OT corrupted files, how to replace from CD?

Ms' Win98 system suddenly started intermittently 'failing' Suddenly an
app that used to work, no longer works. [no telco line == no malware]
comes up with strange error message or worse, shows NO link to open it!!
like .swf used to open and play no longer will. or even a blue screen,
requiring reboot and scandisk.

Reboot, and says new hardware found !!! and starts trying to find a joy
stick controller for the new hardware, say what?! There's no joy stick on
this PC.

Opening up Device Manager suddenly shows a myriad of yellow question
marks. including under OTHER Devices the keyboard is listed! and CPU
Support and USB Hub what USB Hub? This is Win98?? Deleting and letting
reboot reinstall, they come up yellow again.

It once even asked to put in Windows 98 CD to load appropriate driver. for
something? I tried to 'update' the weird driver, but each time Win98
says, the appropriate driver is installed and working fine. So won't
force a replacement. Yet, comes up yellow question mark!!

So I made a list of the drivers, found them on another machine and
transferred using the floppy drive. Simply deleted the one in C:/Windows
folders with ones having the same size and exact same date. Then reboot
and almost ALL the yellow questiron marks went away. USB Hub still coems
up yellow question mark, but I don't have the intkern.vxd anywhere. but
don't use USB port so don't care.

Two QUESTIONS:
1. If, assuming that the driver associated with something, gets corrupted
somehow; how do you ask Win98 to remove the one installed with a 'fresh'
copy from the CD? It said to do that, but wouldn't do it, kept saying the
one installed is proper AND it's ok, and won't forcibly replace the file.
Replacing seemed to work, so something was wrong with the file.

2. Since this has happened and EVERY file is suspect, how do I do a
complete reinstall? and leave ALL the working folders intact? Accidently
destroying any works in progress, is not allowed and no real way to move
them, the files are way too many and way too large to move. Any idea how
to do a reinstall safely? in and round other files.

On Wed, 07 May 2014 12:16:23 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

Ms' Win98 system suddenly started intermittently 'failing' Suddenly an
app that used to work, no longer works. [no telco line == no malware]
comes up with strange error message or worse, shows NO link to open it!!
like .swf used to open and play no longer will. or even a blue screen,
requiring reboot and scandisk.

Reboot, and says new hardware found !!! and starts trying to find a joy
stick controller for the new hardware, say what?! There's no joy stick on
this PC.

Opening up Device Manager suddenly shows a myriad of yellow question
marks. including under OTHER Devices the keyboard is listed! and CPU
Support and USB Hub what USB Hub? This is Win98?? Deleting and letting
reboot reinstall, they come up yellow again.

It once even asked to put in Windows 98 CD to load appropriate driver. for
something? I tried to 'update' the weird driver, but each time Win98
says, the appropriate driver is installed and working fine. So won't
force a replacement. Yet, comes up yellow question mark!!

So I made a list of the drivers, found them on another machine and
transferred using the floppy drive. Simply deleted the one in C:/Windows
folders with ones having the same size and exact same date. Then reboot
and almost ALL the yellow questiron marks went away. USB Hub still coems
up yellow question mark, but I don't have the intkern.vxd anywhere. but
don't use USB port so don't care.

Two QUESTIONS:
1. If, assuming that the driver associated with something, gets corrupted
somehow; how do you ask Win98 to remove the one installed with a 'fresh'
copy from the CD? It said to do that, but wouldn't do it, kept saying the
one installed is proper AND it's ok, and won't forcibly replace the file.
Replacing seemed to work, so something was wrong with the file.

2. Since this has happened and EVERY file is suspect, how do I do a
complete reinstall? and leave ALL the working folders intact? Accidently
destroying any works in progress, is not allowed and no real way to move
them, the files are way too many and way too large to move. Any idea how
to do a reinstall safely? in and round other files.

Win98 is a lot less touchy than XP, so it's easier to manipulate. First
off, do you have a recent backup, or even akn older one? If not, why
not? Backups solve a lot of problems. If you have one, just restore
the backup. Have you defragged lately? Severely fragmented drives are
prone to getting files corrupted. It sounds like you have some
corrupted files, or something got deleted. Just renaming a folder which
contains drivers or system files can cause havoc.

Have you checked for viruses and malware? That could cause this too.

Here are some tips to try.

First off, do a backup NOW, but keep your older backups if you have
them.

With that done, and after checking for viruses. get a bootable floppy
and boot with it.

From that floppy boot, go to C:, and rename your Windows folder to
something else. "OLDWIN" will work.

