Quick question how additional FONTS work in Windows

Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.

0. I picked up a Powerpoint file from someone else which used this font:
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Note: I never "installed" that font, to my knowledge.

1. That PowerPoint 2007 clearly has a "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/1uNFmZ.gif
Note: The font exists in the PowerPoint file, by some magic, even though
I never "installed" that font explicitly (whatever it means to install
a font).

2. That "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" set is embedded in an output PDF.
http://i.cubeupload.com/FwghPH.gif

3. When I read that PDF into Adobe Illustrator, it doesn't see the font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

4. When I try to switch fonts, AI doesn't see that font anywhere.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

5. When I go into the Windows Font directory, it's not there either.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6XxE7P.gif

Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.
Q1: So how did Powerpoint have the font in the first place?
Q2: What's the process to "give" that font to the next tool that needs it?

"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote in message news

Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.

0. I picked up a Powerpoint file from someone else which used this font:
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Note: I never "installed" that font, to my knowledge.
1. That PowerPoint 2007 clearly has a "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/1uNFmZ.gif
Note: The font exists in the PowerPoint file, by some magic, even though
I never "installed" that font explicitly (whatever it means to install
a font).

2. That "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" set is embedded in an output PDF.
http://i.cubeupload.com/FwghPH.gif

3. When I read that PDF into Adobe Illustrator, it doesn't see the font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

4. When I try to switch fonts, AI doesn't see that font anywhere.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

5. When I go into the Windows Font directory, it's not there either.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6XxE7P.gif

Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.
Q1: So how did Powerpoint have the font in the first place?
Q2: What's the process to "give" that font to the next tool that needs it?

The quick answer is the PowerPoint presentation had the fonts embedded into
it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint


--


Bob S.

Am Sun, 1 Apr 2018 20:36:08 -0400, schrieb Bob_S:

The quick answer is the PowerPoint presentation had the fonts embedded into
it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Thanks Bob_S for that advice,

The main question is why can PowerPoint embed a font and yet Adobe
Illustrator can't embed a font?

In that manner, this "embedding" of fonts seems to be very localized, in
that PowerPoint saw it, since I never installed that font on Windows, and
so did the PDF file see it, but *nothing* else saw the font (e.g., Adobe
Illustrator) couldn't see the font anywhere.

The way I solved the problem was the following, so that others might
benefit from my first experience with such things.

A. I downloaded the zip file from the Internet of the free RoadGeek fonts.

B. I extracted that zip file to the following set of files.
http://i.cubeupload.com/UU5aCL.gif

C. I copied and pasted those extracted files to the Win10 Fonts folder.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6twBO9.gif

D. That copy and paste resulted in the fonts showing up in that folder.
http://i.cubeupload.com/PnUglo.gif

E. Then Adobe Illustrator was able to finally "see" that font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/gBNu1P.gif

F. With the result being that the AI file is the same now as the original.
http://i.cubeupload.com/20nlCB.gif

So I guess the main question with respect to fonts is why does only
PowerPoint and PDF embed fonts.

Why couldn't other programs, like Adobe Illustrator, just embed the fonts
the same way that PowerPoint did?

"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote in message news

Am Sun, 1 Apr 2018 20:36:08 -0400, schrieb Bob_S:

The quick answer is the PowerPoint presentation had the fonts embedded
into it.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint

Thanks Bob_S for that advice,

The main question is why can PowerPoint embed a font and yet Adobe
Illustrator can't embed a font?

In that manner, this "embedding" of fonts seems to be very localized, in
that PowerPoint saw it, since I never installed that font on Windows, and
so did the PDF file see it, but *nothing* else saw the font (e.g., Adobe
Illustrator) couldn't see the font anywhere.

The way I solved the problem was the following, so that others might
benefit from my first experience with such things.

