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  #31  
Old June 8th 09, 06:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

Stan Hilliard wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:58:13 -0600, "Donald"
wrote:
You can make sure all your computers are with the IP address in the same subnet so they will be able to see each other no matter how many are online. subnet

I don't think I have a subnet. Could that be my problem?
Stan Hilliard

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ...
I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard



You have a subnet. See Steve Winograd's post for an explanation of what
is most likely going on.

You need to do some homework. Start he
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/sear...owser+election
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005...d-browser.html

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  #32  
Old June 8th 09, 06:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:58:13 -0600, "Donald"
wrote:
You can make sure all your computers are with the IP address in the same subnet so they will be able to see each other no matter how many are online. subnet

I don't think I have a subnet. Could that be my problem?
Stan Hilliard

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ...
I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard


  #33  
Old June 8th 09, 06:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:58:13 -0600, "Donald"
wrote:
You can make sure all your computers are with the IP address in the same subnet so they will be able to see each other no matter how many are online. subnet

I don't think I have a subnet. Could that be my problem?
Stan Hilliard

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message ...
I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard


  #34  
Old June 8th 09, 06:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

I inserted messages below.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]"
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard


Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".


Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser?

This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time
troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble.


A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD
on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time.
Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be
connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would
like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the
laptop.

Here are two ways to access another computer without using network
browsing:

1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in
this format, and click OK:

\\computer


I tried that and it worked.

2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the
location of the item as:

\\computer


I have done that and it works.
  #35  
Old June 8th 09, 06:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

I inserted messages below.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]"
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard


Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".


Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser?

This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time
troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble.


A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD
on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time.
Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be
connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would
like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the
laptop.

Here are two ways to access another computer without using network
browsing:

1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in
this format, and click OK:

\\computer


I tried that and it worked.

2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the
location of the item as:

\\computer


I have done that and it works.
  #36  
Old June 8th 09, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
GbH
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.


"Stan Hilliard" wrote in
message ...
I inserted messages below.

Stan Hilliard


Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".



Stan,
My knowledge in this area is very limited, so much so perhaps I should
keep my trap shut.
But sometimes another pair of eyes?

Its been suggested you should have the router as the DHCP for your
network.
Is it on and so configured before you boot your separate computers?
Is each of the computers configured to get IP automatically? Especially
the 98?

My 2p?

--
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remember the darn question


  #37  
Old June 8th 09, 08:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
GbH
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.


"Stan Hilliard" wrote in
message ...
I inserted messages below.

Stan Hilliard


Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".



Stan,
My knowledge in this area is very limited, so much so perhaps I should
keep my trap shut.
But sometimes another pair of eyes?

Its been suggested you should have the router as the DHCP for your
network.
Is it on and so configured before you boot your separate computers?
Is each of the computers configured to get IP automatically? Especially
the 98?

My 2p?

--
Wisdom and experience come with age, they say, but I wish I could
remember the darn question


  #38  
Old June 9th 09, 03:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Randem
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

If the routers IP adsdress is 192.168.1.1 you reported that the Win98 PC was
the same. How can that be?

--
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"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:08:27 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:
What is your routers IP address? Normally it is 192.168.1.1 but you have
your Win98 computer setup for that address.


The router's IP address is 192.168.1.1

The Win98SE computer's [Network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[IP address] = "Obtain an IP address automatically."

Don't run DHCP or DNS on the
Win98 computer that should only be active on the router.


The Win98SE computer's [network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[DNS Configuration] = "Disable DNS"

The only mention I see of DHCP in the Win98SE computer's [Network]
[TCP/IP] [Properties] are as follows:
[WINS Configuration] = "Use DHCP for WINS Resolution"



  #39  
Old June 9th 09, 03:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Randem
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

If the routers IP adsdress is 192.168.1.1 you reported that the Win98 PC was
the same. How can that be?

--
Randem Systems
Your Installation Specialist
The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
http://www.randem.com/discus/message...tml?1236319938



"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:08:27 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:
What is your routers IP address? Normally it is 192.168.1.1 but you have
your Win98 computer setup for that address.


The router's IP address is 192.168.1.1

The Win98SE computer's [Network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[IP address] = "Obtain an IP address automatically."

Don't run DHCP or DNS on the
Win98 computer that should only be active on the router.


The Win98SE computer's [network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[DNS Configuration] = "Disable DNS"

The only mention I see of DHCP in the Win98SE computer's [Network]
[TCP/IP] [Properties] are as follows:
[WINS Configuration] = "Use DHCP for WINS Resolution"



  #40  
Old June 9th 09, 03:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Randem
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Posts: 884
Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now?

--
Randem Systems
Your Installation Specialist
The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
http://www.randem.com/discus/message...tml?1236319938



"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
...
I inserted messages below.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]"
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard


Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".


Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser?

This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time
troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble.


A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD
on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time.
Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be
connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would
like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the
laptop.

Here are two ways to access another computer without using network
browsing:

1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in
this format, and click OK:

\\computer


I tried that and it worked.

2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the
location of the item as:

\\computer


I have done that and it works.



  #41  
Old June 9th 09, 03:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Randem
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Posts: 884
Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now?

--
Randem Systems
Your Installation Specialist
The Top Inno Setup Script Generator
http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart
http://www.randem.com/discus/message...tml?1236319938



"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
...
I inserted messages below.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]"
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard


Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".


Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser?

This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time
troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble.


A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD
on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time.
Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be
connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would
like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the
laptop.

Here are two ways to access another computer without using network
browsing:

1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in
this format, and click OK:

\\computer


I tried that and it worked.

2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the
location of the item as:

\\computer


I have done that and it works.



  #42  
Old June 12th 09, 07:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Posts: 200
Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:32:56 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:

If the routers IP adsdress is 192.168.1.1 you reported that the Win98 PC was
the same. How can that be?