Now, insert your Win98 install CD, and reinstall Win98 to C:\Windows.
(dont let it reformat your hard drive). When this is finished, remove
the floppy and boot up. You should be booted to the NEW install of
Windows (in C:\Windows). Once you know it works, shut down, boot from
the floppy to dos again. Go to C:\Windows, and folder by folder, copy
all the files to C:\OLDWIN, selecting {YES TO ALL} when it asks if you
want to replace a file. You'll have to go to each folder inside of
windows and do the same. DO NOT do this in the folder called
"Application Data". That's your settings and personal stuff. Most
inmportant are the System and System32 folders as well as the root
folder of windows.

However, there are 3 files you DO NOT want to copy and replace. They
are the two Kernel files and the Swap file.

When this is done, rename WINDOWS to NEWWIN, and rename OLDWIN to
WINDOWS. Remove floppy and reboot. This will likely fix it. You have
replaced all the default windows files.

I've dont this, and it works, but it's time consuming. You could also
just try to install Windows from the original CD, right on top of what
is already there. Thats a lot easier, but not quite as effective. It
WILL scramble the icons on your desktop though, but that's not all too
serious.

----

I actually installed Win98 to a spare hard drive. I did a minimal
install (no games). I then deleted all the .BMP wallpapers and some
other unimportant stuff. Then I ran Winzip, and zipped the whole thing.
I have this zipped up Win98 file stored in a dark corner of my
harddrive. If I need a file, I just open the zipfile, and unzip the
needed file. That helps too.

Your USB hub driver is part of your hardware, you need to find the
drivers for THAT computer. It should be on a website. And you can
google that .VXD filename too. Most of those files can be found online,
but they can be hard to find for soem things....

Good luck

On Wed, 07 May 2014 22:11:48 -0700, wrote:

...snip....
Win98 is a lot less touchy than XP, so it's easier to manipulate. First
off, do you have a recent backup, or even akn older one? If not, why
not? Backups solve a lot of problems. If you have one, just restore
the backup. Have you defragged lately? Severely fragmented drives are
prone to getting files corrupted. It sounds like you have some
corrupted files, or something got deleted. Just renaming a folder which
contains drivers or system files can cause havoc.

Have you checked for viruses and malware? That could cause this too.

Here are some tips to try.

...snip to keep Aioe happy....

Thank you for the great step by step instructions. Not likely to be
malware, since computer not on line for over 10 years. I NEVER do backups
[always copy what I need to have somewhere else] after getting a backup
slightly corrupted by ?? and everything was so entertwined caused no end
of problems, plus was BIG! So now we just follow the rule, "Pretend you
came in this morning and you find that someone stole your computer, what
are you going to do?" I think that attitude of backup works best.

Especially like the idea of keeping a stripped down copy on hard drive, I
used to do that with the whole install CD, but the idea of the strip down
seems better.

Any idea why the 'overlay' from CD is not as effective as renaming the
files and tediously doing the reinstall? Or, is it part of that MS
built-in "found one! no need for another one" attitude?

Will start on the steps this mroning.

On Thu, 08 May 2014 06:24:05 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Wed, 07 May 2014 22:11:48 -0700, wrote:

...snip....
Win98 is a lot less touchy than XP, so it's easier to manipulate. First
off, do you have a recent backup, or even akn older one? If not, why
not? Backups solve a lot of problems. If you have one, just restore
the backup. Have you defragged lately? Severely fragmented drives are
prone to getting files corrupted. It sounds like you have some
corrupted files, or something got deleted. Just renaming a folder which
contains drivers or system files can cause havoc.

Have you checked for viruses and malware? That could cause this too.

Here are some tips to try.

...snip to keep Aioe happy....

Thank you for the great step by step instructions. Not likely to be
malware, since computer not on line for over 10 years. I NEVER do backups
[always copy what I need to have somewhere else] after getting a backup
slightly corrupted by ?? and everything was so entertwined caused no end
of problems, plus was BIG! So now we just follow the rule, "Pretend you
came in this morning and you find that someone stole your computer, what
are you going to do?" I think that attitude of backup works best.

Especially like the idea of keeping a stripped down copy on hard drive, I
used to do that with the whole install CD, but the idea of the strip down
seems better.

Any idea why the 'overlay' from CD is not as effective as renaming the
files and tediously doing the reinstall? Or, is it part of that MS
built-in "found one! no need for another one" attitude?

Will start on the steps this mroning.

