Vimeo player

I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

Ken wrote:
I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I'm not a vimeo user, so I don't understand the nature
of your problem. In my ignorance, I can recommend a web browser
to play with.

http://www.srware.net/en/software_sr...n_download.php

To install Flash in it, you need the stub loader like "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe"

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Select Operating system = 7/Vista/XP
Version = PPAPI [a.k.a Pepperflash for Chromium]
Note: in the middle pane, disable the "free offer"

The resulting download should be "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe".
That appears to be what I used at the time.

*******

The regular Flash (NPAPI) for Firefox would be something like:

http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas...ash_player.exe

I use FlashBlock, and I'm not having very good luck with that right now.
Not that all the sites use it. Some wrap Flash in a "player",
that doesn't seem to work right.

You could use that, if Firefox lacked Flash.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimeo#Video_quality

"Uploaded HD videos were automatically converted
into 720/30p VP6 Flash video. Since August 2010,
all videos are encoded into H.264 for HTML5 support.
All videos uploaded before were re-encoded."

So it looks like maybe an HTML5 browser will work, without
installing Adobe Flash.

*******

To test your browsers, you can point them here and look for tick boxes.
This is to verify the HTML5 support. This page should
convince you the Iron browser is worth a shot. Firefox
may not have all six tick boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

To check the version of Flash, try this page.

http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

I sure hope vimeo doesn't have some other hoops to
jump through.

If you want help, post a link to the thing you
think should work, so I can play along with
my fleet of browsers.

HTH,
Paul

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:25:11 -0600, Ken wrote:

I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I don't remember having a problem (XP and Firefox) but I am not sure I
have looked at a Vimeo. Give us a link you are having a problem with.

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:25:11 -0600, Ken wrote:

I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I use youtube-dl to download and then watch them in VLC.
Don't like too many plugins in my browser.

http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:25:11 -0600, Ken wrote:

I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I don't remember having a problem (XP and Firefox) but I am not sure I
have looked at a Vimeo. Give us a link you are having a problem with.

https://vimeo.com/172852540 The link works fine on Win 10 and 7, but
not on XP. It could be the computer hardware, but there are other users
of XP that also had problems with Vimeo, so I guessed it might be the OS.

Paul wrote:
Ken wrote:
I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not
want to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP
view Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I
have not been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the
setup is not correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I
tried changing the resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure
what they are objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I'm not a vimeo user, so I don't understand the nature
of your problem. In my ignorance, I can recommend a web browser
to play with.

http://www.srware.net/en/software_sr...n_download.php

To install Flash in it, you need the stub loader like
"flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe"

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Select Operating system = 7/Vista/XP
Version = PPAPI [a.k.a Pepperflash for Chromium]
Note: in the middle pane, disable the "free offer"

The resulting download should be "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe".
That appears to be what I used at the time.

*******

The regular Flash (NPAPI) for Firefox would be something like:

http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas...ash_player.exe


I use FlashBlock, and I'm not having very good luck with that right now.
Not that all the sites use it. Some wrap Flash in a "player",
that doesn't seem to work right.

You could use that, if Firefox lacked Flash.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimeo#Video_quality

"Uploaded HD videos were automatically converted
into 720/30p VP6 Flash video. Since August 2010,
all videos are encoded into H.264 for HTML5 support.
All videos uploaded before were re-encoded."

So it looks like maybe an HTML5 browser will work, without
installing Adobe Flash.

*******

To test your browsers, you can point them here and look for tick boxes.
This is to verify the HTML5 support. This page should
convince you the Iron browser is worth a shot. Firefox
may not have all six tick boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

To check the version of Flash, try this page.

http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

I sure hope vimeo doesn't have some other hoops to
jump through.

If you want help, post a link to the thing you
think should work, so I can play along with
my fleet of browsers.

HTH,
Paul
I don't think it has anything to do with Flash, as I had Flash installed
on both computers (same version) and it worked on Flash files. I tried
SeaMonkey and IE and neither worked with XP. But worked with 7 & 10.