A. I downloaded the zip file from the Internet of the free RoadGeek fonts.

B. I extracted that zip file to the following set of files.
http://i.cubeupload.com/UU5aCL.gif

C. I copied and pasted those extracted files to the Win10 Fonts folder.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6twBO9.gif

D. That copy and paste resulted in the fonts showing up in that folder.
http://i.cubeupload.com/PnUglo.gif

E. Then Adobe Illustrator was able to finally "see" that font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/gBNu1P.gif

F. With the result being that the AI file is the same now as the original.
http://i.cubeupload.com/20nlCB.gif

So I guess the main question with respect to fonts is why does only
PowerPoint and PDF embed fonts.
Why couldn't other programs, like Adobe Illustrator, just embed the fonts
the same way that PowerPoint did?

I can't give you an answer to that question because I don't use Adobe
Illustrator but found that "embedded fonts" and "Adobe Illustrator" seems to
generate a lot of discussion. Also, it may be trademark or licensing
issues - even though the fonts may be free to you, that may not be free to
use everywhere. But that is all beyond my pay grade.

But wait a few minutes and Paul will find the answer for you.

--


Bob S.

Am Sun, 1 Apr 2018 22:29:46 -0400, schrieb Bob_S:

I can't give you an answer to that question because I don't use Adobe
Illustrator but found that "embedded fonts" and "Adobe Illustrator" seems to
generate a lot of discussion. Also, it may be trademark or licensing
issues - even though the fonts may be free to you, that may not be free to
use everywhere. But that is all beyond my pay grade.

But wait a few minutes and Paul will find the answer for you.

Hi Bob_S,

I appreciate your candor, which is refreshing on any newsgroup, and which
is common on this Windows newsgroup (but never in the Mac-related
newsgroups where I have a similar question which is going nowhere because
they're just a bunch of babies).

I'll repeat that these common road-sign fonts are perfectly legal, and it
says all over the place that they are, where the only legal requirement on
distribution and use is the copyright line should be available.
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Licensing aside, I don't know anything about Fonts, but looking at the
problem set that I encountered today, I think the answer might be as simple
as this:

1. Windows has a certain standard way of 'doing' fonts.
2. Microsoft Office doesn't necessarily use that method.
3. Adobe Illustrator does use that standard method.

If that supposition above is correct, then that explains why PowerPoint saw
the fonts and embedded them into the document even though I had never
installed the fonts (because the original PPT document didn't come from
me).

The end result anomaly was the following:
A. Powerpoint had no problem seeing fonts that I didn't install
B. A PDF reader had no problem seeing the fonts embedded in the PDF
C. But Adobe Illustrator couldn't see the fonts until I installed them into
Windows by using the Windows installation method.

Am I correct?
I don't know.

I just know what I found out emperically, which is "C" above.

"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote in message news

Am Sun, 1 Apr 2018 22:29:46 -0400, schrieb Bob_S:

I can't give you an answer to that question because I don't use Adobe
Illustrator but found that "embedded fonts" and "Adobe Illustrator" seems
to generate a lot of discussion. Also, it may be trademark or licensing
issues - even though the fonts may be free to you, that may not be free
to use everywhere. But that is all beyond my pay grade.

But wait a few minutes and Paul will find the answer for you.

Hi Bob_S,

I appreciate your candor, which is refreshing on any newsgroup, and which
is common on this Windows newsgroup (but never in the Mac-related
newsgroups where I have a similar question which is going nowhere because
they're just a bunch of babies).

I'll repeat that these common road-sign fonts are perfectly legal, and it
says all over the place that they are, where the only legal requirement on
distribution and use is the copyright line should be available.
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Licensing aside, I don't know anything about Fonts, but looking at the
problem set that I encountered today, I think the answer might be as simple
as this:

1. Windows has a certain standard way of 'doing' fonts.
2. Microsoft Office doesn't necessarily use that method.
3. Adobe Illustrator does use that standard method.

If that supposition above is correct, then that explains why PowerPoint saw
the fonts and embedded them into the document even though I had never
installed the fonts (because the original PPT document didn't come from
me).

The end result anomaly was the following:
A. Powerpoint had no problem seeing fonts that I didn't install
B. A PDF reader had no problem seeing the fonts embedded in the PDF
C. But Adobe Illustrator couldn't see the fonts until I installed them into
Windows by using the Windows installation method.

