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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
(PeteCresswell) wrote on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:59:21 -0400:
Speaking as one who doesn't know a lot about operating systems - buy who has a teenager beating on their PCs every day after school for a couple hours.... I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03) |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
(PeteCresswell) wrote on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:59:21 -0400:
Speaking as one who doesn't know a lot about operating systems - buy who has a teenager beating on their PCs every day after school for a couple hours.... I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03) |
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(PeteCresswell) wrote on Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:59:21 -0400:
Speaking as one who doesn't know a lot about operating systems - buy who has a teenager beating on their PCs every day after school for a couple hours.... I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. -- Bill Asus EEE PC 702G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC Xandros Linux (build 2007-10-19 13:03) |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:47 -0700 (PDT), Penang
wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. Are you talking about how long it takes to boot, rather than its speed in doing things after booting? I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry Ugh! That's much more likely to exacerbate the problem than to fix it. Here's my standard post on the subject: Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have. Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? First reply to my question above and tell us whether the machine is slow, or just slow in booting. Also, what anti-virus and anti-spyware programs do you run? Are they up date? Have they ever found infections? When? What infections did they find? How many infections did you have? -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:47 -0700 (PDT), Penang
wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. Are you talking about how long it takes to boot, rather than its speed in doing things after booting? I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry Ugh! That's much more likely to exacerbate the problem than to fix it. Here's my standard post on the subject: Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have. Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? First reply to my question above and tell us whether the machine is slow, or just slow in booting. Also, what anti-virus and anti-spyware programs do you run? Are they up date? Have they ever found infections? When? What infections did they find? How many infections did you have? -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:47 -0700 (PDT), Penang wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. Are you talking about how long it takes to boot, rather than its speed in doing things after booting? I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry Ugh! That's much more likely to exacerbate the problem than to fix it. Here's my standard post on the subject: Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you. The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit it may have. Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? First reply to my question above and tell us whether the machine is slow, or just slow in booting. Also, what anti-virus and anti-spyware programs do you run? Are they up date? Have they ever found infections? When? What infections did they find? How many infections did you have? -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
Here's a semi-random suggestion:
Does anything of interest appear in Even Viewer? Sometimes a process or service that isn't loading properly can lead to a long boot time. "Penang" wrote in message ... Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
Here's a semi-random suggestion:
Does anything of interest appear in Even Viewer? Sometimes a process or service that isn't loading properly can lead to a long boot time. "Penang" wrote in message ... Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
Here's a semi-random suggestion:
Does anything of interest appear in Even Viewer? Sometimes a process or service that isn't loading properly can lead to a long boot time. "Penang" wrote in message ... Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
You didn't answer this part:
What antivirus program or suite do you use? Do you have it automatically update and perhaps scan your drive each time you boot up? Assuming you have no malware and since your performance is fine (other than the first five minutes), it seems likely that your antivirus program/suite is configured to automatically update and perhaps scan your drive each time you boot up. Is this something you can live with? Penang wrote: RAM = 4GB HD 1 = 640GB HD 2 = 1TB HD mostly empty, though. XP Pro. Once the 5 minutes it takes to get past the cold boot (and get everything ready), performance is okay. Malware wise, I've scanned and re-scanned the computer with all types of malware scanners. So I think all the malware (at least most of them) have been eliminated. On Oct 17, 4:25 pm, "Daave" wrote: Penang wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? How much RAM do you currently have? How large is your hard drive and how much free space is on it? XP Home, Pro, or MCE? Service Pack level? Once the five minutes pass and "everything [is] back in shape," how is the performance? What antivirus program or suite do you use? Do you have it automatically update and perhaps scan your drive each time you boot up? FWIW, "cleaning" and "defragmenting" the registry won't boost your performance. And you need to be careful; there have been numerous people who have used these registry "cleaning" products only to find they are left with a PC that doesn't boot! Here are the typical causes of sluggishness: 1. Malicious software (malware). You need to rule this out first! This page has excellent information: http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...iruses_Malware 2. Certain programs that are designed to combat malware (e.g., Norton and McAfee). Ironically, they can slow things down because they simply use way too many resources. Sometime they cause conflicts with other programs. And their default mode is to scan your entire hard drive each time you boot up. Fortunately, there are other antimalware programs available that use far fewer resources (e.g., NOD32, Avast, and Avira). 3. Too many of certain types of programs always running in the background -- with or without your knowledge. (Then again, many programs that run in the background have trivial consequences.) To determine every program and process you are currently running, use the Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and click the Processes tab. You should be able to sort by CPU usage or Memory usage to get a good ideas which ones are the resource/memory hogs. You should write down the names of all the processes for future detective work (or take a snapshot and print it out). Use these sites to determine what these programs are and to learn how to configure them not to always run at startup: http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup...s/tasklist.htm Sometimes it is recommended to use msconfig to configure the programs to not run at startup. A better, more thorough program is Autoruns: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx But before you do this, you should use the preference settings of the program in question. Otherwise, for some programs, they will return to the startup list anyway! If you do wish to use msconfig, it may be accessed this way: Start | Run | type "msconfig" (without the quotation marks) | Enter (or OK) 4. Not enough RAM, which causes the PC to overly rely on the pagefile. A quick way to determine if this is happening is to open Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and click the Performance tab. Then note the three values under Commit Charge (K): in the lower left-hand corner: Total, Limit, and Peak. The Total figure represents the amount of memory you are using at that very moment. The Peak figure represents the highest amount of memory you used since last bootup. If both these figures are below the value of Physical Memory (K) Total, then you probably have plenty of RAM. In case you want to explore this further, you may run Page File Monitor for Windows XP: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm 5. You might also want to check that your hard drive's access mode didn't change from DMA to PIO: http://www.technize.com/2007/08/02/i...dvd-drives-too... and http://users.bigpond.net.au/ninjaduc...duck/udma_fix/ |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