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 13:04:54 -0600, Ken wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:25:11 -0600, Ken wrote:

I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I don't remember having a problem (XP and Firefox) but I am not sure I
have looked at a Vimeo. Give us a link you are having a problem with.

https://vimeo.com/172852540 The link works fine on Win 10 and 7, but
not on XP. It could be the computer hardware, but there are other users
of XP that also had problems with Vimeo, so I guessed it might be the OS.

Works for me. It runs under Flash (assuming this was supposed to be a
moving pattern of lines)

Ken wrote:

https://vimeo.com/172852540 The link works fine on Win 10 and 7, but
not on XP. It could be the computer hardware, but there are other
users of XP that also had problems with Vimeo, so I guessed it might
be the OS.

You never identified the web browser used to visit the site. Still
using IE8 that comes bundled with and is the base version in Windows XP?
Have you upgraded to IE11? Less and less sites will support old
versions of web browsers (any of them) and IE11 is getting long in the
tooth. I did not bother to use IE11 (in Windows 7) to visit vimeo.com
as I use Firefox as my primary web browser, Google Chrome (clean = no
add-ons) as a backup and test web browser, and IE11 only gets used when
I'm forced to use it. If you want to continue web browsing into the
future then you should be looking at moving away from IE11. You'll find
lots of sites will reject connects from IE6. They started a few years
ago rejecting connects from IE8. Those old versions don't have the
functions the sites demand in a client. Some are starting to reject
IE11 and tell you to use a modern web browser, and it'll just get worse
over time.

Did you install any ad-block add-ons into the web browser (which you did
not mention)? I have two (ublock Origin and uMatrix) and no video plays
at vimeo.com because that content is off-domain. I use uMatrix instead
of NoScript to thwart the use of off-domain scripts, like for tracking,
ads, and other unwanted intent or content. I'm visiting the site, not
somewhere else. I like uMatrix better because it doesn't default to
globally permitting an off-domain resource when I want to allow it at
only one site, and creating an exclusion globally is easier with its GUI
for the add-on rather than have to figure out the syntax for a rule in
NoScript.

uBlock is more forgiving as to what it will block. They use blocklists
from other sources, like EasyList, EasyPrivacy, etc. While some users
are unaware, the EasyList blocklist got merged with the Fanboy
blocklists (EasyList, EasyPrivacy, Fanboy, Fanboy enhanced tracking)
back in May 2013. uBlock did not block vimeocdn.com but uMatrix did, as
would NoScript and other off-domain script blocking add-ons. If you are
still using IE then perhaps you subscribed to TPLs (Tracking Protection
Lists) and one, or more, of those are blocking the off-domain scripts.
Look at Internet Options - Programs - Manage add-ons button, Tracking
Protection category.

When I visit vimeo.com but the video content comes from vimeocdn.com
(CDN = content delivery network). Only after I tell uMatrix to
temporarily allow the off-domain scripts does the video then play. If I
was going to revisit there a lot then I would add an exclusion for that
site for that off-domain resource. Their video player is scripted. If
the scripts are blocked then the player won't work. If you want to see
the video, you need to enable the scripts (which may not be delivered
from their primary domain - the one you visited).

gfretwell wrote:

Works for me. It runs under Flash (assuming this was supposed to be a
moving pattern of lines)

How do you now that video is streamed Flash content? Did you
right-click on the video object and see the Flash context menu appear?
I don't. That video content is rendered using a scripted video player
(js-player). I have the Flash plug-in in Firefox configured to "Ask to
activate" which means Flash does not play unless I okay it. I don't get
prompted to allow Flash on that web page (even after allowing script
content from the vimeocdn.com domain).

Sometimes a web page will detect if the Flash plug-in is available in
the visiting client. If available, it uses that. If not, it will
switch to using HTML5 video (sometimes via Javascripted players). To
make my client look like the Flash plug-in was not available, I could
configured it to "Never activate". That hides the plug-in. The site
cannot query the client to find the plug-in. If I set to "Ask me to
activate" or "Always activate" then the site can see I have the Flash
plug-in, and the site can then use Flash. I set to "Always activate"
and Flash was still not presented. Just because there's shown a video
in a web page does not mandate the use of Flash.