As I look back at the IPconfig result that I posted above at 6/08/09
12:19 AM, I misinterpreted the it. The 192.168.1.1 was actually the
DSN server. The Win98SE computer was 192.168.1.3
Stan Hilliard


"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:08:27 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:
What is your routers IP address? Normally it is 192.168.1.1 but you have
your Win98 computer setup for that address.


The router's IP address is 192.168.1.1

The Win98SE computer's [Network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[IP address] = "Obtain an IP address automatically."

Don't run DHCP or DNS on the
Win98 computer that should only be active on the router.


The Win98SE computer's [network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[DNS Configuration] = "Disable DNS"

The only mention I see of DHCP in the Win98SE computer's [Network]
[TCP/IP] [Properties] are as follows:
[WINS Configuration] = "Use DHCP for WINS Resolution"



  #43  
Old June 12th 09, 07:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Posts: 200
Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:32:56 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:

If the routers IP adsdress is 192.168.1.1 you reported that the Win98 PC was
the same. How can that be?



As I look back at the IPconfig result that I posted above at 6/08/09
12:19 AM, I misinterpreted the it. The 192.168.1.1 was actually the
DSN server. The Win98SE computer was 192.168.1.3
Stan Hilliard


"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:08:27 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:
What is your routers IP address? Normally it is 192.168.1.1 but you have
your Win98 computer setup for that address.


The router's IP address is 192.168.1.1

The Win98SE computer's [Network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[IP address] = "Obtain an IP address automatically."

Don't run DHCP or DNS on the
Win98 computer that should only be active on the router.


The Win98SE computer's [network] [TCP/IP] [Properties] are/were set as
follows:
[DNS Configuration] = "Disable DNS"

The only mention I see of DHCP in the Win98SE computer's [Network]
[TCP/IP] [Properties] are as follows:
[WINS Configuration] = "Use DHCP for WINS Resolution"



  #44  
Old June 13th 09, 04:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Posts: 200
Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

"Stan Hilliard" wrote in message
.. .
I inserted messages below.

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]"
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard

Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".


Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser?

This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time
troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble.


A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD
on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time.
Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be
connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would
like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the
laptop.

Here are two ways to access another computer without using network
browsing:

1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in
this format, and click OK:

\\computer


I tried that and it worked.

2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the
location of the item as:

\\computer


I have done that and it works.


On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:
Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now?


After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the
laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain
why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the
laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser
thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role.
But they did not so far.

Here are the other settings:

Laptop: XP-Home:
ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral
Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled

Win98SE:
In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
Browser Master = Automatic

XP-Pro:
ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral
Startup Type is Automatic

Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network
Neighborhood will work again?

Stan Hilliard
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Old June 13th 09, 04:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web
Stan Hilliard
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Default Ethernet network won't work without third (wireless) computer.

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On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:07:54 -0600, "Steve Winograd [MS-MVP]"
wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 22:02:08 -0500, Stan Hilliard
wrote:

I have three PCs on a home network. OSs are XP-Pro-SP2 connected by
Ethernet to Win98SE, and by wireless, XP-Home-SP3 on a Laptop.

Question -- Why can't the two Ethernet-connected PCs see each other
unless the laptop is also on with the wireless connection established?

Here is the hardware configuration:
Comcast cable to Motorola SB5120 Surfboard cable modem.
Ethernet: Modem to Win98 PC.
Ethernet: Win98PC to Netgear WNR2000 wireless router.
Ethernet: Netgear WNR2000 to XP-Pro-SP2.
Wireless: Netgear WNR2000 to Netgear Adapter WN511B on XP-Home laptop.

Using windows explorer, the two Ethernet-connected PCs cannot see each
other unless the laptop is on and connected by wireless. Then all
three computers see each other in explorer. When I break the wireless
connection to the laptop the Ethernet connected PCs again cannot see
each other.

Why is the laptop necessary for the Ethernet network to work? How can
I change this situation?

Stan Hilliard

Network browsing in Network Neighborhood and My Network Places depends
on having one computer, designated as the "master browser", keep track
of the computers and respond to browsing requests from other
computers. If that computer leaves the network, the other computers
are supposed to notice and elect another computer as the "master
browser".


Is there a way to specify which computer is the master browser?

This process is inherently unreliable. You can spend a lot of time
troubleshooting it, but I don't think it's worth the trouble.


A while back I tried to use Acronis 9.1 to backup my Win98SE to a HDD
on the XP-Pro computer. I couldn't make the connection at that time.
Perhaps it will work now that I know that the XP-Home Laptop has to be
connected in order to connect the other two computers. But I would
like to be able to make that connection not depend on having the
laptop.

Here are two ways to access another computer without using network
browsing:

1. Click Start Run, type the other computer's name in "Open" box in
this format, and click OK:

\\computer


I tried that and it worked.

2. Create a desktop shortcut to the other computer, specifying the
location of the item as:

\\computer


I have done that and it works.


On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:43:12 -1000, "Randem"
wrote:
Now that that all worked what is the actual problem you are having now?


After doing some homework I was able to identify the fact that the
laptop with XP-Home contained the master browser. This would explain
why Network Neighborhood stopped working when I disconnected the
laptop. I tried to fix this by disabling the laptop's master browser
thinking that one of the other computers would take over that role.
But they did not so far.

Here are the other settings:

Laptop: XP-Home:
ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral
Startup Type: I changed Automatic to Disabled

Win98SE:
In File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
Browser Master = Automatic

XP-Pro:
ProgramsAdministrative ToolsServicesComputer BrowserGeneral
Startup Type is Automatic

Q -- How can I make XP-Pro computer a master browser so that Network
Neighborhood will work again?

Stan Hilliard
 




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