Any idea why the Windows 10 Native Cascade Menu tutorial didn't show up in the tribal archives?

Any idea why the Windows 10 Native Cascade Menu tutorial didn't show up in
the tribal archives (given that everything else we post shows up there)?

It seems that some people are unaware that there is no longer any need for
Windows Classic Shell to create cascade menus on Windows 10 that look and
act just like the cascade menu did on Windows XP.
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_my_win10_cascade_menu.jpg

When I want to the http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10 tribal
archives, I didn't find the multiple posts I *know* I made, where the
original post had the following headers:
From: Arlen Holder
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows.8
Subject: Tutorial for setting up a well-organized consistent efficient Windows menu system
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:52:36 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Mixmin
Message-ID:
Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:52:36 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="280c6f9239ac0f306a8fd5043aa4dba15cc65d6b"; logging-data="17885"; "

For some reason, that tutorial shows up in my newsreader but not on the
tribal archives at http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10

Do you see that tutorial in your newsreader?
Maybe something was wrong when I sent it?
(as I don't understand why it's not in the tribal archives)

I might resend it ... but can others look first?
(Addendum: I just ran a search on http://al.howardknight.net/ for that
message id and it shows up, so I'm not sure why it's not archived in the
tribal archives...)

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpfo1kd%24het%241 %40news.mixmin.net%3E

Any idea why the Windows 10 Native Cascade Menu tutorial didn't show up in
the tribal archives (when everything else we post does show up there)?

"Arlen Holder" wrote

| When I want to the http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10 tribal
| archives, I didn't find the multiple posts I *know* I made, where the
| original post had the following headers:
| From: Arlen Holder
| Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows.8
| Subject: Tutorial for setting up a well-organized consistent efficient
Windows menu system

I see your long series of posts. If you want
to put them in a tribal archive you'll probably
have to pay much wampum.

Arlen Holder wrote:
Any idea why the Windows 10 Native Cascade Menu tutorial didn't show up in
the tribal archives (given that everything else we post shows up there)?

No, sorry. Unless someone else comes up with a clue, I think your only
option is to contact the webmaster of the site. (There's a 'Contact us'
button at the bottom of their FAQ page (http://www.pcbanter.net/faq.php?).

More below.

It seems that some people are unaware that there is no longer any need for
Windows Classic Shell to create cascade menus on Windows 10 that look and
act just like the cascade menu did on Windows XP.
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_my_win10_cascade_menu.jpg

When I want to the http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10 tribal
archives, I didn't find the multiple posts I *know* I made, where the
original post had the following headers:
From: Arlen Holder
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows.8
Subject: Tutorial for setting up a well-organized consistent efficient Windows menu system
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:52:36 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Mixmin
Message-ID:
Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:52:36 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="280c6f9239ac0f306a8fd5043aa4dba15cc65d6b"; logging-data="17885"; "

For some reason, that tutorial shows up in my newsreader but not on the
tribal archives at http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10

Do you see that tutorial in your newsreader?

Yes, I see it in my newsreader, along with your 3 followups (last one
of June 16). So they are on at least one of the main News servers
(News.Individual.[NET|DE]).

I could not read the stupid Captchas, so I could not search the
pcbanter site, so I browsed on date, but I could not find your post in
any of the three groups, alt.comp.os.windows-10 and alt.comp.os.windows.8
(OP) and microsoft.public.windowsxp.general (your 3 followups).

Maybe something was wrong when I sent it?

sitting firmly on hands :-)

(as I don't understand why it's not in the tribal archives)

I might resend it ... but can others look first?
(Addendum: I just ran a search on http://al.howardknight.net/ for that
message id and it shows up, so I'm not sure why it's not archived in the
tribal archives...)

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpfo1kd%24het%241 %40news.mixmin.net%3E

Any idea why the Windows 10 Native Cascade Menu tutorial didn't show up in
the tribal archives (when everything else we post does show up there)?

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 10:06:26 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

I see your long series of posts. If you want
to put them in a tribal archive you'll probably
have to pay much wampum.

Every one of my threads *adds technical value* to the tribal archives.
Some of them, like the menu tutorial, I spent *years* perfecting!

I don't ask a question unless it's difficult to answer, e.g.,
a. Turning off Windows update graciously,
b. Turning off Cortana without bricking the system
c. Dual boot with Ubuntu when there happens to be RAID dung,
etc.

The thread I'm looking for is a complete tutorial on setting up what some
people here don't seem to know about - which is the native Windows 10
Cascade Menu (which is almost exactly as the WinXP Cascade Menu).

I see from Franks' helpful response that it exists.

I suspect that the fact "windows 8" was originally included might have
caused the PC Banter admit to skip archiving it (dunno).

The reason it's needed is that people *asked* how to set up the Win10
Cascade Menu like the WinXP Cascade Menu, which takes a few tricks, but
once you set them up, they both work almost exactly alike.

You are an expert in Windows so you probably already knew that Windows 10
has absolutely no need for the Classic Shell (if all you want are Cascaded
Menus); but others aren't as knowledgeable as you are.