I come to this newsgroup to (mostly) get help with XP. That's because I
am fairly new to using XP. I've always loved Win98 and just stuck with
it. Recently I decided I had to start using something else for the
internet, because there are no browsers made for Win98 anymore that work
properly. I can and will continue to use Win98 for other stuff, but
need to keep working toward using XP for browsing the web. I'm using
Win98 right now. It works fine for newsgroups and email, and most other
stuff.

When I saw your Win98 question, I figured I'd be the able to help. XP
tends to often puzzle me, but I have learned to do darn near everything
with Win98.

When I use the word "Backup" I'm not saying you need any so called
"backup software". That software makes it easy to do a daily backup of
only the NEW or MODIFIED data. But in the past I too have had problems
with backup programs that compact the data into one file. If that file
gets corrupted, then you're screwed when you need it.

BUt a backup can be ANY method of making a duplicate. That can be as
simple as simply making a copy. That's all I do. About once a month, I
copy the whole computer to a USB external hard drive. I may backup my
personal stuff (which I put into specific folders and partitions), more
often. But once a month I do a complete backup, just by copying
everything.

The problem I encountered is that most (or all) of the newest external
drives no longer come with drivers for Win98. But I have a solution for
that too. I have Win2000 as a dual boot. Win2000 will run any of the
external drives. Win2000 is little more than a very stripped down XP.
(or was the first conception of XP). About the only thing I use it for,
is to do my backups. I just boot to Win2000, plug in my external HDD,
and copy each partition to the external drive into a folder. Drive C:
gets copied to CC on the backup, Drive D: goes to DD, etc. Use any
names you like.

Hiowever, you can NOT copy specific windows files while using that OS.
I found a simple work-around. I just copy the windows 2000 folders to
another folder, right before doing my backup. (while running Win98).
Then I boot to Win2000, and copy everything, EXCEPT the Win2000 folder,
the Documents and Settings Folder, and the Win2000 swap file.
(PAGEFILE.SYS). Just dont select those two folders and PAGEFILE.SYS.

Unless my external HDD was to fail, there is no corruption of backup
data. It's in it's raw form, simply a duplicate. There are other ways
to do the same thing. You can boot from a linux CD or flash drive, etc.
I just prefer the Win2000 method.

If you want to open your computer and have a spare hard drive, you could
just unplug your current hard drive, plug in the spare, boot up with a
Dos floppy, and install a stripped down version of Win98. Then copy all
the windows files from what you just installed (Minus Win386.swp) [swap
file], to a flash drive. (You'll need an older flash drive with Win98
drivers).

Then plug in your original HDD again, and you can copy the files from
your flash drive that you just made (except the two Kernel files), into
your Windows folder, and overwrite all of them. Just make sure you
backup first, in case something goes wrong. Using the spare HDD
simplifies things, but you can also do as I said earlier too.
Either way, SAVE this stripped down Win98 for future use.

Copy it to your HDD if you prefer. I have both a stripped down copy and
the whole Win98 CD files on my HDD. It uses up soem HDD space,but Win98
is not all that big, and it sure is a life saver when something goes
awry.

When you speak of the "overlay", I guess you mean the files inside the
..CAB files, which are usually named .ex_ rather than .exe, or .sy_
instead of .sys. etc. Some can simply be renamed, but others are
compacted. Generally speaking, you can just rename the drivers, but
when it comes to executable fiels, I'd rather getr them from my stripped
down install. I cant tell you why MS did it that way, Probably just to
save space. When I click on a .CAB file, I can view the contents of it
and extract any file to a temp folder. I'm really not sure if that was
built into Windows, or if something like Winzip is doing it. I probably
have every file made for Win98 to open compacted files, install on this
computer. Over the years, I just installed them as needed. I've used
this same install of Win98 since 1998 or 99. I've had to repair it,
restore it from backups and done a few other things, but it's still the
same install with hundreds of utilities and programs installed. I keep
it defragged regularly, and it runs real clean and smooth. I rarely see
a blue screen or have problems with it. My biggest problem is web
browsers locking up cuz of script errors, but win98 keeps working, I
just got to open "Process Viewer" (freeware utility), and kill the
browser.

Hope this helps.

On Thu, 08 May 2014 11:05:27 -0700, wrote:

...snip to keep Aioe happy...
Hope this helps.


just tried to work with four PC cases and EACH one of them have something
wrong somewhere!! Why does that happen when you NEED them?

now trying to combine pieces from here and ther, and got a brief scandisk
of the initial problematic HD. said the first byte in the FAT table is
corrupted, fix, yes/no? I didn't touch it, yet. Before I could do too much
that mahcine quit working.

