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Toshiba W-7 went dark
On 22/03/2018 06:32, HB wrote:
Is this all I need? The one for $4.04? Yes I plug the Toshiba's HD into it and plug it into THIS healthy desktop and see what's on the HD? See of she spins up? A new drive letter should appear. If a new drive letter doesn't show (ie it's corrupted or what), then you would look look in 'Disc Management' to see if the Toshiba HDD shows there. |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
On 22/03/2018 07:03, HB wrote:
This is what I see. There are no sda1 and sda2 on the left of the Fatdog desktop to click on. Where is sda1 and sda2 to click on? https://postimg.org/gallery/38afbakly/ Your picture with an arrow pointing to the second icon near the bottom, what does it say? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ggjissof4z1kt08/edit.jpg?dl=0 |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , HB writes: "Paul" wrote in message news Java Jive wrote: The command disktype /dev/sda I typed this in the CP (command prompt) and . It sees there are 2 That is rather reassuring: it suggests that the drive electronics are working, and can read the drive surface, at least as far as the partition table, which is (as its name suggests) a table near the beginning of the disc which lays out what partitions the rest of the disc is divided into. If it couldn't read the disc surface, it wouldn't be able to report that. partitions. Data read failed at position (list of numbers) Input/output error. Error petition 3. As far as I know there is no partition 3. As I said in the previous post, if, when it was working, you could see a C: and a D: partition, then if there was also a hidden partition (which there often is), there would indeed be three partitions. Unfortunately, I don't _think_ we can assume that partition 3 is D:; different things see the partitions in a different order. Would you mind posting us a screenshot of where "it mentions a partition 1 and a partition 2 NTFS system followed by bytes and numbers" (or copying it out for us)? I know it's tedious, but that information would be very useful. (Oh, if you do do it with the camera, turn off [or put your finger over if you can't turn off] the flash; it reflects off the screen in the shot you have posted, and since the screen is backlit anyway it isn't needed - will probably give a better picture anyway.) A shot of the results of the smartctl -a /dev/sda result might also be useful - I know you're getting fed up of that one, but _we_ have so far only seen the results of your first two attempts, one of which had the capital S and the other the extra "return". It's sounding like a disk with CRC errors to me. I would have started ddrescue scavenging, long ago. Remember, that disktype command starts with the MBR (Sector 0) and reads the claimed file system type(s) of the multiple partitions out of Sector 0. But, it also visits each file system, at the offset on the disk where each one starts, and collects verification information from there. It is those reads, where at least one partition is damaged. MBR Partition 1 Partition 2 Partition 3 ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | sniff sniff sniff sniff Disktype uses up to five "factors" to verify a partition type. The partition type declaration in the MBR (0x07 or 0x0C etc) is part of it. But the first sector of where each file system starts, also gets a sniff. It's while the disk heads are out there, that there is an I/O problem. ******* At the Geek Squad, the disk drive would already be replaced, a copy of Windows 7 we didn't want would be installed on the hard drive, the bill would be $60 for hard drive, $200 for OS install, and the old drive would be sitting on the counter, waiting for the owner to take it home. A Geek Squad person is unlikely to attempt cloning of the old drive, unless asked or something. And who knows, they could send the drive out to a local (third-party) recovery firm. I have several recovery firms in town, but of course they're just mail drops who send the drive to some central "factory" setup for work. Probably no matter what, the drive would travel in a mailer, half way across the country, to get data recovery attention (if desired by the owner). You can copy hard drives sector-by-sector with ddrescue, then attempt to run CHKDSK on the clone (a disk which is fresh new and fully functional). And sometimes, the thing comes back up. I recommend having two clean, empty, hard drives present on your bench, before beginning any data recovery efforts. One holds the clone effort. The second holds any recovered files (if scavenging is required, or you want to clone one drive to the other, and run an experimental CHKDSK on the sacrificial copy you made). The table dumped by the smartctl command, could have