SSD and computer casing.

On 04/17/2018 11:38 AM, Bob_S wrote:

Bob_S, Better cool your irons before you start branding people.Â* :-(

Rene

The comment was for Paul and he can certainly speak for himself.

Name calling is for children

This is for you.Â* When someone insults by speaking down to others, I
believe they need to be called out for it.

I question how an individual can answer all questions about computer
hardware and software in such infinite detail.Â* I find that level of
knowledge absolutely amazing.Â* I think he is a great researcher but
comes up shy on the fix actions he's proposed.


When you have benefited these news groups as much as Paul maybe we may
look at your solutions.


My 40 years of experience and credentials in the telecommunications and
computer science fields, makes me question those that have all the
answers all of the time.


Years of experience don't always prove expertise.


And no, I don't have to cool my irons.

Rather hot headed are you?

Rene

Peter Jason wrote:
My computer case is of Aluminium and earthed to a domestic copper
water pipe. , the casing of the Samsungs SSDs seem to be anodized
aluminium. Since my computer case is old it has no provision for 2.5"
SSDs I have them resting on an aluminium surface. Is this a problem?
I assume the SSDs have internal insulation.




Google "Icy-Dock-EZ-Fit-Lite-Dual-2-5-SSD-HDD-Mounting-Kit-Bracket".
I've had one installed for years; two SSDs in a 3.5" bay; plastic, easy
to fit, solid and secure, lots of mounting holes for screws.

Ed

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ...

On 04/17/2018 11:38 AM, Bob_S wrote:

Bob_S, Better cool your irons before you start branding people. :-(

Rene

The comment was for Paul and he can certainly speak for himself.

Name calling is for children

This is for you. When someone insults by speaking down to others, I
believe they need to be called out for it.

I question how an individual can answer all questions about computer
hardware and software in such infinite detail. I find that level of
knowledge absolutely amazing. I think he is a great researcher but comes
up shy on the fix actions he's proposed.


When you have benefited these news groups as much as Paul maybe we may look
at your solutions.


My 40 years of experience and credentials in the telecommunications and
computer science fields, makes me question those that have all the
answers all of the time.


Years of experience don't always prove expertise.


And no, I don't have to cool my irons.

Rather hot headed are you?

Rene




Rene,

Hot headed - not at all but I know a smart-ass when I see one. Love your
replies.

And you are right - years of experience don't always prove expertise. I'll
wait to see your posts when you bork your system again following advice that
has a lot of technical gee-whiz babble but no real solution is offered.


--


Bob S.

On 04/17/2018 3:37 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne"Â* wrote in message
...

On 04/17/2018 11:38 AM, Bob_S wrote:

Bob_S, Better cool your irons before you start branding people.Â* :-(

Rene

The comment was for Paul and he can certainly speak for himself.

Name calling is for children

This is for you.Â* When someone insults by speaking down to others, I
believe they need to be called out for it.

I question how an individual can answer all questions about computer
hardware and software in such infinite detail.Â* I find that level of
knowledge absolutely amazing.Â* I think he is a great researcher but
comes up shy on the fix actions he's proposed.


When you have benefited these news groups as much as Paul maybe we may
look at your solutions.


My 40 years of experience and credentials in the telecommunications
and computer science fields, makes me question those that have all
the answers all of the time.


Years of experience don't always prove expertise.


And no, I don't have to cool my irons.

Rather hot headed are you?

Rene




Rene,

Hot headed - not at all but I know a smart-ass when I see one.Â* Love
your replies.

:-) :-) :-)


And you are right - years of experience don't always prove expertise.
I'll wait to see your posts when you bork your system again following
advice that has a lot of technical gee-whiz babble but no real solution
is offered.


a. I never bork my computer.
b. And if I did I always have recent backups available
c. I have many times in the past wanted answers to questions and Paul
has come through wit great answers.
d. I enjoy reading Paul's technical explanations, even if I don"t
understand them all.
e. I too have many years experience in the Electronics field 43 years
and certificates in my shelf, but this does not make me an expert.
f. I would be happy if I had one tenth of Paul's Knowledge.

Rene

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message ...

On 04/17/2018 3:37 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
...

On 04/17/2018 11:38 AM, Bob_S wrote:

Bob_S, Better cool your irons before you start branding people. :-(

Rene

The comment was for Paul and he can certainly speak for himself.