Go to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ (and allow Flash if set
to "Ask to activate" or similar in your web browser). Right-click on
the Flash object. You'll see the Flash context menu. The easy way to
tell it's the Flash context menu (and not from the web browser) is that
there is an "About Adobe Flash Player" entry in the context menu. You
have to right-click on the Flash object while it is playing.

When I go to the vimeo URL provided, I get a page showing "Culebra.Java
Library | Multi Behaviors 3D Demo". Right-clicking on that video object
shows the web browser's context menu (which already tells me that it is
not a Flash video). Using the web browser's context menu to select
"Inspect element" shows me it is using the scripted js-player handler to
render the video. Lots of sites use scripted players (e.g.,
videojs.com, jplayer.org)

Ken wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ken wrote:
I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not
want to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP
view Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I
have not been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the
setup is not correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I
tried changing the resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure
what they are objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I'm not a vimeo user, so I don't understand the nature
of your problem. In my ignorance, I can recommend a web browser
to play with.

http://www.srware.net/en/software_sr...n_download.php

To install Flash in it, you need the stub loader like
"flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe"

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Select Operating system = 7/Vista/XP
Version = PPAPI [a.k.a Pepperflash for Chromium]
Note: in the middle pane, disable the "free offer"

The resulting download should be "flashplayer24pp_ha_install.exe".
That appears to be what I used at the time.

*******

The regular Flash (NPAPI) for Firefox would be something like:

http://fpdownload.adobe.com/get/flas...ash_player.exe



I use FlashBlock, and I'm not having very good luck with that right now.
Not that all the sites use it. Some wrap Flash in a "player",
that doesn't seem to work right.

You could use that, if Firefox lacked Flash.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimeo#Video_quality

"Uploaded HD videos were automatically converted
into 720/30p VP6 Flash video. Since August 2010,
all videos are encoded into H.264 for HTML5 support.
All videos uploaded before were re-encoded."

So it looks like maybe an HTML5 browser will work, without
installing Adobe Flash.

*******

To test your browsers, you can point them here and look for tick boxes.
This is to verify the HTML5 support. This page should
convince you the Iron browser is worth a shot. Firefox
may not have all six tick boxes.

https://www.youtube.com/html5

To check the version of Flash, try this page.

http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

I sure hope vimeo doesn't have some other hoops to
jump through.

If you want help, post a link to the thing you
think should work, so I can play along with
my fleet of browsers.

HTH,
Paul
I don't think it has anything to do with Flash, as I had Flash installed
on both computers (same version) and it worked on Flash files. I tried
SeaMonkey and IE and neither worked with XP. But worked with 7 & 10.

Plays in Iron. (Iron has Flash set up in it too.)

Seamonkey, I got a black box for the video.

I can't find any comments on "vimeo player container", and
there are no right-click options in the window to determine
delivered format.

Paul

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 13:04:54 -0600, Ken wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:25:11 -0600, Ken wrote:

I have an elderly stepmother who is using Windows XP, and I do not want
to enter a new operating system into her life. Can Windows XP view
Vimeo files on the web. I have a spare computer with XP and I have not
been able to get them to work. I get a message saying the setup is not
correct or some other error message like "Whoops." I tried changing the
resolution etc., but that has no effect. Not sure what they are
objecting to.

Those links work on Win 7 and 10. Any comments??

I don't remember having a problem (XP and Firefox) but I am not sure I
have looked at a Vimeo. Give us a link you are having a problem with.

https://vimeo.com/172852540 The link works fine on Win 10 and 7, but
not on XP. It could be the computer hardware, but there are other users
of XP that also had problems with Vimeo, so I guessed it might be the OS.


youtube-dl -F https://vimeo.com/172852

[info] Available formats for 172852540:

blah blah, lots of options. I was going to download the "best", which
would be:

youtube-dl -f dash-fastly_skyfire_sep-video-558450633
https://vimeo.com/172852

(wraps)

But it was too big (hundreds of MB)

So I settled for a "small" one:

youtube-dl -f http-540p https://vimeo.com/172852540
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading webpage
[vimeo] 172852540: Extracting information
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading webpage
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading JSON metadata
WARNING: Unable to download JSON metadata: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading fastly_skyfire m3u8 information
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading akfire_interconnect m3u8 information
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading fastly_skyfire MPD information
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading fastly_skyfire MPD information
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading akfire_interconnect MPD information
[vimeo] 172852540: Downloading akfire_interconnect MPD information
[download] Destination: Culebra.Java Library _ Multi Behaviors 3D
DemoFile-172852540.mp4
[download] 100% of 93.08MiB in 03:49

The -F flag queries what versions are available for download, and the
-f flag specifies what you want to download.