a bit of info we could use. I already indicated in a previous post, to look at the "Reallocated" row. If the drive is throwing I/O errors, the Reallocated raw data field must have a relatively large value in it. And no longer be zero. "smartctl" also has a textual "Pass" or "Fail" field, which can indicate if there is overwhelming failure information present. In my test on my "sick" drive, the one with a few reallocated, it said my drive was "healthy", even though I've retired that drive from holding OSes. Summary: 1) New drive time. $60 or so. Remove the hard drive and take it to a store, if you need help identifying the connector type. My one good (not Best Buy) computer store has a vast collection of new drive SKUs, and could match whatever you bring into the store. Their in-store stock is good enough, you won't leave the store empty-handed. 2) Make sure you have the COA sticker with xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx format license key available. No need for step 3 without it. There is a high probability the COA sticker is scratched. MS made it easy to damage. Some laptops hide the COA sticker in the battery bay, to avoid friction damage on the key ink. 3) Download a Windows 7 DVD, of matching type, for the OS reinstall step onto the new $60 hard drive. If you can't get the Windows 7 DVD to boot (which I would consider unusual when a FatDog64 boots), then again, that might void the (1) step. The Windows 7 DVD should boot, even if there is *no* hard drive in the laptop. The one exception, is cases where the laptop maker has a "stub loader" of some sort, which must load first, before anything else will work. And in this case, the FatDog64 result tells us the machine probably isn't booby trapped. Paul |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , HB writes: "Paul" wrote in message news [] disktype /dev/sda I typed this in the CP (command prompt) and . It sees there are 2 That is rather reassuring: it suggests that the drive electronics are working, and can read the drive surface, at least as far as the partition table, which is (as its name suggests) a table near the [] As I said in the previous post, if, when it was working, you could see a C: and a D: partition, then if there was also a hidden partition (which there often is), there would indeed be three partitions. Unfortunately, I don't _think_ we can assume that partition 3 is D:; different things see the partitions in a different order. Would you mind posting us a screenshot of where "it mentions a partition 1 and a [] A shot of the results of the smartctl -a /dev/sda result might also be useful - I know you're getting fed up of that one, but _we_ have so far only seen the results of your first two attempts, one of which had the capital S and the other the extra "return". It's sounding like a disk with CRC errors to me. I would have started ddrescue scavenging, long ago. Yes, but you and I are smarter than the average bear - or rather, have more experience (some bitter) than the average user. Remember, that disktype command starts with the MBR (Sector 0) and reads [stuff that will be over HB's head snipped] [] The table dumped by the smartctl command, could have a bit of info we could use. I already indicated in a previous post, That's why I've asked him to show it to us (-: [] Summary: 1) New drive time. $60 or so. Remove the hard drive and take it to a store, if you need help identifying the connector type. I think he's established that it's a SATA - he likes the look of the $4.04 "cable" someone posted a link to. [Did they ever make 500G or 1T drives in EIDE, anyway?] My one good (not Best Buy) computer store has a vast collection of new drive SKUs, and could match whatever you SKU? bring into the store. Their in-store stock is good enough, you won't leave the store empty-handed. 2) Make sure you have the COA sticker with xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx format license key available. No need for step 3 without it. There is a high probability the COA sticker is scratched. He has confirmed it's getting worn, and - I hope - already copied what's on it. [] 3) Download a Windows 7 DVD, of matching type, for the OS reinstall step onto the new $60 hard drive. If you can't get the Windows 7 DVD When we get to that point, will it be difficult for him to find the appropriate source for such a DVD? I presume what's downloaded is an .iso file. to boot (which I would consider unusual when a FatDog64 boots), then again, that might void the (1) step. The Windows 7 DVD should boot, even if there is *no* hard drive in the laptop. The one exception, is cases where the laptop maker has a "stub loader" of some sort, which must load first, before anything else will work. And in this case, the FatDog64 result tells us the machine probably isn't booby