Am I correct?
I don't know.

I just know what I found out emperically, which is "C" above.

I would agree with your assumptions. As you pointed out, you can embed
fonts in AI but they won't automatically be imported to AI. And that
appears to be a long standing issue. But why Adobe won't change is anyone's
guess.

You found a solution that works and that's what matters and you now
understand why even if no one really knows their reasoning for not
implementing a method to retain fonts in documents being imported - or at
least offer the option.

Back when I was doing tech writing, we used Corel products and Word Perfect
and MS Office suite and what a friggin mess it was. Doesn't sound like it's
changed much since either.

Only reason I responded was when I saw this post, there were no other
responses so I threw my 2 cents in the hat. Totally missed that other
thread on the same subject that looks like it will go on forever...;-)

--


Bob S.

Am Sun, 1 Apr 2018 23:33:37 -0400, schrieb Bob_S:

Back when I was doing tech writing, we used Corel products and Word Perfect
and MS Office suite and what a friggin mess it was. Doesn't sound like it's
changed much since either.

Hehhehheh .. yup. We used FrameMaker. Remember that?
(We wrote a lot of MIF scripts!)

Here's the font tutorial writeup for this thread.

SOLVED
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
How to install the RoadGeek font set in Windows 10 Pro System Font folder:

0. Starting with this PowerPoint file:
http://www27.zippyshare.com/v/H5GDdHA1/file.html (signs.pptx)

1. Which has, embedded in it, these Roadgeek 2005 Series B TT fonts:
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

2. Anyone on Windows can see & edit the file with those fonts in MS Office:
http://i.cubeupload.com/1uNFmZ.gif

Because Windows Microsoft Office "understands" those embedded fonts,
arrows, and other roadsign symbols.

Note: Mac Microsoft Office will *not* understand Windows-embedded fonts.

3. That "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" set is also embedded in the output PDF.
http://i.cubeupload.com/FwghPH.gif
http://www27.zippyshare.com/v/abXkQMAN/file.html (signs.pdf)

4. When I read that PDF into Adobe Illustrator, AI doesn't see the font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

5. When I try to switch fonts, AI doesn't see that font anywhere.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

6. When I go into the Windows Font directory, it's not there either.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6XxE7P.gif

7. So I downloaded the zip file from the Internet of the free RoadGeek
fonts.
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005/

8. I extracted that zip file to the following set of files.
http://i.cubeupload.com/UU5aCL.gif

9. I copied and pasted those extracted files to the Win10 Fonts folder.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6twBO9.gif

10. That copy and paste resulted in the fonts showing up in that folder.
http://i.cubeupload.com/PnUglo.gif

11. Then Adobe Illustrator was able to finally "see" that font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/gBNu1P.gif

12. With the result being that the AI file is the same now as the original.
http://i.cubeupload.com/20nlCB.gif
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ote: If you are reading in the PDF for the first time into AI,
then you will need to run the following additional
font-substitution steps:

A. This is what AI says when it reads in the Powerpoint-saved PDF:
The document contains PDF objects that have been reinterpreted.
The font 1 is missing.
Affected text will be displayed using a substitute font.

So on the one hand, that implies a *font* was substituted ...
http://i.cubeupload.com/cV87Aa.gif

B. However, on the other hand, I do see "strokes" listed in the GUI.
http://i.cubeupload.com/DaYBLG.gif

C. So it's confusing whether fonts or strokes are initially used, but
it does seem that the font is substituted when I run the command:
AI: Type Find Font
as shown below before I select the Roadgeek font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/K6cBu8.gif

D. And the fantastically beautiful result after I select the Roadgeek font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/CnFAUN.gif

E. In short, I am *confused* about that first step whether "strokes"
(whatever they are) are involved, but it doesn't matter because I can
substitute in the Roadgeek font and then it looks fantastically perfect
in
the Roadgeek-font layout!
http://i.cubeupload.com/RHsHn5.gif

Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.