You didn't answer this part:
What antivirus program or suite do you use? Do you have it automatically update and perhaps scan your drive each time you boot up? Assuming you have no malware and since your performance is fine (other than the first five minutes), it seems likely that your antivirus program/suite is configured to automatically update and perhaps scan your drive each time you boot up. Is this something you can live with? Penang wrote: RAM = 4GB HD 1 = 640GB HD 2 = 1TB HD mostly empty, though. XP Pro. Once the 5 minutes it takes to get past the cold boot (and get everything ready), performance is okay. Malware wise, I've scanned and re-scanned the computer with all types of malware scanners. So I think all the malware (at least most of them) have been eliminated. On Oct 17, 4:25 pm, "Daave" wrote: Penang wrote: Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? How much RAM do you currently have? How large is your hard drive and how much free space is on it? XP Home, Pro, or MCE? Service Pack level? Once the five minutes pass and "everything [is] back in shape," how is the performance? What antivirus program or suite do you use? Do you have it automatically update and perhaps scan your drive each time you boot up? FWIW, "cleaning" and "defragmenting" the registry won't boost your performance. And you need to be careful; there have been numerous people who have used these registry "cleaning" products only to find they are left with a PC that doesn't boot! Here are the typical causes of sluggishness: 1. Malicious software (malware). You need to rule this out first! This page has excellent information: http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/...iruses_Malware 2. Certain programs that are designed to combat malware (e.g., Norton and McAfee). Ironically, they can slow things down because they simply use way too many resources. Sometime they cause conflicts with other programs. And their default mode is to scan your entire hard drive each time you boot up. Fortunately, there are other antimalware programs available that use far fewer resources (e.g., NOD32, Avast, and Avira). 3. Too many of certain types of programs always running in the background -- with or without your knowledge. (Then again, many programs that run in the background have trivial consequences.) To determine every program and process you are currently running, use the Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and click the Processes tab. You should be able to sort by CPU usage or Memory usage to get a good ideas which ones are the resource/memory hogs. You should write down the names of all the processes for future detective work (or take a snapshot and print it out). Use these sites to determine what these programs are and to learn how to configure them not to always run at startup: http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup...s/tasklist.htm Sometimes it is recommended to use msconfig to configure the programs to not run at startup. A better, more thorough program is Autoruns: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb963902.aspx But before you do this, you should use the preference settings of the program in question. Otherwise, for some programs, they will return to the startup list anyway! If you do wish to use msconfig, it may be accessed this way: Start | Run | type "msconfig" (without the quotation marks) | Enter (or OK) 4. Not enough RAM, which causes the PC to overly rely on the pagefile. A quick way to determine if this is happening is to open Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) and click the Performance tab. Then note the three values under Commit Charge (K): in the lower left-hand corner: Total, Limit, and Peak. The Total figure represents the amount of memory you are using at that very moment. The Peak figure represents the highest amount of memory you used since last bootup. If both these figures are below the value of Physical Memory (K) Total, then you probably have plenty of RAM. In case you want to explore this further, you may run Page File Monitor for Windows XP: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm 5. You might also want to check that your hard drive's access mode didn't change from DMA to PIO: http://www.technize.com/2007/08/02/i...dvd-drives-too... and http://users.bigpond.net.au/ninjaduc...duck/udma_fix/ |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? Format and do a clean install, or spend the next 6 or 7 months trying everyones' suggestions. |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
Penang wrote:
Even on cold boot it takes more than 5 minutes for XP to get everything back in shape, ready to be used. I have tried everything, from defragmenting the HD to "cleaning" the registry to even defragmenting the registry, and it's STILL so slow. Software wise, I don't use too many. Just the typical office thingy, that's all. What else should I do to speed up my XP machine --- a 4-core CPU with 4GB of RAM ? Format and do a clean install, or spend the next 6 or 7 months trying everyones' suggestions. |
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BillW50 wrote:
I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. Ya, just by copying them where you want them, I have nothing in My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on, I save everything mostly to my F:\ Drive Heck, Tweak UI will change the directories "My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on" to anywhere you want your stuff saved. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/D...powertoys.mspx -If your not running XP, each Windows OS has it's own powertoys, and version of Tweak UI- -- Find Waldo http://tinyurl.com/yj8ds74 |
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XP is getting to excruciatingly slow !!
BillW50 wrote:
I have become comfortable with imaging my systems right after a build. This takes about 20 minutes - but presupposes the discipline of not ever keeping "data" on C:. I keep "data" on a separate "D:" drive always. There are dozens of utilities that do this. Mine is called Terabyte and cost about 20 bucks... You can do this for free. Lots of them actually. Ya, just by copying them where you want them, I have nothing in My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on, I save everything mostly to my F:\ Drive Heck, Tweak UI will change the directories "My Documents, Pictures, Music and so on" to anywhere you want your stuff saved. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/D...powertoys.mspx -If your not running XP, each Windows OS has it's own powertoys, and version of Tweak UI- -- Find Waldo http://tinyurl.com/yj8ds74 |
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