trapped. This is what's puzzling me; as you say, he's got the fatdog disc to boot, suggesting the laptop is capable of booting from a disc in that drive, but he's tried various other discs (which he's described as Rescue, Repair or similar) and says he's had no success. He hasn't tried a Macrium one because he hasn't got beyond the first stage in getting Macrium, but he says he's tried some others and is still getting "disc read error" or something like that. I wonder if he's still not been burning them _from_ .iso files (so it's reverting to trying the HD). The press any key to boot from CD/DVD message: do you know if that's a BIOS thing, or something that only appears when you boot from a Microsoft disc? (I know I see it when I boot from a Macrium one, but that _is_ Windows, really.) Paul John -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The first banjo solo I played was actually just a series of mistakes. In fact it was all the mistakes I knew at the time. - Tim Dowling, RT2015/6/20-26 |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
HB wrote:
"Mike Easter" My earlier suggestion about using the linux fatdog was: - acknowledge that fatdog sees your hdd icons in the lower left of the desktop called sda1 and sda2 - R click such as sda1 and from the context menu select 'Check integrity' This is what I see. There are no sda1 and sda2 on the left of the Fatdog desktop to click on. Where is sda1 and sda2 to click on? https://postimg.org/gallery/38afbakly/ It looks to me like there is an sda1 icon on the desktop above the taskbar in IM004776. The taskbar looks like menu, 1, 2, launchers for web browser, terminal, file manager, fatdog control panel, show desktop and the icon I think is sda1 is above the taskbar above the part which has 2 and the web browser launcher. Then, finding that there is an operational/sound hdd there, use the Tosh instructions to access the Tosh recovery wizard to replace the Windows installation with the factory install from the Tosh recovery partition by connecting to power source, and turning the computer on while holding down the keyboard 0 (zero) key. There are no Tosh' instructions when turning the Tosh on holding down the 0 key. Just a loud irritating sound. Nothing else. Uh oh. - computer turned off - turn on computer while holding the 0 (zero) key - Tosh Recovery Wizard warning screen - may have option to choose between 32 & 64 bit Win7 There is no recovery wizard when this is done. . This message shows the link to the Tosh instructions http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=152165126200 Thanks, but that doesn't work. All I got was a black screen with a dash in the upper right and loud irritating sound. That sounds much worse for the hdd than just missing the appearance of the sda2 icon on the desktop. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
SKU? Stock Keeping Unit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_keeping_unit Paul |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
Paul wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: I'm trying to figure out an uncomplicated way for HB to provide screenshot from fatdog. Without the terminal, PrtScr activates xscreenshot and the cursor changes and the left mouse can be used to make the selection. Now I'm getting inconsistent performance from the PrtScr key, but the commandline works consistently and that would be my recommendation to HB. Those camera shots are not adequate for what he is going to need to do/report and it is not practical for him to try to transcribe all that. Besides, I think it would be 'experiencial' for him to post something from linux. Ideally he could post into the newsgroup from SeaMonkey nntp, but that would be another step up the ladder from using his browser to post a .png into postimg.org. I used PrintScr key. It saved a screenshot. That happened for me at first and then it didn't work anymore after I started using the terminal. Now I'm recommending that he activate xscreenshot from the terminal which he accesses from the taskbar/panel because it is more reliable. It saves the shot in the default root directory and then he would open the file manager and drag it into the Spot directory. The situation between Spot and root in the default Fatdog I have is more complicated than I want to develop here. He's going to have to do more stuff in linux to help diagnose what is going on with his hdd so he needs a good way to report. Pasting from the terminal into the newsgroup message would actually be better than his taking screenshots. SeaMonkey is pretty easy to work/use -- his experience is with OE that he is posting with here in XP. -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Monty" wrote in message ... On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 02:22:51 -0400, "HB" wrote: