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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
One thing I like on windows 8, more than what I saw on win 8.1, is the possibilty to install a third-party start. If you have windows 8.1, you must use metro. But that's theory. I think it doesn't work as well as original microsoft start menu. ????? I must be misunderstanding your post. I promptly installed Classic Shell on 8 & then 8.1. If you were to walk into my home office you literally could not tell that I was running Windows 8.1. Am I missing something? |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
On 01/12/2014 09:02 PM, Rich wrote:
One thing I like on windows 8, more than what I saw on win 8.1, is the possibilty to install a third-party start. If you have windows 8.1, you must use metro. But that's theory. I think it doesn't work as well as original microsoft start menu. ????? I must be misunderstanding your post. I promptly installed Classic Shell on 8 & then 8.1. If you were to walk into my home office you literally could not tell that I was running Windows 8.1. Am I missing something? And I bought Startisback http://www.startisback.com/on 8.1 and it works too. $2.99 can't break the bank! |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:23:37 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: BillW50 wrote: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/th...hip-april-2015 Sounds like the Start button is coming back. And it will allow running Metro apps on the desktop. So users get a service pack 2 that gets renamed as a major version just No, read the article. The major version (according to the article) will be in April *2015*, but service pack 2 (if you want to call it that) will be in April *2014.* But it remains to be seen whether any of what he says will be true. Such rumors seldom are. Until the company writes a Functional Specification detailing what *is* the product (versus the Engineering Spec written later on how to *do* all those features), rapid course changes are typical with the influence of Marketing and Sales on Development. In QA, we didn't bother wasting any resource until the Func Spec showed up. The poor dev guys weren't so lucky: spend time writing code, debugging, and documenting features that suddenly were discarded because Mtg wanted something else. We use to sit in on the meetings between Dev and Mkg (and sometimes Sales) but kept our mouth shut and never participated. We just wanted a heads up on what *might* happen with the product. |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:23:37 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: BillW50 wrote: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/th...hip-april-2015 Sounds like the Start button is coming back. And it will allow running Metro apps on the desktop. So users get a service pack 2 that gets renamed as a major version just : No, read the article. The major version (according to the article) will be in April *2015*, but service pack 2 (if you want to call it that) will be in April *2014.* : But it remains to be seen whether any of what he says will be true. Such rumors seldom are. ____________________ According to the Register MS "will start a discussion", in 2-4 April. Too many versions of information on the topic...- "Microsoft will start a discussion around the next iteration of its client operating system at its Build Conference on 2 to 4 April in San Francisco, California." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01...say_microsoft/ But... "Paul Thurrott: Threshold is Windows 9 and Will Ship in April 2015" "According to Paul Thurrott, the next version of Windows, codenamed Threshold, will be called Windows 9 and is being planned to ship in April of 2015. Thurrott is plugged in tightly to the Windows and Microsoft scenes and is blogging this on his blog, the Windows SuperSite. He also states that internally Microsoft is not pleased with the adoption of Windows 8 and is looking to wipe the slate clean with a new version number of Windows to erase the stain. Much like it needed to do after the Windows Vista debacle." http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/01...in-april-2015/ |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:23:37 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: BillW50 wrote: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/th...hip-april-2015 Sounds like the Start button is coming back. And it will allow running Metro apps on the desktop. So users get a service pack 2 that gets renamed as a major version just : No, read the article. The major version (according to the article) will be in April *2015*, but service pack 2 (if you want to call it that) will be in April *2014.* : But it remains to be seen whether any of what he says will be true. Such rumors seldom are. ____________________ According to the Register MS "will start a discussion", in 2-4 April. Too many versions of information on the topic...- "Microsoft will start a discussion around the next iteration of its client operating system at its Build Conference on 2 to 4 April in San Francisco, California." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01...say_microsoft/ But... "Paul Thurrott: Threshold is Windows 9 and Will Ship in April 2015" "According to Paul Thurrott, the next version of Windows, codenamed Threshold, will be called Windows 9 and is being planned to ship in April of 2015. Thurrott is plugged in tightly to the Windows and Microsoft scenes and is blogging this on his blog, the Windows SuperSite. He also states that internally Microsoft is not pleased with the adoption of Windows 8 and is looking to wipe the slate clean with a new version number of Windows to erase the stain. Much like it needed to do after the Windows Vista debacle." http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/01...in-april-2015/ |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:23:37 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: BillW50 wrote: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/th...hip-april-2015 Sounds like the Start button is coming back. And it will allow running Metro apps on the desktop. So users get a service pack 2 that gets renamed as a major version just : No, read the article. The major version (according to the article) will be in April *2015*, but service pack 2 (if you want to call it that) will be in April *2014.* : But it remains to be seen whether any of what he says will be true. Such rumors seldom are. ____________________ According to the Register MS "will start a discussion", in 2-4 April. Too many versions of information on the topic...- "Microsoft will start a discussion around the next iteration of its client operating system at its Build Conference on 2 to 4 April in San Francisco, California." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01...say_microsoft/ But... "Paul Thurrott: Threshold is Windows 9 and Will Ship in April 2015" "According to Paul Thurrott, the next version of Windows, codenamed Threshold, will be called Windows 9 and is being planned to ship in April of 2015. Thurrott is plugged in tightly to the Windows and Microsoft scenes and is blogging this on his blog, the Windows SuperSite. He also states that internally Microsoft is not pleased with the adoption of Windows 8 and is looking to wipe the slate clean with a new version number of Windows to erase the stain. Much like it needed to do after the Windows Vista debacle." http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/01...in-april-2015/ |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:02:10 -0700, "Rich" wrote:
One thing I like on windows 8, more than what I saw on win 8.1, is the possibilty to install a third-party start. If you have windows 8.1, you must use metro. But that's theory. I think it doesn't work as well as original microsoft start menu. ????? I must be misunderstanding your post. I promptly installed Classic Shell on 8 & then 8.1. If you were to walk into my home office you literally could not tell that I was running Windows 8.1. Am I missing something? Yes, you're missing something. vbg His "If you have windows 8.1, you must use metro" is completely wrong. |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"Forte" wrote in message ...