Right now there is a litany of problems, burned up monitor driver board!
intermitteant(?) cabling to HD and CD, intermittent HD [came up with fully
loaded WinXP-Pro on it that I had put on four years ago and forgot about,
then didn't come up again. either can't find it, or it's WinXP. or nothing
on it ??


Unfortunately, the CPU fan in the Dell DTXQ6 PC was blocked and the PC
suddenly quit and won't come back, won't even run that fan anymore. I'm
hoping there might be a thermal shutdown that got activated and all will
come back, but so far hasn't. Doesn't boot up, and the PC fan doesn't run,
Any idea what's fried?

Right now fighting myriad of intermittent activities. I take apart, clean
up, put together still sometimes works sometimes doesn't ARRRGGG!

The PC with the HD [WinXP] that didn't repeatably come up, I added a HD as
slave to transfer, but now it won't come up. Now again nothing seems to
work. Not sure how to get methodical here. Feel like so far the process
has been back up, retrace, works, retrace, doesn't work, retrace nothing,
retrace a bit better something happens, etc. just back and forth.

Now after finding that blocked fan I hope the motherbd, or the pentium's
not fried. Two days ago that PC shell reliably worked. sigh.

Regarding using HD as backup. I use a batch file with shortcut icon on the
desktop that simply click on and it updates any changes/new files/etc
automatically. I used to count on multiple HD's as backups. Used
Seagates' good ones and yet lost 8 HD's in a couple of years! punched big
holes in my 'backup data' plan. I've gone back to the Dell shell's because
they don't seem to eat a HD. The Evergreen's ate HD's AND themselves, so
they're all trashed.

well, back to the battle.

I think I've got a HD with Win2000 on it that I'd like to use, but it
requires a stupid password to make it work and now have NO idea how to ge
it up and running. May have some good apps, so hate to wipe it and install
something. Anyway to resurrect the W2000 on the HD?

On Thu, 08 May 2014 11:05:27 -0700, wrote:



Hope this helps.

remember if something doesn't work quite right, it's the same as not
working AT ALL!!
FINALLY! here's the total damage:
power supply
pentium II
floppy drive
monitor driver PCB
HD
CD-ROM player
maybe a motherboard [speaking euphemistically]

whew, and don't get me started on what it took to straighten out all the
solftware reconstruction issues
fragments and broken thingies beyond belief!

but up and running now, thanks for the step by step.

On 07/05/2014 20:16, RobertMacy wrote:
Ms' Win98 system suddenly started intermittently 'failing' Suddenly
an app that used to work, no longer works. [no telco line == no
malware] comes up with strange error message or worse, shows NO link
to open it!! like .swf used to open and play no longer will. or
even a blue screen, requiring reboot and scandisk.

Reboot, and says new hardware found !!! and starts trying to find a
joy stick controller for the new hardware, say what?! There's no joy
stick on this PC.

Opening up Device Manager suddenly shows a myriad of yellow question
marks. including under OTHER Devices the keyboard is listed! and CPU
Support and USB Hub what USB Hub? This is Win98?? Deleting and
letting reboot reinstall, they come up yellow again.

It once even asked to put in Windows 98 CD to load appropriate driver.
for something? I tried to 'update' the weird driver, but each time
Win98 says, the appropriate driver is installed and working fine. So
won't force a replacement. Yet, comes up yellow question mark!!

So I made a list of the drivers, found them on another machine and
transferred using the floppy drive. Simply deleted the one in
C:/Windows folders with ones having the same size and exact same date.
Then reboot and almost ALL the yellow questiron marks went away. USB
Hub still coems up yellow question mark, but I don't have the
intkern.vxd anywhere. but don't use USB port so don't care.

Two QUESTIONS:
1. If, assuming that the driver associated with something, gets
corrupted somehow; how do you ask Win98 to remove the one installed
with a 'fresh' copy from the CD? It said to do that, but wouldn't do
it, kept saying the one installed is proper AND it's ok, and won't
forcibly replace the file. Replacing seemed to work, so something was
wrong with the file.

2. Since this has happened and EVERY file is suspect, how do I do a
complete reinstall? and leave ALL the working folders intact?
Accidently destroying any works in progress, is not allowed and no
real way to move them, the files are way too many and way too large to
move. Any idea how to do a reinstall safely? in and round other files.


Insert your CD in the drive and at the command prompt type this:

sfc /scannow

This should copy the refresh your files on the HD.