I can't access that. It has a lock icon and says it's not accessible. Here is the info in Reflect.log on my PC. I opened it in Notepad. It was created when I downloaded the latest version of Macrium Reflect Free yesterday. The Macrium downloader gets an error and it doesn't download. Do you have an URL for a working downloader for Macrium? The file does not have a lock icon and is fully accessible. I'm talking about the folder on my computer, not through Notepad/Macrium. -- Morality is doing what's right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possiblity of divine reward. - Arthur Paliden - |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 22/03/2018 06:22, HB wrote: I can't access that. It has a lock icon and says it's not accessible. Me too HB, however I found said file here; C:\ProgramData\Macrium\ReflectDL\ReflectDL.log Thanks. Found it under program data. The down loader was unable to download Macurium. Macrium Reflect download agent v7.1.2646 OS: v6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Architectu x64 Loglevel: 0 Acquire features file Http fetch features file Unable to get features file. InetConn.GetLastStatusCode()=-1 ReflectDL ending |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark (running from disc)
Mike Easter wrote:
Fatdog's default terminals urxvt and xterm don't 'work right' (as I'm accustomed) for copying text into the clipboard, It is easier to install another terminal from fatdog's packages than fix the default terminals to copy to the clipboard for pasting into a message. slapt-get -i lxterminal (or use the gslapt graphical package manager) Then the lxterminal shows up in the menu utility section. It copies into the clipboard by highlighting and ctrl-shft-C. Now I can paste something here from fatdog's terminal; # xscreenshot --- Mouse usage --- Left-click - press to start, move to select, release to take shot Right-click - cancel current selection, (in single-shot: once more to exit.) --- screenshot taken -- Mike Easter |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: .. (We haven't tested the sound, wifi, or USB parts, but I have no reason to believe they aren't fine. They _can_ be tested from Linux if necessary, but someone else will have to tell you how. I don't think it's necessary.) So I would have to find a legal copy of W-7 64bit somewhere. I know the disk I made from this PC wont boot the Toshiba. And it's also a W-7 64bit. A new disk would get it to boot? I know the rescue disks wont boot it. I don't know if this is helpful or not but they're images from Linux of the Toshiba's information I took this afternoon. https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/03ec0845/ https://s26.postimg.org/84ihdfh8p/IM004777.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/hx3j203o9/IM004778.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/clomhapbd/IM004779.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj58s9/IM004780.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/v193epql5/IM004781.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj5gi1/IM004782.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/5igr1peqx/IM004783.jpg In noticed this: Error 930 occured at disk power-on lifetime:1243 hours (51 days + 19 hours) When the command that caused the error occured, the device was active or idle. Well typing that in the command prompt or whatever Linux called it did not bring up the info shown in the online image. See later. Please see what it brought up this time. Pics are above. It brought up a lot of info. First time, you typed it with a capital S; second time, you added "return" onto the end. What we wanted you to type was just smartctl -a /dev/sda See images above. Note all lowcase and what the command brought up - 7 screens of information. What is the PBC? I'm looking at those images still don't know which to buy shown on the 2 pages. I need both? I'm not following this since I never No, you don't need both (see below). saw anyone use anything like this. Where does that metal tab on the HD go? (Not sure what you mean by that metal tab; a SATA drive just has the two connectors. Anything else is just mounting arrangements. Post a picture of the drive if you like, and we'll say what's what.) It appears to be for mounting the HD and keeping it snugly in place. The HD lays next to this thing with it's 2 cables plugged into it? Or, you could use the ($4.04 was it?) or so cable another poster has found; that basically does the same as the housing, other than that the drive lays bare rather than being in a case. As long as the USB end has _two_ USB plugs to ensure it gets enough power; it _might_ work with only one, but it'd be a pity to discard the drive as not appearing to work, just because it wasn't getting enough power. One USB port works the Seagate. The