Your elderly stepmother is into some heavy Java coding. Is she
with the Scene ?

[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

VanguardLH wrote:
Ken wrote:

https://vimeo.com/172852540 The link works fine on Win 10 and 7, but
not on XP. It could be the computer hardware, but there are other
users of XP that also had problems with Vimeo, so I guessed it might
be the OS.

You never identified the web browser used to visit the site.

I tried SeaMonkey and IE

Still
using IE8 that comes bundled with and is the base version in Windows XP?
Have you upgraded to IE11? Less and less sites will support old
versions of web browsers (any of them) and IE11 is getting long in the
tooth. I did not bother to use IE11 (in Windows 7) to visit vimeo.com
as I use Firefox as my primary web browser, Google Chrome (clean = no
add-ons) as a backup and test web browser, and IE11 only gets used when
I'm forced to use it. If you want to continue web browsing into the
future then you should be looking at moving away from IE11. You'll find
lots of sites will reject connects from IE6. They started a few years
ago rejecting connects from IE8. Those old versions don't have the
functions the sites demand in a client. Some are starting to reject
IE11 and tell you to use a modern web browser, and it'll just get worse
over time.

Did you install any ad-block add-ons into the web browser (which you did
not mention)? I have two (ublock Origin and uMatrix) and no video plays
at vimeo.com because that content is off-domain. I use uMatrix instead
of NoScript to thwart the use of off-domain scripts, like for tracking,
ads, and other unwanted intent or content. I'm visiting the site, not
somewhere else. I like uMatrix better because it doesn't default to
globally permitting an off-domain resource when I want to allow it at
only one site, and creating an exclusion globally is easier with its GUI
for the add-on rather than have to figure out the syntax for a rule in
NoScript.

uBlock is more forgiving as to what it will block. They use blocklists
from other sources, like EasyList, EasyPrivacy, etc. While some users
are unaware, the EasyList blocklist got merged with the Fanboy
blocklists (EasyList, EasyPrivacy, Fanboy, Fanboy enhanced tracking)
back in May 2013. uBlock did not block vimeocdn.com but uMatrix did, as
would NoScript and other off-domain script blocking add-ons. If you are
still using IE then perhaps you subscribed to TPLs (Tracking Protection
Lists) and one, or more, of those are blocking the off-domain scripts.
Look at Internet Options - Programs - Manage add-ons button, Tracking
Protection category.

When I visit vimeo.com but the video content comes from vimeocdn.com
(CDN = content delivery network). Only after I tell uMatrix to
temporarily allow the off-domain scripts does the video then play. If I
was going to revisit there a lot then I would add an exclusion for that
site for that off-domain resource. Their video player is scripted. If
the scripts are blocked then the player won't work. If you want to see
the video, you need to enable the scripts (which may not be delivered
from their primary domain - the one you visited).

Ken wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Ken wrote:

https://vimeo.com/172852540 The link works fine on Win 10 and 7, but
not on XP. It could be the computer hardware, but there are other
users of XP that also had problems with Vimeo, so I guessed it might
be the OS.

You never identified the web browser used to visit the site.

I tried SeaMonkey and IE

Both of those support blocklists: Seamonkey (variant of Firefox) via
extensions, IE via TPLs. So the video doesn't appear for both of those
web browsers? Did you load those web browsers in their safe mode and
restest visiting the site with video?

Check if Javascript is enabled in your web browser by visiting:

https://www.whatismybrowser.com/dete...script-enabled

The scripted video player won't work if Javascript is disabled.

Is this the only place that videos won't play in those web browsers, or
does every site with video not play for you?

On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:31:47 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:


Works for me. It runs under Flash (assuming this was supposed to be a
moving pattern of lines)

How do you now that video is streamed Flash content?