--
Good Guy
Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk
Website: http://html-css.co.uk
Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us

On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:53:46 -0700, Good Guy
wrote:

...snip....
Insert your CD in the drive and at the command prompt type this:

sfc /scannow

This should copy the refresh your files on the HD.

Sounds perfect, but keep getting 'unknown' command response.

Should it scan for what is installed and then dip back from the CD to
change the file automatically?

On 09/05/2014 03:22, RobertMacy wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:53:46 -0700, Good Guy
wrote:

...snip....
Insert your CD in the drive and at the command prompt type this:

sfc /scannow

This should copy the refresh your files on the HD.

Sounds perfect, but keep getting 'unknown' command response.

Should it scan for what is installed and then dip back from the CD to
change the file automatically?


you might need to change to:

C:\Windows\System32\sfc /scannow

It looks like your system path is also gone southwards. anyway this can
be sorted later.



--
Good Guy
Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk
Website: http://html-css.co.uk
Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us

On Thu, 08 May 2014 19:36:40 -0700, Good Guy
wrote:

On 09/05/2014 03:22, RobertMacy wrote:
On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:53:46 -0700, Good Guy
wrote:

...snip....
Insert your CD in the drive and at the command prompt type this:

sfc /scannow

This should copy the refresh your files on the HD.

Sounds perfect, but keep getting 'unknown' command response.

Should it scan for what is installed and then dip back from the CD to
change the file automatically?


you might need to change to:

C:\Windows\System32\sfc /scannow

It looks like your system path is also gone southwards. anyway this can
be sorted later.




Some of the files that came up during the 'scandisk' listed four in the
Windodws folder, with two you can't touch while Windows is running, so I
did the 'boot from floppy' method and manual transferred them from another
machine, seemed to correct some problems but don't know how many files are
corrupted 'until, and if' they are used! I wish software people wouldn't
assume everything works perfectly and never changes. Been nice to have a
way to just go through and 'update' files, or have some checksum
indicatrion that thy're no longer the same, change 'em.

Say these two files are needed for 'normal' operation, would your
suggestion still work?

On Thu, 08 May 2014 17:49:12 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:


whew, and don't get me started on what it took to straighten out all the
solftware reconstruction issues
fragments and broken thingies beyond belief!

but up and running now, thanks for the step by step.

Glad you got 98 fixed. (8 can almost always be fixed if you know the
tricks.

As far as the missing password in Win2000, There might be some sort of
hack to get you past it. I'd google for those words. I dont use
passwords, and so far I've been lucky and not gotten any computers that
were worth hassling with it. There was one with a real tiny HDD, like
2G. I just replaced the drive.

As far as your other problems, it sounds like you need at least one
newer computer. But you must have something that works to post messages
on here. It also sounds like some of those computers are junk. I'm
sure someone will disagree with me, but I think Dell computers are
completely junk (right from the factory). It seems notorious for them
to have fans die, adn then they overheat and once that happens, they run
like ****. I know someone with a Dual core P4, high speed Dell. and
that thing runs slower than my old 386 computer used to run. She has XP
on it. There is a 5 second delay just opening any folder. Worse yet,
all she uses it for are to play the games that came with Windows. No
internet or anything.

Anyhow, a few years ago, it kept shutting off. This was duing the heat
of mid summer with no AC in that house. I went ot look at it, adn that
processor was so hot I could have fried an egg on it. Yhe rear fan on
the case, which has a big plastic scoop over the processor (which also
has a fan), was dead. Dell wanted around $75 a replacement fan. The
fan is not just a fan, it has electronics built into it, and it controls
other stuff.

Anyhow, the amount of heat produced, considering the extreme slow
computer did not make any sense. And why do they have that big plastic
scoop, plus three other fans. Obviously there is a heat problem right
from the factory. I found a used matching fan for her on Ebay, got it
and installed it and she was happy to play her games again. I didn't
say a word about the extreme slowness.

Last year I found 2 Dells computers They were similar to that one I
fixed for that person. Big plastic scoop and all. Both much more
powerful than any computer I use. One booted right up, and ran slow as
**** (just like that woman's computer). The other one had a bad HDD. I
swapped the HDD from the other one, and it booted but with some fuss
from XP (not identical computers on a HDD swap). That one ran slower
than **** too. I pulled out the power supplies, floppy drives,RAM,
internal modems and some cables, plus that one good HDD. Also knowing
what those fans sell for, I saved them. Everything else went right in
the trash.

Those have got to be the worst computers ever made. I dont have any
computers that run that slow, even my old ones with much less power. I
also dont have any computers that need all that excessive fans, scoops,
and other stuff, and none that pump out almost as much heat as an
electric space heater.