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:23:37 -0600, VanguardLH wrote: BillW50 wrote: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/th...hip-april-2015 Sounds like the Start button is coming back. And it will allow running Metro apps on the desktop. So users get a service pack 2 that gets renamed as a major version just : No, read the article. The major version (according to the article) will be in April *2015*, but service pack 2 (if you want to call it that) will be in April *2014.* : But it remains to be seen whether any of what he says will be true. Such rumors seldom are. ____________________ According to the Register MS "will start a discussion", in 2-4 April. Too many versions of information on the topic...- "Microsoft will start a discussion around the next iteration of its client operating system at its Build Conference on 2 to 4 April in San Francisco, California." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01...say_microsoft/ But... "Paul Thurrott: Threshold is Windows 9 and Will Ship in April 2015" "According to Paul Thurrott, the next version of Windows, codenamed Threshold, will be called Windows 9 and is being planned to ship in April of 2015. Thurrott is plugged in tightly to the Windows and Microsoft scenes and is blogging this on his blog, the Windows SuperSite. He also states that internally Microsoft is not pleased with the adoption of Windows 8 and is looking to wipe the slate clean with a new version number of Windows to erase the stain. Much like it needed to do after the Windows Vista debacle." http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/01...in-april-2015/ Meanwhile, Windows 8 truly isn't so bad. I'm just hoping that Microsoft will invite me to beta-test it this time around. I tested Vista as well as 7 but wasn't invited for the 8 (probably because I changed my email address and assumed they would update their database) -- Silver Slimer GNU/Linux is Communism and should be renamed Communix |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:44:45 -0500, "Silver Slimer"
wrote: Meanwhile, Windows 8 truly isn't so bad. I don't think so either, but you and I are clearly in the minority. I'm just hoping that Microsoft will invite me to beta-test it this time around. Beta-test *it*? Windows 8? You want to beta test *it* again? Or do you mean Windows 9, or whatever it ends up being called? |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
... Beta-test *it*? Windows 8? You want to beta test *it* again? Or do you mean Windows 9, or whatever it ends up being called? What I'm saying is that I would have been honoured to beta-test Windows 8 even though that's no longer possible. However, I am hoping to be invited to the testing for 9. If they're willing to take some of my suggestions as a long-time DOS/Windows 3.x/9x/etc. user, I think we could build one hell of a perfect operating system. -- Silver Slimer GNU/Linux is Communism Participate in the global economy, buy quality software |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
Silver Slimer wrote, On 1/13/2014 8:13 PM:
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Beta-test *it*? Windows 8? You want to beta test *it* again? Or do you mean Windows 9, or whatever it ends up being called? What I'm saying is that I would have been honoured to beta-test Windows 8 even though that's no longer possible. However, I am hoping to be invited to the testing for 9. If they're willing to take some of my suggestions as a long-time DOS/Windows 3.x/9x/etc. user, I think we could build one hell of a perfect operating system. Beta Testing is a dead initiative. Expect the same route as Win8. The oobe telemetry and forums will be the feedback route. MSFT learned long ago that their model for beta testing skewed the results due to testers soliciting agreement from other testers - i.e. feedback by popularity vs. feedback by validation. The release system path, imo, will follow the past Developer Preview Consumer Preview Release Preview Fyi...for anyone reading this and still using a Preview build...all (3)expire tomorrow. -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
... On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:44:45 -0500, "Silver Slimer" wrote: Meanwhile, Windows 8 truly isn't so bad. I don't think so either, but you and I are clearly in the minority. Add me to the group. Call me crazy but I quite like Windows 8. I didn't think I would but I tried it and have never regretted the upgrade for a moment. I'm just hoping that Microsoft will invite me to beta-test it this time around. Beta-test *it*? Windows 8? You want to beta test *it* again? Or do you mean Windows 9, or whatever it ends up being called? |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
"...winston" wrote in message ...
