicing electric cars. Most of the stories start with
something
to the effect of "..if you touch THIS you're dead.."
Seems there's the potential for a lot of dead shade-tree mechanics, to say
nothing of the risks to EMTs responding to crashes.
if you touch the wrong thing in a gas vehicle you could be dead too.

Having worked with both automobiles and electricity since my childhood
i think the electric has a much better chance of doing you in than the
average gasoline automobile.

there's essentially no maintenance on an electric vehicle, so no.

There is no such thing as a vehicle that doesn't need periodic maintenance.
Granted, with electric, no more oil changes, no more exhaust systems to
replace, nd such. But there will be places with lube, and such. And
components will need service.

Tyres will need replacing, brake pads will need replacing, air-con
systems will need cleaning, ...

The entire battery pack itself will need replacing from time to time,
depending on the longevity of electric cars, but I doubt they'll stay
on the road as long as cars used to and currently do. Cars (whether
indivdually owned or corporate owned as on-call for public use) will
become just another throw away item like a cellphone more or less is
now.

The battery pack, logically, will need replacing but it all depends on
the car. On something like a Prius, the batteries are never charged
any more than 25-30% which means that they can last forever. On a
purely electric car, I doubt that's the case and they should last no
more than three years. However, it seems that they've managed to get
more out of them somehow.

No battery can ever last forever (or even a relatively long time).
*ALL* batteies wear out and will need to be replaced, and that includes
the Prius and all other electric or hybrid vehicles, and of course the
batteries in normal petrol / diesel vehicles too.

If it is charged to its highest level, absolutely. However, like I
said, the Prius ones responsible for the fuel economy aren't.

"He pointed out to Torque News that Prius batteries
are warranted for 10 years or 150,000 miles in
California-compliance states and eight years or
100,000 miles in non-California compliant state.
In his experience, the batteries last about 12 to
15 years (the oldest Prius cars on the road are
now 20 years old)."


https://www.torquenews.com/1083/can-toyota-prius-battery-last-250000-miles

Feb 8, 2017

Very impressive.

You still running that 50 year old computer with no issues? Or even 2-3 years.

I used a PowerMac G3 for nearly 20 years without major problems, until
a major fault somewhere in the IO system on the motherboard meant I was
forced to upgrade to a new Mac. Even the original hard drive was still
working ... and is still working, now in an external USB enclosure.

That's pretty impressive.

It died about March last year. I would still be using it now if it hadn't died.

It was still running Mac OS X 10.2 (released August 2002). I would
still probably have been using Mac OS 9, if it wasn't for an incomptent
ISP who wouldn't fix their servers!

What kind of server issues affected only Mac OS 9? I am sincerely
curious.

The only other issue was web
browsers becoming less compatible, so I was about to update it to Mac
OS X 10.3 (released in October 2003).

I will also have had my current car (and only car I've owned) for 20
years this year, but it was four years old when I bought it. It also
still runs fine with only normal wear and tear problems. It's just
passed 200,000kms, so is due for it's second cambelt replacement ... at
twice the price of the first one!

Had I not ruined its paint job by trying to do the work myself, I
wouldn't have been embarrassed to drive my Volvo over its 210,000 km.
I would have had it for thirteen years.

But I do know quite a few iMacs (both CRT and LCD models) from around
that same period that have either had multiple dead hard drives or
completely failed), possibly due to the all-in-one design and heat
issues over time.

I owned an iBook G3 back in 2002 and I can't imagine still working on
it today even though it likely would have managed to do pretty much
everything I would need for it to. Even maxed out at 640MB of RAM,
that thing was slow. Mac OS being the bloated behemoth that it is
didn't help. It ran Mac OS 9.2.2 beautifully though.

When my PowerMac G3 died, I did switch over to a iBook G4 for a couple
of months to finish off some work I was in the middle of, but that
laptop had already been having problems and quickly died under daily
use (it was a hand-me-down from another family member - the battery
never worked, one shift key was broken, the power socket kept coming
loose and needing re-soldering, etc.).

The PowerMac G3 had only 128MB RAM. I was using it pretty much every
day to do all sorts of things, including DTP with Adobe's apps. I can't
remember how much RAM the iBook G4 had - possibly just the standard
512MB.

I was also had only a dial-up internet connection with it and the
laptop, and both used with a 17" CRT display.