On Fri, 09 May 2014 02:23:11 -0700, wrote:

...snip....

Those have got to be the worst computers ever made. I dont have any
computers that run that slow, even my old ones with much less power. I
also dont have any computers that need all that excessive fans, scoops,
and other stuff, and none that pump out almost as much heat as an
electric space heater.

These are the Dells pulled out of service as servers, run like trucks,
forever.

Speed, chess game on the 250MHz Win98 machine is zippy compared to later
OS. Same game on HighSpeed, power hog, whizbang WinXP leaves a delay just
moving a piece! and a railing iage it's so slow! Yes, and noticeable
delay every time look around a folder.

It's easy to see how over time an OS using previous software needs more
and more resources. C/C++ progeams have those sub calls that open, setup
resources, do some task, release resources [hopefully], kind of like
opening a telescopic tube. Each section takes a bit of time to pull out,
then close back up. Bad enouch with simple programs, but keep adding
layers upon layers relying upon legacy software and you see the problem.
The concept of 'real-time' seems to be a 'foreign' concept. I know, I
know. When writing software, you have to set priorities and start
somewhere. But it forced me to write my own code, couldn't even use the
built-in complex math functions! But running up to 36 times faster allowed
me to wedge in real-time operation on a slow WinXP processing two channels
32Mbs, performing optimizations, number crunching big time, performing
multiple DSPs, fft's, data compression, image splicing, etc etc. So
insted of like a 600MHz clock the instrument rans like it;s on a 20 GHz
machine! just by custom writing the software. ...now if we could just get
someone to do a 'new' OS.

"RobertMacy" wrote in message
newsp.xfh7tmdk2cx0wh@ajm...
| Ms' Win98 system suddenly started intermittently 'failing' Suddenly an
| app that used to work, no longer works. [no telco line == no malware]
| comes up with strange error message or worse, shows NO link to open it!!
| like .swf used to open and play no longer will. or even a blue screen,
| requiring reboot and scandisk.


| Reboot, and says new hardware found !!! and starts trying to find a joy
| stick controller for the new hardware, say what?! There's no joy stick on
| this PC.

You need no Joy stick plug-in for the new hardware

Need to know name and make of computer
to help get the right drives for or PC

For not all the drive is on a Windows 98 cd


| Opening up Device Manager suddenly shows a myriad of yellow question
| marks. including under OTHER Devices the keyboard is listed! and CPU
| Support and USB Hub what USB Hub? This is Win98?? Deleting and letting
| reboot reinstall, they come up yellow again.

We Need the name and make of computer
to help get the right drives for or PC

For you have to get the drivers for the Device website
Because you do not have the right Drive for the USB

| It once even asked to put in Windows 98 CD to load appropriate driver. for
| something? I tried to 'update' the weird driver, but each time Win98
| says, the appropriate driver is installed and working fine. So won't
| force a replacement. Yet, comes up yellow question mark!!

It true all the appropriate driver is installed
and working fine that on that Windows cd

Now where is the Compurer CD
With it's Divers for the USB, Joy stick and so on


| So I made a list of the drivers, found them on another machine and
| transferred using the floppy drive. Simply deleted the one in C:/Windows
| folders with ones having the same size and exact same date. Then reboot
| and almost ALL the yellow questiron marks went away. USB Hub still coems
| up yellow question mark, but I don't have the intkern.vxd anywhere. but
| don't use USB port so don't care.

Who is are USB maker we need to know

|
| Two QUESTIONS:
| 1. If, assuming that the driver associated with something, gets corrupted
| somehow; how do you ask Win98 to remove the one installed with a 'fresh'
| copy from the CD? It said to do that, but wouldn't do it, kept saying the
| one installed is proper AND it's ok, and won't forcibly replace the file.
| Replacing seemed to work, so something was wrong with the file.

Do you see the Error File or Setup.log on C:\

| 2. Since this has happened and EVERY file is suspect, how do I do a
| complete reinstall?

You can not do complete reinstall With Windows 98
Because you can not update it

| and leave ALL the working folders intact? Accidently
| destroying any works in progress, is not allowed and no real way to move
| them, the files are way too many and way too large to move. Any idea how
| to do a reinstall safely? in and round other files.

If you do have all the New Update Drives
For your PC on a CD
Reinstall will be unsafely for Windows 98

On Fri, 09 May 2014 05:43:03 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Fri, 09 May 2014 02:23:11 -0700, wrote:

...snip....