0. I picked up a Powerpoint file from someone else which used this font:
Â* http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Â* Note: I never "installed" that font, to my knowledge.
1. That PowerPoint 2007 clearly has a "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" font.
Â*Â* http://i.cubeupload.com/1uNFmZ.gif
Â* Note: The font exists in the PowerPoint file, by some magic, even though
Â* I never "installed" that font explicitly (whatever it means to install
Â* a font).

2. That "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" set is embedded in an output PDF.
Â*Â* http://i.cubeupload.com/FwghPH.gif

3. When I read that PDF into Adobe Illustrator, it doesn't see the font.
Â*Â* http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

4. When I try to switch fonts, AI doesn't see that font anywhere.
Â*Â* http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

5. When I go into the Windows Font directory, it's not there either.
Â*Â* http://i.cubeupload.com/6XxE7P.gif

Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.
Q1: So how did Powerpoint have the font in the first place?
Q2: What's the process to "give" that font to the next tool that needs it?

If you look at a webpage source, you'll find that many have a font
setting command in them. It stipulates which one to use, and can
stipulate one at another web location; which is a sure-fire way of
ensuring that it is used. The alternative would be to install it
locally, and someone might complain at that as their fonts file grows
like Topsy.
Apparently Powerpoint can do something similar.

I say "good for them". That's user-friendly programming.

Ed

"Ragnusen Ultred" wrote

| Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.
|

Why didn't you just search for: powerpoint embed fonts ?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=1&ct=clnk

Above is the Google cache of this:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint Google's doesn't require script.

Am Mon, 2 Apr 2018 12:11:51 +0100, schrieb Ed Cryer:

Apparently Powerpoint can do something similar.

I say "good for them". That's user-friendly programming.

Hi Ed,

You have a good take on this which is that it's not that MS Office is "non
standard"; instead, it's that MS Office does things "over and above" what
Adobe Illustrator does - which is extremely useful - especially in our use
model.

In our use model, there are a score of people who do NOT have to install
the Roadgeek 2005 Series B font simply because it's *embedded* into the
PowerPoint template that they're using.

Notice this feature of embedding makes for yet another of many reasons why
Powerpoint is the PERFECT tool for this project, despite many people saying
otherwise (who have completely different boundary conditions).

The only two people who need to 'deal' with the special font is the guy who
made the template and the guy who prints the files, who are separated in
the middle by a score of people who don't need to care.

So, this font embedding in Powerpoing is *perfect* for our use model.

Unfortunatately, Adobe Illustrator is dumb by way of comparison in that I
couldn't get AI to do *any* embedding whatsoever of the font.

Luckily, the shop is the one who chose AI so they know how to deal with the
font (and I had to learn but once I learned what I know now, it's extremely
simple).

In summary I think there are 3 generalizations as takeaways:

1. Some tools, like Windows PowerPoint, *respect* embedded fonts (but not
PowerPoint on the Mac).
2. Other tools, like Adobe Illustrator (on Windows or Mac) do not respect
the embedded fonts.
3. Hence, the *output* from those tools, even if it's a PDF, are different
(I think).

Am Mon, 2 Apr 2018 07:58:00 -0400, schrieb Mayayana:

| Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.
|

Why didn't you just search for: powerpoint embed fonts ?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&gbv=1&ct=clnk

Above is the Google cache of this:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint Google's doesn't require script.

Hi Mayayana,

Thanks for that link but that wasn't the question.

The question was *"How do fonts work on Windows".*

The question was not how to embed fonts in PowerPoint since PowerPoint
already had the font embedded.

The question wasn't even how to embed fonts in the PDF because PDF already
had the fonts embedded.

The question was related to why Adobe Illustrator, no matter what you did,
wouldn't respect the fonts that were already embedded in the PDF file.

Notice how "unintuitive" this is that Powerpoint can embed a font into its
output PDF but Adobe Illustrator can't read that embedded font in that PDF,
nor, it turns out, can Adobe Illustrator embed a font into its output PDF.

So a PowerPoint-created PDF can have embedded fonts, but an
Illustrator-created PDF can't.

Do you see how non-intuitive that could be to someone, like me, who didn't
know how Windows fonts worked until we answered this question of how fonts
work?

