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Old June 6th 14, 08:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Boris[_4_]
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I've got lots of (large) .NET Framework updates in my Auto Update list. As
an 'average user', is there any reason to install them? I've only had one
application that required it when launched, so I didn't install the
application or the.NET update.

TIA
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Old June 6th 14, 04:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 06/06/2014 08:13, Boris wrote:
I've got lots of (large) .NET Framework updates in my Auto Update
list. As an 'average user', is there any reason to install them?
I've only had one application that required it when launched, so I
didn't install the application or the.NET update.

TIA


Frankly,. you don't need any updates - even those security updates which
Microsoft says are critical if you are careful with your computer and
don't visit the crack sites or get tempted to try cracks for certain
programs. I update my machine once every six months when I am doing
some house keeping on the machine. at that time I updates windows and
all Applications that I am using.

This said. you only get updates for what you already have on your
machine so if you are not using any of them why are they on your machine?

Finally, you don't need to install these updates until you need them.
Just disable them - I am assuming you are using custom install of
updates and NOT automatic install of updates.

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Old June 6th 14, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Boris wrote on 2014/06/06:

I've got lots of (large) .NET Framework updates in my Auto Update list. As
an 'average user', is there any reason to install them? I've only had one
application that required it when launched, so I didn't install the
application or the.NET update.


Do you have any programs that require the .NET libraries to be around?
Often you may not know because the author doesn't stipulate the
requirement, or you have to dig it up to find "system requirements". A
..NET-dependent app will expect a specific or minimal version of .NET.

The following article lists which .NET version is included (embedded)
with each version of Windows. You cannot uninstall the base version of
..NET versions that comes with the OS. Whether pre-installed or via a
redistributable, one or two prior versions are included to provide a
window of compatibility with older .NET-dependent apps.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/astebner/arc...of-the-os.aspx

Some installers will check if the .NET version they need is present and,
if not, either install it or tell you to get it. So while your OS
version has a base version of .NET 4.5, some app's installer might've
installed 2.x that it needs (which indicates you should check if there
is a later version of that app).

For Windows 8, just leave the 4.5 version there since it's considered an
OS component (and you might not find an add/remove entry to remove it,
anyway). The 3.5 SP1 version might be there for backward compatibility
with older programs. As mentioned in the article above, you could
remove it via Programs and Features; however, then any apps you have
that are specifically dependent on .NET 3.5 may not run. If you have so
little free disk space remaining that removing .NET 3.5 is under
consideration, you have other problems due to insufficient free disk
space so get those data files out of that disk partition.

If all those "auto" updates (which I'm assuming means those proposed by
the Windows Update) are for 4.5+ (or 3.5+ if you added that), then, yes,
get them. There can be a lot of individual updates before a service
pack shows up to roll them into one update.
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Old June 6th 14, 10:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
VanguardLH[_2_]
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By the way, if you go into the registry and go to:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\NET Framework Setup\NDP

how many .Net Framework versions are listed?
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Old June 9th 14, 06:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:58:47 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:


On 06/06/2014 08:13, Boris wrote:
I've got lots of (large) .NET Framework updates in my Auto Update
list. As an 'average user', is there any reason to install them?
I've only had one application that required it when launched, so I
didn't install the application or the.NET update.

TIA


Frankly,. you don't need any updates - even those security updates which
Microsoft says are critical if you are careful with your computer and
don't visit the crack sites or get tempted to try cracks for certain
programs. I update my machine once every six months when I am doing
some house keeping on the machine. at that time I updates windows and
all Applications that I am using.


I think most knowledgeable people would disagree with your advice above.

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Old June 9th 14, 01:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:58:47 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 06/06/2014 08:13, Boris wrote:
I've got lots of (large) .NET Framework updates in my Auto Update
list. As an 'average user', is there any reason to install them?
I've only had one application that required it when launched, so I
didn't install the application or the.NET update.

TIA

Frankly,. you don't need any updates - even those security updates which
Microsoft says are critical if you are careful with your computer and
don't visit the crack sites or get tempted to try cracks for certain
programs. I update my machine once every six months when I am doing
some house keeping on the machine. at that time I updates windows and
all Applications that I am using.


I think most knowledgeable people would disagree with your advice above.


If Boris wanted to economize, not loading new layers of
..NET is the best you can do. Once a certain level of
..NET is installed on the machine, it should be kept
up to date.

A .NET executable could be downloaded in place of a
normal PE32 application, and when the user double-clicks,
start to run. At which point, the security of the .NET
installation could be tested. I see no reason to be lazy
about keeping it updated. It would be a pretty weird user
who uses "clrver.exe" on every program they run, from
this site, as a means to "avoid .NET". Better to just
update the .NET and move on.

http://www.devfish.net/downloads.aspx

*******

I tried this for the first time, only a week or two ago.
I was surprised, how much work my current OS needed. Since
I use Windows Update and not Microsoft Update, none of
my Office player applications was up to date. It took
a ton of updated (15+) to actually bring everything
Office related up to date (and that's just for the
Office player applications).

"Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer"
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../cc184924.aspx

As a home user, that can show you how poor a job you're
doing of keeping the machine updated :-)

Paul


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Old June 10th 14, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 08:40:06 -0400, Paul wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:58:47 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 06/06/2014 08:13, Boris wrote:
I've got lots of (large) .NET Framework updates in my Auto Update
list. As an 'average user', is there any reason to install them?
I've only had one application that required it when launched, so I
didn't install the application or the.NET update.

TIA
Frankly,. you don't need any updates - even those security updates which
Microsoft says are critical if you are careful with your computer and
don't visit the crack sites or get tempted to try cracks for certain
programs. I update my machine once every six months when I am doing
some house keeping on the machine. at that time I updates windows and
all Applications that I am using.


I think most knowledgeable people would disagree with your advice above.


If Boris wanted to economize, not loading new layers of
.NET is the best you can do. Once a certain level of
.NET is installed on the machine, it should be kept
up to date.


Hi Paul, I fully agree with your advice regarding .Net. Install it if you
need it, but once it's installed, keep it updated.

The part I'm disagreeing with is Good Guy's advice, "Frankly,. you don't
need any updates - even those security updates which Microsoft says are
critical if you are careful with your computer and don't visit the crack
sites or get tempted to try cracks for certain programs.".

I forgot what his fascination with crack sites is, but those sites make up a
tiny percentage of the sites where a person can pick up malware, so his
advice is just awful when placed in the hands of someone who doesn't know
better.

 




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