Those have got to be the worst computers ever made. I dont have any
computers that run that slow, even my old ones with much less power. I
also dont have any computers that need all that excessive fans, scoops,
and other stuff, and none that pump out almost as much heat as an
electric space heater.

These are the Dells pulled out of service as servers, run like trucks,
forever.

Speed, chess game on the 250MHz Win98 machine is zippy compared to later
OS. Same game on HighSpeed, power hog, whizbang WinXP leaves a delay just
moving a piece! and a railing iage it's so slow! Yes, and noticeable
delay every time look around a folder.

It's easy to see how over time an OS using previous software needs more
and more resources. C/C++ progeams have those sub calls that open, setup
resources, do some task, release resources [hopefully], kind of like
opening a telescopic tube. Each section takes a bit of time to pull out,
then close back up. Bad enouch with simple programs, but keep adding
layers upon layers relying upon legacy software and you see the problem.
The concept of 'real-time' seems to be a 'foreign' concept. I know, I
know. When writing software, you have to set priorities and start
somewhere. But it forced me to write my own code, couldn't even use the
built-in complex math functions! But running up to 36 times faster allowed
me to wedge in real-time operation on a slow WinXP processing two channels
32Mbs, performing optimizations, number crunching big time, performing
multiple DSPs, fft's, data compression, image splicing, etc etc. So
insted of like a 600MHz clock the instrument rans like it;s on a 20 GHz
machine! just by custom writing the software. ...now if we could just get
someone to do a 'new' OS.

So Dell did make some "GOOD" computers? I sure have not seen them......
Maybe it's just these P4 types that are bad? I have a very bad opinion
of Dell, based on these P4 computers.

I've gotten to like IBM computers. They are built like an army tank!

Yea, I dont understand why so much stuff is added to the newer OSs.
Win98 has always been faster and easier to use. The installer for
Win98se was around 300megs. Without looking, I guess XP was around 1gig
Now I learn that Windows 7 is around 3gig. I wont even ask how big
Windows 8 is..... All this extra stuff needs to operate whenever
something occurs in Windows, and all of that sucks down the power. I
notice a slight delay in XP whenever I do something too, and that is on
a 3.2 ghz computer with 4G Ram, compared to a 1ghz computer with 512M
Ram.

What gets me, is that XP or probably Win8 (never used it), all do the
same thing as Win98. Sure, there are a few processes that can be
executed in the newer OSs, which Win98 lacked, but for the most part,
all these newer OSs do is add bloat. I'm learning to appreciate some of
what XP can do, but I wish I could strip out much of the worthless ****
built into it. In the end, I still like Win98 the best. Win98 really
could use a few upgrades. USB support is at the top of the list. And
of course it wont run any newer browsers, but that is the fault of the
browser makers, not Win98.

I just wish someone would create a new upgraded version of Win98, but
since MS owns the code, and we all know they have abandoned W98, this
will never happen. Of course now that XP is also abandoned, the end of
"MY SUPPORT" for MS is over. There is no way in hell that I will ever
go beyond XP, with their power hungry and hard to use newer OSs.

I'm starting to look toward Linux, but Linux has it's flaws and is hard
to learn. I want to try this ReactOs one of these days. Either way,
I'm not presently seeing any present OS taht I really want to use. With
any luck, I'll continue to use Win98 and XP for the rest of my life. at
my age, I probably can. And considering what the web is turning into, I
might not even need a newer web browser soon. Seems malware has taken
over, you cant download many of the youtube videos anymore, and then
there's that goddamn Facebook, which I still say will be the end of the
internet. All that thing does is invade a person's priivacy, for no
gain, unless a person want to waste their whole life on it reading a
whole bunch of gossip and worthless ****.

wrote:
On Fri, 09 May 2014 05:43:03 -0700, RobertMacy
wrote:

On Fri, 09 May 2014 02:23:11 -0700, wrote:

...snip....

Those have got to be the worst computers ever made. I dont have any
computers that run that slow, even my old ones with much less power. I
also dont have any computers that need all that excessive fans, scoops,
and other stuff, and none that pump out almost as much heat as an
electric space heater.

These are the Dells pulled out of service as servers, run like trucks,
forever.

Speed, chess game on the 250MHz Win98 machine is zippy compared to later
OS. Same game on HighSpeed, power hog, whizbang WinXP leaves a delay just
moving a piece! and a railing iage it's so slow! Yes, and noticeable
delay every time look around a folder.

