alt.comp.os.windows-8 not on http://groups.google.com. Is that reallytrue?!

On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:
Bob Henson wrote:

On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:

At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it
can't filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.

It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.

You spelled "worst" wrong. T'bird has horrible filtering, it's acually
as bad as Outlook.

A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good to
anyone else.

If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's fine
but your Usenet experience could be much better.


I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use and
requires more time than I and many others have available. Whilst we're
trying to find some instructions we could be writing messages, making
coffee - more or less anything would be more productive.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

The penalty for bigamy is two Mother-in-Laws

On 13/01/2013 11:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:00:19 +0000, Bob Henson
wrote:

On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.

Just join the UIP, see my signature below.


-- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
it is to block Google Gropers.

At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.


It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.


Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
Outlook can not even read newsgroups.


Obviously I was thinking of e-mail in that case - I am personally
excessively pedantic, but even I didn't didn't think I would need to
explain that to anyone. Perhaps you have nothing better to do :-)

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

On 14/01/2013 9:03 AM, Bob Henson wrote:
On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:
Bob Henson wrote:

On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:

At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it
can't filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.

It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.

You spelled "worst" wrong. T'bird has horrible filtering, it's acually
as bad as Outlook.

A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good to
anyone else.

If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's fine
but your Usenet experience could be much better.


I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use and
requires more time than I and many others have available. Whilst we're
trying to find some instructions we could be writing messages, making
coffee - more or less anything would be more productive.


Read "Dialog" - a typo.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

The light at the end of the tunnel is probably the headlights of an
oncoming train!

On 13/01/2013 8:53 PM, Nil wrote:
On 13 Jan 2013, Bob Henson wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

That's not been my experience. The nicer ones cause chaos in the
groups by their hopelessly badly formatted mails. A tirade of
abuse frequently follows an attempt to get them to ditch G2 and
use a proper newsreader and a free account with a proper server.
Nearly all the really unpleasant folk post from there, and
deleting all posts from Google Groups instantly gets rid of nearly
all the tripe that one otherwise has to read - most of the bad
language and the childishly offensive personal attacks come from
there. If you set filters to remove Google Groups, and any mail
from anywhere that is cross-posted, Usenet instantly becomes quite
pleasant.

Well, that's not at all my experience. Most of them try to do the best
they can with the google system. The ones that are still problems would
still be problems no matter where they posted from.

The "professional" trolls you refer to elsewhere are few in number
and can usually be dealt with by using individual filters.

So can problem Google users be filtered.

As I already said, the biggest problems BY FAR are from non-google
posters. The "professional trolls" (good term) are BY FAR the most
destructive force in the groups I monitor, and they are the hardest to
block because they take great pains to make it hard.

I consider blocking all googlers to be ineffective elitism.

Well, I and the many others that do it know that it works, so we will
just have to disagree with you. Obviously your system and or chosen
newsgroups are different from everyone else's.

--
Bob - Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Year - a period of three hundred and sixtyfive disappointments.

Bob Henson wrote:

On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:

A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good
to anyone else.

If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's
fine but your Usenet experience could be much better.

I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use
and requires more time than I and many others have available.

Even with my busy schedule I can squeeze out the necessary time it
takes for the five mouse clicks it requires to scorefile a poster or an
article. The few seconds required seem justified by the results.

--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:28:07 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Bob Henson wrote:

On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:

A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good
to anyone else.

If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's
fine but your Usenet experience could be much better.

I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use
and requires more time than I and many others have available.

Even with my busy schedule I can squeeze out the necessary time it
takes for the five mouse clicks it requires to scorefile a poster or an
article. The few seconds required seem justified by the results.

I use Agent so only need to press Ctrl & K. None of this score file
rubbish!

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:28:07 -0700, XS11E wrote:

Bob Henson wrote:

On 13/01/2013 11:15 PM, XS11E wrote:

A newsreader without scoring is useless to me and not much good
to anyone else.

If you're getting along w/o decent filtering and scoring that's
fine but your Usenet experience could be much better.

I also use scoring with 40tude dialogue. It is difficult to use
and requires more time than I and many others have available.

Even with my busy schedule I can squeeze out the necessary time it
takes for the five mouse clicks it requires to scorefile a poster or an
article. The few seconds required seem justified by the results.