Beta Testing is a dead initiative. Expect the same route as Win8. The oobe telemetry and forums will be the feedback route. MSFT learned long ago that their model for beta testing skewed the results due to testers soliciting agreement from other testers - i.e. feedback by popularity vs. feedback by validation. The release system path, imo, will follow the past Developer Preview Consumer Preview Release Preview Fyi...for anyone reading this and still using a Preview build...all (3)expire tomorrow. So you're suggesting that there was no beta-testing whatsoever for Windows 8 and that I wasn't actually left out but that Microsoft simply took a different path? -- Silver Slimer GNU/Linux is Communism Participate in the global economy, buy quality software |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
Silver Slimer wrote, On 1/14/2014 9:14 AM:
"...winston" wrote in message ... Beta Testing is a dead initiative. Expect the same route as Win8. The oobe telemetry and forums will be the feedback route. MSFT learned long ago that their model for beta testing skewed the results due to testers soliciting agreement from other testers - i.e. feedback by popularity vs. feedback by validation. The release system path, imo, will follow the past Developer Preview Consumer Preview Release Preview Fyi...for anyone reading this and still using a Preview build...all (3)expire tomorrow. So you're suggesting that there was no beta-testing whatsoever for Windows 8 and that I wasn't actually left out but that Microsoft simply took a different path? Correct...Unless you were specifically invited by internal sources for testing the bits *and* prior to each 'Preview' release to the public. - i.e. very small sample size, developer and partner related Thus, as noted...no beta, no beta feedback forum, etc. - phone home telemetry for the most part handles manual feedback. Second, and probably of equal importance - a larger beta sample size doesn't necessarily shift the probability, correlation, confidence interval and error since all it would just provide duplicate and/or redundant data for the same incident when validated. From the public Preview end...since millions install the collected telemetry (enhanced during Preview vs. RTM) provides more data than is probably necessary (redundant validation without the risk of popularity/vote skewing distorting the data and learned from past betas) As an example...about 384 people are necessary to achieve a 5% margin of error with 95% Confidence Interval (same results 95% of the time) for 1 million or more people. MSFT easily has 384 employees, developers, partners on the planet - i.e. beta testers no longer necessary with better in-build telemetry (which has been more focused, accurate, improving since Vista). -- ...winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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"Threshold" to be Called Windows 9, Ship in April 2015
On 14/01/2014 10:31 PM, ...winston wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote, On 1/14/2014 9:14 AM: "...winston" wrote in message ... Beta Testing is a dead initiative. Expect the same route as Win8. The oobe telemetry and forums will be the feedback route. MSFT learned long ago that their model for beta testing skewed the results due to testers soliciting agreement from other testers - i.e. feedback by popularity vs. feedback by validation. The release system path, imo, will follow the past Developer Preview Consumer Preview Release Preview Fyi...for anyone reading this and still using a Preview build...all (3)expire tomorrow. So you're suggesting that there was no beta-testing whatsoever for Windows 8 and that I wasn't actually left out but that Microsoft simply took a different path? Correct...Unless you were specifically invited by internal sources for testing the bits *and* prior to each 'Preview' release to the public. - i.e. very small sample size, developer and partner related Thus, as noted...no beta, no beta feedback forum, etc. - phone home telemetry for the most part handles manual feedback. Second, and probably of equal importance - a larger beta sample size doesn't necessarily shift the probability, correlation, confidence interval and error since all it would just provide duplicate and/or redundant data for the same incident when validated. From the public Preview end...since millions install the collected telemetry (enhanced during Preview vs. RTM) provides more data than is probably necessary (redundant validation without the risk of popularity/vote skewing distorting the data and learned from past betas) As an example...about 384 people are necessary to achieve a 5% margin of error with 95% Confidence Interval (same results 95% of the time) for 1 million or more people. MSFT easily has 384 employees, developers, partners on the planet - i.e. beta testers no longer necessary with better in-build telemetry (which has been more focused, accurate, improving since Vista). I guess we did such an excellent job at making Windows 7 stable as hell that they simply don't need us anymore since every successive OS is based on the same underlying code. Damn us for being such excellent testers! -- Silver Slimer If you like the software, buy it. If it's free, donate. |
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