Advantages W7-64 over XP-32

On 29/02/2012 08:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Gordon
writes:
On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily
basis as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than
other OS's until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



It's MY computer, and I resent being told how to think!

And I resent having to protect MY machine from the head-in-the-sand
behaviour of you and millions like you...

On 29/02/2012 3:13 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Gordon
writes:
On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily
basis as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than
other OS's until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



It's MY computer, and I resent being told how to think!

Every environment in which you have to make choices "tells" you how to
think. Elementary behaviourism, my dear Watson. ;-)

HTH
Wolf K.

"Fokke Nauta" écrivait news:9qpakqF3kjU1
@mid.individual.net:

snip

On the other hand, I wont be able to use some applications as they won't
run
on W 7 64-bit.

Fokke



What programs do you have in mind?

All 32 bits applications that I use (mainly music composition) run very
well under W7-64 bits.

On 29 Feb 2012, Ant wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

On 2/28/2012 9:21 AM PT, Nil typed:
That's Oracle's fault, not Microsoft's. To get around that, you
need to navigate to the executable JAVACPL.EXE, right-click on
it, and enable the Compatibility option, "Run this program as
Administrator". From then on UAC will prompt you to continue, and
all changes you make will stick.

It's not just Java! Yeah, I have to do that trick.

You should only have to do it once. And I've been pleased to find that
the setting had stayed enabled through the past few Java updates, even
though JAVACPL.EXE gets replaced by newer versions.

In message , Gordon
writes:
On 29/02/2012 08:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Gordon
writes:
On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily
basis as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than
other OS's until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



It's MY computer, and I resent being told how to think!

And I resent having to protect MY machine from the head-in-the-sand
behaviour of you and millions like you...


Then complain to Microsoft. It is they who make the main user default to
the semi-administrator mode, I think.

(I also resent your assumption that _I_ will do things that will imperil
you, though I understand your concern.)
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.... on Thursdays on BBC Two, the former BBC2. (John Peel in "Radio Times", 1-7
May 1999.)

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:40:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Gordon
writes:
On 29/02/2012 08:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Gordon
writes:
On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily
basis as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than
other OS's until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



It's MY computer, and I resent being told how to think!

And I resent having to protect MY machine from the head-in-the-sand
behaviour of you and millions like you...


Then complain to Microsoft. It is they who make the main user default to
the semi-administrator mode, I think.

You've already stated that you resent being told how to think, so I
assume you're not serious when you suggest asking MS to make the OS
more secure by default. You can't have it both ways. ;-)

--

Char Jackson

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:40:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Gordon
writes:
On 29/02/2012 08:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Gordon
writes:
On 28/02/2012 15:28, Fokke Nauta wrote:

That's why I'm always logged in with admin rights.
Next thing I'll have to do is googling for how to get rid of the UAC.


Which is why UAC was designed so you DON'T have to run on a daily
basis as an admin and why Windows will ALWAYS be less secure than
other OS's until Users get out of this "Must Run as Admin" mindset.
It's perfectly EASY to run a well-configured Windows machine as a
Standard User....I do all the time.



It's MY computer, and I resent being told how to think!

And I resent having to protect MY machine from the head-in-the-sand
behaviour of you and millions like you...


Then complain to Microsoft. It is they who make the main user default to
the semi-administrator mode, I think.

You've already stated that you resent being told how to think, so I
assume you're not serious when you suggest asking MS to make the OS
more secure by default. You can't have it both ways. ;-)

No, I don't; but if my having the ability to do what I want offends
someone, complaining to me won't have much effect, complaining to
whoever gave me that ... probably won't have any effect either (-:
--
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"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:57:32 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:40:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
Then complain to Microsoft. It is they who make the main user default to
the semi-administrator mode, I think.

You've already stated that you resent being told how to think, so I
assume you're not serious when you suggest asking MS to make the OS
more secure by default. You can't have it both ways. ;-)

There seems to be a confusion about the main purposes of different operating
systems.

Unix is a multi-user multitasking system, so one user has control of one part
of their maschine only, and in many cases the software is not in that user's
part of the machine.