I'm not so busy, but otherwise, I agree with you :-)

I rarely filter anyone, and by the time I do I've forgotten how I last
did it, but nevertheless, it's not a major event to make a new filter.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:17:46 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 1/13/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
Outlook can not even read newsgroups.

Maybe I am remembering wrong, as it has been many years. But didn't
Outlook at one time have a link for newsgroups and if you clicked, it
just popped up OE6?

That's about what I recall. Maybe it was a bit more complicated that
just popping OE up, but people claimed to do it.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:05:21 +0000, Bob Henson
wrote:

On 13/01/2013 11:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:00:19 +0000, Bob Henson
wrote:

On 13/01/2013 1:07 AM, Warren Post wrote:
On 01/11/2013 05:10 PM, XS11E wrote:
Google Groupers can't infest a newsgroup unless you let them.

Just join the UIP, see my signature below.


-- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement
Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

Totally agreed; so much so I'm not trimming your sig. I used Pan as my
newsreader for years and one of the things I liked about it was how easy
it is to block Google Gropers.

At the moment I'm giving Thunderbird a try. It's not bad, but it can't
filter Message-ID headers, so I may go back to Pan.


It can. Thunderbird has the best system other than Outlook.


Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
Outlook can not even read newsgroups.


Obviously I was thinking of e-mail in that case - I am personally
excessively pedantic, but even I didn't didn't think I would need to
explain that to anyone.


Obviously? In a thread about newsgroups?


Perhaps you have nothing better to do :-)


If you want to explain that I misunderstood what you meant, and why,
that's fine. No complaints from me. But if you want to throw in an
insulting sentence like that one, I don't appreciate it.


--
Ken Blake

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:33:13 +0000, Robin Bignall
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:17:46 -0600, BillW50 wrote:

On 1/13/2013 5:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
Outlook? Outlook has no filtering system for newsgroups. In fact,
Outlook can not even read newsgroups.

Maybe I am remembering wrong, as it has been many years. But didn't
Outlook at one time have a link for newsgroups and if you clicked, it
just popped up OE6?

Outlook Express, maybe.


Yes, that's what OE6 was. You could get to the Outlook Express
newsreader via Outlook, and the Title Bar even said it was the Outlook
Newsreader. But it wasn't. There was never an Outlook newsreader.
Despite what the Title Bar said, it was Outlook Express.


--
Ken Blake

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

I use Agent so only need to press Ctrl & K. None of this score
file rubbish!

Obviously from someone who doesn't understand scoring.


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:03:15 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

I use Agent so only need to press Ctrl & K. None of this score
file rubbish!

Obviously from someone who doesn't understand scoring.

I understand it but can see no advantage.

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com

On 15 Jan 2013, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

I understand it but can see no advantage.

I use Xnews's scoring system to

- identify my own posts and responses to them

- identify favorite posters

- identify trolls and troublemakers

- identify forgers and nymshifters

- identify subjects I'm most interested in

- identify subjects I'm not interested in (say, politics and religion
in a technical newsgroup)

When those posts are identified, I can highlight them or kill them
outright.

The thing that makes Xnews's and some others system most powerful is
that it can use wildcards and regular expressions. A simple killfile
system like many readers have will only collect a list of specific
addresses to kill, which is inefficient and hard to maintain.

I believe Agent has fairly flexible filter features, but if you're only
using the simple kill function you're not getting the most out of the
program.

On 1/11/2013 6:20 PM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

Google groups is way behind Usenet. It copied some of Usenet to
produce the original groups but is no longer updated from Usenet.

Good there is nnseek.com and narkive.com - both bad ones,!
But - but that is still better than nothing.!

Or maybe we don't need Usenet archives really?
So at least one place on the Internet is fully free from being archived?
(Not fully....)

--
anonymous1729532
alt.binaries.fonts alt.os.linux.ubuntu
comp.internet.services.google misc.phone.mobile.iphone

On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:22:04 -0500, Nil
wrote:

I believe Agent has fairly flexible filter features, but if you're only
using the simple kill function you're not getting the most out of the
program.

I use a set of watch & kill filters that have developed over years of
use. Some use regular expressions and wildcards as needed. I set most
kill filters to expire after 10 days of inactivity so there is rarely
more than about 50 active at the same time. It's all set up as default
so there is nothing to do other than an occasional Ctrl + K.

Steve

--
EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com
SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com
JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com