(In addition to the highly technical threads I author, there was a recent
spate of strategically purposeful troll-shaming threads which were
specifically designed to point out the specific trolls ... a tactic which
appears to have worked perfectly as the last extremely technical thread on
the dual-boot bugs had not a single troll attend!)

Hence, everyone benefited by shutting up the trolls.

On 22 Jun 2018 14:32:32 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Yes, I see it in my newsreader, along with your 3 followups (last one
of June 16). So they are on at least one of the main News servers
(News.Individual.[NET|DE]).

Thanks. The tutorial for setting up Windows 10 native Cascade Menus shows
up in my newsfeed also, but not on the tribal archives that you kindly
referred us all to long ago...
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10

It's sad to waste it because I spent *years* perfecting Windows menus!

I could not read the stupid Captchas, so I could not search the
pcbanter site, so I browsed on date, but I could not find your post in
any of the three groups, alt.comp.os.windows-10 and alt.comp.os.windows.8
(OP) and microsoft.public.windowsxp.general (your 3 followups).

I agree with you, as I did deal with that idiotic captcha (which, I agree,
is almost impossible to get right ... I just keep trying ... they really
shouldn't make captcha so impossible that a normal human can't get more
than one in three correct ... but ... they do what they do).


Maybe something was wrong when I sent it?

sitting firmly on hands :-)

Thanks.

I appreciate the purposefully helpful response.

The net is that of all the recent threads, that's the *only* one that
didn't get archived on the Windows 10 tribal archive site.

Dunno why, but the reason it mattered is that some people said they were
unaware that Windows 10 has native Cascade Menus just like Windows XP has.
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_my_win10_cascade_menu.jpg

They asked how I did that, where it's crazy to repeat what I already spent
hours writing up exactly for the purpose of teaching others how to do it
themselves.

I write these tutorials to help people, and to flesh them out.
It's too bad I can't give them an easy URL to that particular one.

Maybe I'll post it again, but if I do, I'll likely re-write it as I've
never once written a detailed tutorial that I didn't find places that I
could improve upon by adding technical details.

On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:55:18 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Any idea why the Windows 10 Native Cascade Menu tutorial didn't show up in
the tribal archives (given that everything else we post shows up there)?

OK. I figured out the likely problem with the tribal archives.

Use this URL, from the WinXP archives, which works:
http://tinyurl.com/microsoft-public-windowsxp-gen (30-character limit)

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/eWU-jOkFRtU/N7S0Mw7yBgAJ

Don't use any other URL, all of which fail because the archival engines
don't like either the length of the detailed tutorial or the huge number of
well-annotated screenshots in the unique tutorial.

This is truncated:
http://al.howardknight.net Usenet archives

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cpgjhpj%24a5n%241 %40news.mixmin.net%3E

This just omits the detailed tutorial due to length or screenshot number.
http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10 archives
http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?t=1104476

Bear in mind that the tricks shown in the tutorial are found nowhere else
on Usenet (AFAIK); otherwise, people wouldn't be using Classic Shell to get
native Windows 10 to have the exact same Cascade Menus they had on Windows
XP.

Note that you can literally *copy* your WinXP menus over to Windows 10 and
the WinXP Cascade Menu will work perfectly on Win10 - if you follow the
tricks in the tutorial.

On 23 Jun 2018 06:01:14 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

Note that you can literally *copy* your WinXP menus over to Windows 10 and
the WinXP Cascade Menu will work perfectly on Win10 - if you follow the
tricks in the tutorial.

Here is a summary of the right-click population of all four menus.

1. We save the application installer in a task-based hierarchy:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu01529.jpg
2. This particular example happens to be the "Shotcut" video editor:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu02679.jpg
3. The default location happens to be software editor vid
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu03179.jpg
4. Notice that the app hiearchy mirrors that same organization:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu04368.jpg
5. Also notice the heterodox start menu populates the orthodox menu:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu05446.jpg
6. From any shortcut, you just right click to populate the task bar:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu06241.jpg
7. You can put the shortcuts anywhere you find them useful:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu07638.jpg
8. Specifically, you can add that shortcut to any menu you like:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu08523.jpg
9. For example, you can add the shortcut to the orthodox Start Menu:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu09694.jpg
10. Or right click to add it to the task bar:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu10134.jpg
11. Or right click to add it to the WinXP-style Cascade Menu:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu11977.jpg
12. Or right click to add it to the heterodox Start Menu:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu12851.jpg
13. It's a simple matter to move the Cascade Menu items around:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu13317.jpg
14. You drag and drop the Win10 Cascade Menu exactly as you did on WinXP:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu1482.jpg
15. Native, out of the box, WinXP & Win10 Cascade Menus are exactly the same!
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu15997.jpg
16. You drag and drop the tiled orthodox start menu also (as you see fit):
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu16160.jpg
17. I use the same hierarchy on all my machines over the decades:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu1719.jpg
18. And, of course, there's always the shortcut task bar method:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu18310.jpg
19. And if you set it up, you can use the command line also:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu19778.jpg
20. But you need to know how to use the all-important "App Paths" key:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_menu2028.jpg