Windows, while it can have several users, is designed to be used by them one
at a time, and the main user is quite likely to want to fiddle with
configuration files etc in a sort of "it's my machine and I'll do what I like
with it" way, whereas Unix assumes a shared machine.


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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 07:30:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:57:32 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 21:40:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:
Then complain to Microsoft. It is they who make the main user default to
the semi-administrator mode, I think.

You've already stated that you resent being told how to think, so I
assume you're not serious when you suggest asking MS to make the OS
more secure by default. You can't have it both ways. ;-)

There seems to be a confusion about the main purposes of different operating
systems.

Unix is a multi-user multitasking system, so one user has control of one part
of their maschine only, and in many cases the software is not in that user's
part of the machine.

Windows, while it can have several users, is designed to be used by them one
at a time, and the main user is quite likely to want to fiddle with
configuration files etc in a sort of "it's my machine and I'll do what I like
with it" way, whereas Unix assumes a shared machine.

Thanks, but that seems to have come out of nowhere. How does it apply
to this thread?

--

Char Jackson

On 2/29/2012 10:35 AM PT, Nil typed:

That's Oracle's fault, not Microsoft's. To get around that, you
need to navigate to the executable JAVACPL.EXE, right-click on
it, and enable the Compatibility option, "Run this program as
Administrator". From then on UAC will prompt you to continue, and
all changes you make will stick.

It's not just Java! Yeah, I have to do that trick.

You should only have to do it once. And I've been pleased to find that
the setting had stayed enabled through the past few Java updates, even
though JAVACPL.EXE gets replaced by newer versions.

Really? Mine get resetted from updates (overinstalls) and into the same
diretory/folder.
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:02:41 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Windows, while it can have several users, is designed to be used by them one
at a time, and the main user is quite likely to want to fiddle with
configuration files etc in a sort of "it's my machine and I'll do what I like
with it" way, whereas Unix assumes a shared machine.

Thanks, but that seems to have come out of nowhere. How does it apply
to this thread?

The subthread on main users and administrators.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:27:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:02:41 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Windows, while it can have several users, is designed to be used by them one
at a time, and the main user is quite likely to want to fiddle with
configuration files etc in a sort of "it's my machine and I'll do what I like
with it" way, whereas Unix assumes a shared machine.

Thanks, but that seems to have come out of nowhere. How does it apply
to this thread?

The subthread on main users and administrators.

That's not even a complete sentence. What are you trying to say? You
mentioned confusion...perhaps it's you who is confused?

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:41:21 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:27:57 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote:

On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 00:02:41 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Windows, while it can have several users, is designed to be used by them one
at a time, and the main user is quite likely to want to fiddle with
configuration files etc in a sort of "it's my machine and I'll do what I like
with it" way, whereas Unix assumes a shared machine.

Thanks, but that seems to have come out of nowhere. How does it apply
to this thread?

The subthread on main users and administrators.

That's not even a complete sentence. What are you trying to say? You
mentioned confusion...perhaps it's you who is confused?

Never mind.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Just from my experience.
x64 will not give you a speed boost in general but takes advantage of
more memory.
Also specifically written applications for x64 will benefit of speed
as well.
Multiboot works great. I have Linux and Windows on the same machine.
32bit is history, the past. Sadly games are still 32bit mostly.
Professional applications should come also in x64 which will take
advantage over a x64 cpu.


On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:12:18 +0100, "Fokke Nauta"
wrote:

Hi all,

Currently I have XP Pro 32-bits. Hardware is Intel I5-750 on a P55 chipset
with 4G memory.
I concider installing Win 7 Pro 64-bits, so I can use more memory.
Got a few questions he
a. Are applications on W7-64 with 8G noticable faster then XP-32 with 4G?
b. Does W7-64 allow a multi boot environment?
c. Are there more advantages of Win 7 Pro 64-bits over XP Pro 32-bits?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

Best regards,
Fokke Nauta

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snip

On the other hand, I wont be able to use some applications as they won't
run
on W 7 64-bit.

Fokke



What programs do you have in mind?

All 32 bits applications that I use (mainly music composition) run very
well under W7-64 bits.


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