Name calling is for children

This is for you. When someone insults by speaking down to others, I
believe they need to be called out for it.

I question how an individual can answer all questions about computer
hardware and software in such infinite detail. I find that level of
knowledge absolutely amazing. I think he is a great researcher but
comes up shy on the fix actions he's proposed.


When you have benefited these news groups as much as Paul maybe we may
look at your solutions.


My 40 years of experience and credentials in the telecommunications and
computer science fields, makes me question those that have all the
answers all of the time.


Years of experience don't always prove expertise.


And no, I don't have to cool my irons.

Rather hot headed are you?

Rene




Rene,

Hot headed - not at all but I know a smart-ass when I see one. Love your
replies.

:-) :-) :-)


And you are right - years of experience don't always prove expertise.
I'll wait to see your posts when you bork your system again following
advice that has a lot of technical gee-whiz babble but no real solution
is offered.


a. I never bork my computer.
b. And if I did I always have recent backups available
c. I have many times in the past wanted answers to questions and Paul has
come through wit great answers.
d. I enjoy reading Paul's technical explanations, even if I don"t
understand them all.
e. I too have many years experience in the Electronics field 43 years and
certificates in my shelf, but this does not make me an expert.
f. I would be happy if I had one tenth of Paul's Knowledge.

Rene


Very good and you have the last word sir.

--


Bob S.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 22:12:11 -0400, Paul
wrote:

ken1943 wrote:
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 08:32:03 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:25:01 -0600, ken1943
wrote:

Go to Amazon.com and buy an SSD tray or mounting bracket for each SSD
you have. They are only a few dollars each and will let you install
the SSDs in 3.5" drive bays.
I wrapped one in bubble wrap and stuck in a 3.5 bay.


Do they get hot? I don't know for sure, but if they do, what you did
could start a fire.

They run cool. Check specs. on one, they only draw under 2-4 watts for
the size I use. Probably depends on how many chips/capacity one has.

For the record, what's been "printed on the tin" of SSDs
is just plain wrong.

There is at least one web site, which has done measurements
on a variety of models, which gives more realistic numbers.
The site would open a box that said "200mW" on the outside,
and find a healthy 2-3W draw instead, during sustained write.

What's wrong with the "printed on the tin" value, is some
marketing bunny decided to print the "devsleep" or other
pointless numbers on the outside of the box. Like some
badge of honor. When in fact, we want the "continuous read"
or "continuous write" value, or high power state values,
to decide how to handle the devices in various situations.

The 2-4 watt value is a good estimate, first of all.

There are some Sandforce ones up around 7 watts. That power
number would not be sustained forever, but on a sustained
write, it might be. The power might be coming from the
data compression solution those controllers use. The ability
to attempt to compress a full-rate stream, is pretty
damn impressive. It's gotta use some power.

One reason for needing to know the SSD peak power, is when
the SSD is on a USB conversion cable (tether). This is why I measured
the power on my SSDs and they all seem to be compatible
with USB2 ports, if I use a converter. A USB2 port is good
for 2.5W long term, 5W short term, and so a 7W SSD being
"cloned over" on an SSD port, has the possibility of
opening the Polyfuse on the motherboard, in mid-transfer.

A second reason for needing a decent high-power-state value,
is for laptops. Where the laptop bay is an "insulating"
design, and from previous experience, only 5400 RPM drives
"survived" in the completely-uncooled bay. A Kingston
(Sandforce) drive might not be the best choice for
such an application.

Once an SSD is inside a desktop, there's no power engineering
to do in there. If you're not cloning on a tether, but
just cabling to the internal SATA cables, you'll be fine
no matter what it is. Leave one exposed surface, so
the small amount of heat can escape. Like, don't
build a styrofoam box for it.

There are some PCI Express ones that draw 15W. Again, not
an issue, as they're open on both sides. And if the
controller on those is a hot spot, it'll have a heatsink.

What about using a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter in a 3.5" bay?

Paul

Lucifer Morningstar wrote:


What about using a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter in a 3.5" bay?

They make them, but not a lot of people seem to be
looking for those.

It depends on the layout of your PC, as to how convenient
that is. To get at the cables on my 5.25" bays, there's
a lot of stuff in the way on mine.

Paul