Hence, the question was *"How do fonts work on Windows".*

Thanks to BoB_S and others, we have the answer so this problem is solved!
Thanks!

On 4/1/18 6:29 PM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.

0. I picked up a Powerpoint file from someone else which used this font:
http://www.fontspace.com/michael-d-adams/roadgeek-2005

Note: I never "installed" that font, to my knowledge.

1. That PowerPoint 2007 clearly has a "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/1uNFmZ.gif
Note: The font exists in the PowerPoint file, by some magic, even though
I never "installed" that font explicitly (whatever it means to install
a font).

2. That "Roadgeek 2005 Series B" set is embedded in an output PDF.
http://i.cubeupload.com/FwghPH.gif

3. When I read that PDF into Adobe Illustrator, it doesn't see the font.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

4. When I try to switch fonts, AI doesn't see that font anywhere.
http://i.cubeupload.com/qIAOAL.gif

5. When I go into the Windows Font directory, it's not there either.
http://i.cubeupload.com/6XxE7P.gif

Quick question only about how FONTS work in Windows & MS Office.
Q1: So how did Powerpoint have the font in the first place?
Q2: What's the process to "give" that font to the next tool that needs it?

IIRC from reading a few years back...

When you "embed" the font in a file, the entire font is copied into the
file. At one time, Word gave you the option of just embedding the
characters used in the file, or embedding nothing.

When the program you are using to view the file sees the embedded font,
Windows uses that font and does not look for the same font on the
computer. The advantage of this is the recipient does not have to have
any particular font in order for the file to be properly displayed.
This is why I always embed the font if possible. If not possible for
the software I'm using, I'll export the file as a PDF and embed the font
there. This assumes that using a PDF is acceptable by the recipient.

The embedded font is NOT installed on your computer, which is why the
font does not show up in your font list. The font will be used ONLY for
that file, AFAIK.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.11.6
Firefox 59.0.1 (64 bit)
Thunderbird 52.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Am Mon, 2 Apr 2018 19:38:28 -0600, schrieb Ken Springer:

IIRC from reading a few years back...

When you "embed" the font in a file, the entire font is copied into the
file. At one time, Word gave you the option of just embedding the
characters used in the file, or embedding nothing.

When the program you are using to view the file sees the embedded font,
Windows uses that font and does not look for the same font on the
computer. The advantage of this is the recipient does not have to have
any particular font in order for the file to be properly displayed.
This is why I always embed the font if possible. If not possible for
the software I'm using, I'll export the file as a PDF and embed the font
there. This assumes that using a PDF is acceptable by the recipient.

The embedded font is NOT installed on your computer, which is why the
font does not show up in your font list. The font will be used ONLY for
that file, AFAIK.

I think there is one more detail, since we know that Adobe Illustrator did
not respect the embedded fonts but PowerPoint and PDF readers did.

Even if a font is embedded, the "program" has to "understand" those fonts.
a. We know PowerPoint understands those fonts because we sent the document
around to people who didn't have the font installed on the system.
b. We know PDF understands those fonts for the same reason.
c. Paul and I tested Adobe Illustrator, which does not seem to understand
those fonts even though they're embedded.

On 4/3/2018 9:24 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Mon, 2 Apr 2018 19:38:28 -0600, schrieb Ken Springer:

IIRC from reading a few years back...

When you "embed" the font in a file, the entire font is copied into
the file.Â* At one time, Word gave you the option of just embedding the
characters used in the file, or embedding nothing.

When the program you are using to view the file sees the embedded
font, Windows uses that font and does not look for the same font on
the computer.Â* The advantage of this is the recipient does not have to
have any particular font in order for the file to be properly
displayed. This is why I always embed the font if possible.Â* If not
possible for the software I'm using, I'll export the file as a PDF and
embed the font there.Â* This assumes that using a PDF is acceptable by
the recipient.

The embedded font is NOT installed on your computer, which is why the
font does not show up in your font list.Â* The font will be used ONLY
for that file, AFAIK.

I think there is one more detail, since we know that Adobe Illustrator did
not respect the embedded fonts but PowerPoint and PDF readers did.