The forced upgrade to a new Mac Mini, with MacOS X 10.12 and all new
apps, as well as a broadband connection was a bit of a culture shock
... although my job meant I have always been helping people with their
newer Macs anyway.

Even though my exposure to Mac OS 8/9 was fairly limited, I liked the
operating system quite a bit and switched over to it for a while when
I got my iBookl G3 (600MHz). OS X was so sluggish that Mac OS 9 felt
rewarding to use but the apps for it were already disappearing at that
point and, if I remember correctly, I didn't like the way it
multitasked.

On Sun, 7 Jan 2018 16:06:23 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/6/2018 11:53 AM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 09:35:50 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/5/2018 10:46 AM, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018 10:43:48 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2018-01-05 10:13, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Fri, 05 Jan 2018 10:04:06 +0100, Peter Köhlmann
wrote:

Roger Blake wrote:

On 2018-01-04, chrisv wrote:
Might I say that was an awesome post, sir.

His post was sheer idiocy. CO2 is not a pollutant - period.

Human caused "climate change/global warming" is junk science at
its worst.

Idiot

Another thought-provoking and irrefutable post by Mainz's greatest
export, Peter the Klöwn.

A funny thing about your sort is you believe that putting down others
makes your point valid and that resonates in your little echo chambers
as some sort of truth.

Says the hypocrite who just defended someone calling another poster an
"idiot."

While there is wisdom in crowds...

... there is none in your posts.

*plonk*


Like the rest of the science deniers, go ahead and stick your head back
in the sand.

I'm not a science denier, but I do deny results which come from a
hand-picked set of scientists. If 1,000 scientists are asked about
climate and 100 of them say that humans are causing global warming, is
it honest to grab those 100 and then claim that 100% of scientists
believe in global warming?

I don't believe that it is and yet that's what happened.


Since the 100 you speak of are the climate scientists of the bunch, you
should pay most attention to them. Ignore the christian scientists and
other such.

Proof?

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


If you buy a Chrysler, you can expect a problem every 500 miles.

nonsense.

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

I used a PowerMac G3 for nearly 20 years without major problems, until
a major fault somewhere in the IO system on the motherboard meant I was
forced to upgrade to a new Mac. Even the original hard drive was still
working ... and is still working, now in an external USB enclosure.

That's pretty impressive.

It died about March last year. I would still be using it now if it hadn't
died.

It was still running Mac OS X 10.2 (released August 2002). I would
still probably have been using Mac OS 9, if it wasn't for an incomptent
ISP who wouldn't fix their servers!

What kind of server issues affected only Mac OS 9? I am sincerely
curious.

there weren't any.

In article
DaveFroble wrote:

chrisv wrote:
Doomsdrzej, AKA "Slimer", wrote:

nospam wrote:
the batteries are heated and shortly before leaving, you can preheat
the cabin via a smartphone app.
_How_ are they heated?
via a heater module on the batteries.

Which is fine, if you're plugged-in. Otherwise, you're sucking
battery power.

Pre-heating the cabin essentially means that you've turned on the car
remotely. However, this is only possible if the car starts which, of
course, often requires the batteries to be heated.
for a gas powered vehicle, the engine must be running.

not true for an electric vehicle.
Very interesting to know, thanks.

Well, duh. The heater's not working off from engine coolant...


Think about this. That waste heat wasn't free. It's unused energy. That means
you've had to put much more potential into the gasoline engine to get what you
need. With electric, less energy is required. Of course, the heat is nice when
it's cold. Still, from an energy perspective, the gasoline engine is rather
wasteful.

--
David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450
Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail:
DFE Ultralights, Inc.
170 Grimplin Road
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

Doomsdrzej wrote:

Bob F wrote:

Doomsdrzej wrote:

I'm not a science denier, but I do deny results which come from a
hand-picked set of scientists. If 1,000 scientists are asked about
climate and 100 of them say that humans are causing global warming, is
it honest to grab those 100 and then claim that 100% of scientists
believe in global warming?

I don't believe that it is and yet that's what happened.

Liar.

Since the 100 you speak of are the climate scientists of the bunch, you
should pay most attention to them. Ignore the christian scientists and
other such.

Proof?

Where's your proof, you lying propagandist?

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be destroyed and anyone holding onto the faith deported." -
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 12:11:20 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:


If you buy a Chrysler, you can expect a problem every 500 miles.

nonsense.

I speak as someone who actually owned a Chrysler and know just how
awful they are.