It's easy to see how over time an OS using previous software needs more
and more resources. C/C++ progeams have those sub calls that open, setup
resources, do some task, release resources [hopefully], kind of like
opening a telescopic tube. Each section takes a bit of time to pull out,
then close back up. Bad enouch with simple programs, but keep adding
layers upon layers relying upon legacy software and you see the problem.
The concept of 'real-time' seems to be a 'foreign' concept. I know, I
know. When writing software, you have to set priorities and start
somewhere. But it forced me to write my own code, couldn't even use the
built-in complex math functions! But running up to 36 times faster
allowed
me to wedge in real-time operation on a slow WinXP processing two
channels
32Mbs, performing optimizations, number crunching big time, performing
multiple DSPs, fft's, data compression, image splicing, etc etc. So
insted of like a 600MHz clock the instrument rans like it;s on a 20 GHz
machine! just by custom writing the software. ...now if we could just
get
someone to do a 'new' OS.

So Dell did make some "GOOD" computers? I sure have not seen them......
Maybe it's just these P4 types that are bad? I have a very bad opinion
of Dell, based on these P4 computers.

I've had three or four Dells, and all of them have been fine.

I've gotten to like IBM computers. They are built like an army tank!

True. And maybe Lenovo.

Yea, I dont understand why so much stuff is added to the newer OSs.
Win98 has always been faster and easier to use. The installer for
Win98se was around 300megs. Without looking, I guess XP was around
1G Now I learn that Windows 7 is around 3gig. I wont even ask how big
Windows 8 is..... All this extra stuff needs to operate whenever
something occurs in Windows, and all of that sucks down the power. I
notice a slight delay in XP whenever I do something too, and that is on
a 3.2 ghz computer with 4G Ram, compared to a 1ghz computer with 512M
Ram.

XP is a bit bigger than 1 GB, and Win 7 I'd bet is over 10 GB. And 1 GB
of RAM is plenty for XP in most cases. Heck, maybe even 512K, for that
matter. Then again, I'm not running 20 apps at once. That way one app
gets all of my attention and if anything ever crashes, it's just one app,
thank you. :-)

What gets me, is that XP or probably Win8 (never used it), all do the
same thing as Win98. Sure, there are a few processes that can be
executed in the newer OSs, which Win98 lacked, but for the most part,
all these newer OSs do is add bloat. I'm learning to appreciate some of
what XP can do, but I wish I could strip out much of the worthless ****
built into it. In the end, I still like Win98 the best. Win98 really
could use a few upgrades. USB support is at the top of the list. And
of course it wont run any newer browsers, but that is the fault of the
browser makers, not Win98.

WinXP is more robust, less blue-screen prone, has great USB support, never
runs out of heap resources, and allows programs to run that were written
within the last decade, which Win98 doesn't (so often). And I've found some
of those programs to be indispensable.

But, like you, I like the older versions of most software, and not
bloatware. But when I say old, I don't mean Win 3.1 apps. :-) And
oldversion.com and oldapps.com are good sites for a lot of such software, as
we've already noted.

I just wish someone would create a new upgraded version of Win98, but
since MS owns the code, and we all know they have abandoned W98, this
will never happen. Of course now that XP is also abandoned, the end of
"MY SUPPORT" for MS is over. There is no way in hell that I will ever
go beyond XP, with their power hungry and hard to use newer OSs.

I'm starting to look toward Linux, but Linux has it's flaws and is hard
to learn.

You might try Linux Mint Cinnamon (but not on the oldest Win98 computer).
It seems pretty good, but perhaps not as intuitive as Windows, obviously,
plus it won't run windows apps without Wine (which you can add, however). I
can't get into Linux Puppy. I tried it a couple of times - thanks, but no
thanks. Linux Mint is another story. Or possibly ZorinOS. Ubuntu has
gone nuts with that Unity interface (no thanks!). It *used* to be pretty
good (with the old versions, almost setting the mainstream standard) before
they screwed up the interface with that Unity tiled and whatever interface
(IMO).

I want to try this ReactOs one of these days. Either way,
I'm not presently seeing any present OS taht I really want to use. With
any luck, I'll continue to use Win98 and XP for the rest of my life. at
my age, I probably can.

Hopefully here too. :-) But who knows. (except I'm now finally weaned off
of Win8SE (and some of its serious limitations) as noted.

And considering what the web is turning into, I might
not even need a newer web browser soon. Seems malware has taken
over, you cant download many of the youtube videos anymore, and then
there's that goddamn Facebook, which I still say will be the end of the
internet. All that thing does is invade a person's priivacy, for no
gain, unless a person want to waste their whole life on it reading a
whole bunch of gossip and worthless ****.