Even if a font is embedded, the "program" has to "understand" those fonts.
a. We know PowerPoint understands those fonts because we sent the document
around to people who didn't have the font installed on the system.
b. We know PDF understands those fonts for the same reason.
c. Paul and I tested Adobe Illustrator, which does not seem to understand
those fonts even though they're embedded.

No program "understands" fonts.

One needs to "understand" what "embedded fonts" are. As I pointed out
weeks ago, Illustrator is NOT a PDF editor, so it is irrelevant whether
fonts are embedded in a file placed into Illustrator; it does not import
the font or its width table.

As I also pointed out weeks ago, what makes PDF a "Portable Document
Format" (its formal name) is the ability to embed fonts *and their width
table* into the document, so any recipient can read and print the file
as intended when using a PDF reader. The file's layout is unchangeable
unless one uses a PDF editor. A PDF file can also be sent directly to a
PostScript device and it will print as intended because the PDF file
format is written in PostScript.

When one passes a PowerPoint file with embedded fonts to a recipient
that opens the file *in PowerPoint*, the file can be also read, and the
same can be done with most Microsoft Office files. However, the
possibility exists that those files will vary from the way they were
created because personalized settings in the recipients' app can change
the way the document is laid out.

I post this for the benefit of readers who are open to understanding
some intricacies of font usage.

--
best regards,

Neil

Neil wrote:
On 4/3/2018 9:24 AM, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Am Mon, 2 Apr 2018 19:38:28 -0600, schrieb Ken Springer:

IIRC from reading a few years back...

When you "embed" the font in a file, the entire font is copied into
the file.Â* At one time, Word gave you the option of just embedding
the characters used in the file, or embedding nothing.

When the program you are using to view the file sees the embedded
font, Windows uses that font and does not look for the same font on
the computer.Â* The advantage of this is the recipient does not have
to have any particular font in order for the file to be properly
displayed. This is why I always embed the font if possible.Â* If not
possible for the software I'm using, I'll export the file as a PDF
and embed the font there.Â* This assumes that using a PDF is
acceptable by the recipient.

The embedded font is NOT installed on your computer, which is why the
font does not show up in your font list.Â* The font will be used ONLY
for that file, AFAIK.

I think there is one more detail, since we know that Adobe Illustrator
did
not respect the embedded fonts but PowerPoint and PDF readers did.

Even if a font is embedded, the "program" has to "understand" those
fonts.
a. We know PowerPoint understands those fonts because we sent the
document
around to people who didn't have the font installed on the system.
b. We know PDF understands those fonts for the same reason.
c. Paul and I tested Adobe Illustrator, which does not seem to understand
those fonts even though they're embedded.

No program "understands" fonts.

One needs to "understand" what "embedded fonts" are. As I pointed out
weeks ago, Illustrator is NOT a PDF editor, so it is irrelevant whether
fonts are embedded in a file placed into Illustrator; it does not import
the font or its width table.

As I also pointed out weeks ago, what makes PDF a "Portable Document
Format" (its formal name) is the ability to embed fonts *and their width
table* into the document, so any recipient can read and print the file
as intended when using a PDF reader. The file's layout is unchangeable
unless one uses a PDF editor. A PDF file can also be sent directly to a
PostScript device and it will print as intended because the PDF file
format is written in PostScript.

When one passes a PowerPoint file with embedded fonts to a recipient
that opens the file *in PowerPoint*, the file can be also read, and the
same can be done with most Microsoft Office files. However, the
possibility exists that those files will vary from the way they were
created because personalized settings in the recipients' app can change
the way the document is laid out.

I post this for the benefit of readers who are open to understanding
some intricacies of font usage.


It reads like the sign posted on the entrance to Hell; Abandon Hope All
Ye Who Enter Here.
I'll add a postscript to that; There are no user manuals for this place,
no service manuals, no parts-explosion diagrams.
You can, of course, guess; but don't pass on your guess to others unless
you want to hurl them straight into the middle circle, where Satan
himself gnaws on the bones of the biggest losers.
"Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita"

Ed