Because I got the "do you want to activate flash" context and when I
did, the video started.
I normally do not let flash start and only if I say so.

gfretwell wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Works for me. It runs under Flash (assuming this was supposed to be a
moving pattern of lines)

How do you now that video is streamed Flash content?

Because I got the "do you want to activate flash" context and when I
did, the video started. I normally do not let flash start and only if
I say so.

What are you using to disable, by default, Flash content in web pages?
Firefox's own plugin modes have "Ask to activate" but you don't get a
prompt like you described. In the web page, you will see a camera icon
as a placeholder on which you click to to get a prompt to allow Flash
content, or you use the camera icon at the left end of the address bar
to click and then select Allow.

Ken said his grandma is using Internet Explorer and Seamonkey. Internet
Explorer has no built-in Flash blocker. Seamonkey has the same control
over plug-ins as does Firefox upon whose code Seamonkey is a variant.
So, again, what is generating the "do you want to activate flash" prompt
that you see? I bet you're using an extension aka add-on for that, like
NoScript or FlashBlock. Since those block scripts, the prompt is really
asking if you want to allow those off-domain scripts to run the
script-based player.

What you see in Firefox using its "Ask to activate" setting on Flash
content:
http://techdows.com/wp-content/uploa...ate-plugin.png
Click on icon as placehold in web page or address bar icon to allow or
allow and remember (add to site preferences).

What you see in Seamonkey for plug-in settings:
http://tinyurl.com/z3ykrc6
I don't see a drop-down list of whether you want the plug-in disabled
(Never activate), to prompt (Ask to activate), or to always allow (Never
ask).

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/

The dearth of documentation there means not knowing how plug-ins can be
configured. There's a lot about Seamonkey that they do not document.
Maybe they rely on Mozilla's documentation for Firefox.

Firefox's plug-in for Flash of "Ask to activate" does not generate a "do
you want to activate flash" prompt shown as a popup over the web page,
as a placeholder in the web page, or as an entry within the context
(right-click) menu. I cannot find appropriate information on how
Seamonkey handles Flash (other then a single option to enable or disable
the plug-in) or what it displays in its GUI but it is based on Firefox.

Oops, forgot that Internet Explorer does provide some user control over
Flash content. If you configure IE (Options - Safety - ActiveX
Filtering) then Flash won't play although the Flash ActiveX control is
installed in IE. You don't see anthing that clearly notes that Flash
content got blocked other than perhaps a placeholder for the Flash
content that has a grey hazard symbol within it - but you will notice a
blue hazard icon at the right end of the address bar. Click on that
icon and a drop-down appear asking if you want to turn off all filtering
(allow all AX controls), or turn off just tracking protection (the TPLs,
or Tracking Protection Lists, like subscribing to EasyPrivacy or
Fanboy). Blocking is for all AX controls (of which Flash is one in IE),
none of them, or just disable tracking protection. There is no "do you
want to activate flash" prompt or context menu entry in IE's AX blocker.

"Works for me" does not say in which web browser and with what, if any,
extensions are installed into it.

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player...er-chrome.html
From what I see there, Chrome's settings on Flash are to disable it or
enable it, and when enabled whether to always allow Flash - which
implies that not enabling the "Always allowed to run" means Chrome
somehow indicates that Flash was blocked until the user chooses
otherwise.

https://security.berkeley.edu/faq/we...-google-chrome
So NOT enabling the "Always allowed to run" setting for Flash enables
its Click-to-Play feature. Or maybe it's another setting in Chrome that
is grouped under the experimental settings, as shown at:

http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/u...play-flash.jpg
(go to chrome://settings, click Advanced, scroll to Content Settings,
Plug-ins section)
Alas, that setting would apply to all plug-ins, not just Flash. Also,
that article shows the Click-to-Play placeholder icon that will appear
in the web page with (for the Flash plug-in) the comment "Click to run
the Flash plug-in". That's still not "do you want to activate flash".

Again, the OP said his grandma was using IE or Seamonkey, not Google
Chrome. I suspect you forgot you installed an extension in whatever web
browser you use that includes Flash blocking but present a poorly worded
prompt when it is actually asking if you want to allow scripts (that may
be used to deliver Flash content or some other media player).