DT PC has 2 USB ports close together. The Tosh's HD can lay there naked as a Jay-bird, uncased, since it would only be to test the Tosh's HD, not be a permanant extra external HD. All of these four do the same two things: (a) translate USB to and from SATA, so you can read/write/control the drive from the working PC, and (b) provide power to the drive, either from an external supply (that comes with the kit) or from (ideally two) USB ports. The healthy PC has 2 USB ports, so not problem. Maybe by looking at all the data Linux brought up someone can tell what the problem is. The W10 update danger has passed: about a year ago (IIRR), Microsoft provided updates to Windows 7 that, unless you were very careful, updated a W7 machine to W10. I was well aware of that and avoided it like the plague. Tosh did not update to W-10, none did. The MS offer was ignored. The last laptop and the Tablet came with W-10. Two (main, anyway) outfits produced utilities you could install to make sure this did not happen. But that's over now, and it doesn't look likely that MS will do it again (though you can never be sure), so it's (probably) no longer a worry. Since nothing I tried stopped the MS's updates on W-10, the next time MS may also force W-11 and 12 and how knows how many other "upgrades/updates" on us. updates, and the recent problem with OE6 not keeping passwords...... belive That turned out to be a red herring - it wasn't OE6 (which won't run under W7 anyway), it was an OE6 lookalike (from xsforall IIRR). And I think even that got better (started remembering passwords again). Yeah! Software, heal thyself. I call it OE6 for lack of a better short name for it. me, you guys are not boring compared to the reading I've done recently. :^) You might also consider getting a 2.5" SATA drive: it does rather look as if the one in the Tosh is unwell, so would have to be replaced, but even if it isn't, you could use it for keeping backup images on, as you do the Seagate one. This is true and will be passing Best Buy in a week or so. I want to check in with them. Do the images of what smartctl -a /dev/sda brought up this time help any? -- Morality is doing what's right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possiblity of divine reward. - Arthur Paliden - |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 22/03/2018 06:04, HB wrote: Buying a new HD and finding a MS W-7 64-bit disk that can be registered is, from what I understand, no guarantee the Tosh' will boot. I don't know if it has allready been suggested (or tried), but looking around I've seen suggestions to; 1. Turn the machine off. 2. Disconnect the power-supply and remove the battery. 3. Press the On button for 60 seconds. 4. Restore power-supply and try to boot. I believe that's called degaussing (sp?). Tried it and it did nothing. Please look at the info Linux brought up today - what can all this tell you? https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/ or https://postimg.org/gallery/25tkiz5ty/03ec0845/ https://s26.postimg.org/84ihdfh8p/IM004777.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/hx3j203o9/IM004778.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/clomhapbd/IM004779.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj58s9/IM004780.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/v193epql5/IM004781.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/4g6kj5gi1/IM004782.jpg https://s26.postimg.org/5igr1peqx/IM004783.jpg |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , HB writes: My only slight concern about that one is that the USB end only has _one_ plug; this _might_ not deliver sufficient power. Here's one with two USB plugs: https://www.ebay.com/itm/182543285419 (and that one's $2.34!) I ordered this one (2 USB plugs). It will take a few weeks to get here. Looks like it's coming on a slow-boat-from-China. -- Morality is doing what's right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possiblity of divine reward. - Arthur Paliden - |
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Toshiba W-7 went dark
"Patrick" wrote in message news On 22/03/2018 06:32, HB wrote: Is this all I need? The one for $4.04? Yes I plug the Toshiba's HD into it and plug it into THIS healthy desktop and see what's on the HD? See of she spins up? A new drive letter should appear. If a new drive letter doesn't show (ie it's corrupted or what), then you would look look in 'Disc Management' to see if the Toshiba HDD shows there. Thanks. I ordered one even cheaper with 2 USB plugs to fire it up. Now I wait until it gets here from China. It looks like it can take up to 3 weeks. -- Morality is doing what's right without the threat of divine retribution nor the possiblity of divine reward. - Arthur Paliden - |
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