Need Multimedia Audio Controller for W7 installation

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

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On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul
Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J
OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router".

I don't and realy don't think so because my T3104 is hardwired using
cat5 cable. I mean my question to be "how do I connect the cat5
on my desktop to the router" because that's what it is. My emachine
has no wireless.

Am I confused? Yep.
Thanks
J



And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.

Paul

Char wants you to walk through a series of tiny steps.

Perhaps that's best for an eventual solution.

I'd make sure the same cable was plugged in as
before, and that the physical setup is the same.

Then, check the Network and Sharing Center map.

If you have a red "X" something is busted.

If your setup looks like mine, it's working.
The path to the Internet is declared "up" after
a magic Microsoft node on the Internet is accessed
by the networking code.

https://s15.postimg.cc/o2q8qw7m3/net...r_full_map.gif

A red "X" on the Internet side could indicate
a problem with the PPPOE setup. The thing you're
trying to enter a username/password into.

The Computer to Network 4 path in the example,
means the Computer got to the router box,
it requested a DHCP address and DNS server
addresses, and got some of that.

If it said you weren't connected to anything,
you might start by tracing the cable and making sure
you're electricallt connected. And that the router
is receiving power.

Paul

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:10:34 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul

Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J

OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router". And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.

He mentions that he's connected via Cat5 cable and that wireless was too
slow when he tried it, so I'd focus on the wired connection.

Copied from above:
My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow),

He provided the following info on his current connection status:
This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection


If it were me, I'd run "ipconfig /all" in a Command Prompt to see the
current status of everything. I could list and chase 3 dozen possible
situations, but things get narrowed down immensely when you can see the
output of that command.

I'll add one thing, though: assuming the network adapter has a valid IP
address, netmask, and gateway, he can try to ping an address on his LAN
and an address on the Internet. The results of those tests (ipconfig and
two pings) will tell you just about everything you need to know in order
to proceed.

Here is my output of ipconfig /all:
Host Name................................ : main
Primary Dns Suffix.................
Node Type ............................... : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled................ : No
WINS Proxy Enabled ............ : No
DNS Suffix Search List ........ : fios-router.home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : fios-router.home
Description .......................................: Realtek
RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address .....................: 00-40-CA-A8-8B-A7
Dhcp Enabled ................ : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled .. : Yes
IP Address ................................ : 192.168.1.200
Subnet Mask ............................. : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway ...................... : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server ............................ : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers ............................. : 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained ........................ : Sunday, July 16, 2017
Lease Expires.... ....................... : Monday, July 17,2017
I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?
Thanks
I hope I didn't miss anything.
J

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:16:19 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul
Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J
OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router".

I don't and realy don't think so because my T3104 is hardwired using
cat5 cable. I mean my question to be "how do I connect the cat5
on my desktop to the router" because that's what it is. My emachine
has no wireless.

Am I confused? Yep.
Thanks
J



And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.

Paul

Char wants you to walk through a series of tiny steps.

Perhaps that's best for an eventual solution.

I'd make sure the same cable was plugged in as
before, and that the physical setup is the same.

Then, check the Network and Sharing Center map.

If you have a red "X" something is busted.

If your setup looks like mine, it's working.
The path to the Internet is declared "up" after
a magic Microsoft node on the Internet is accessed
by the networking code.

https://s15.postimg.cc/o2q8qw7m3/net...r_full_map.gif

A red "X" on the Internet side could indicate
a problem with the PPPOE setup. The thing you're
trying to enter a username/password into.

The Computer to Network 4 path in the example,
means the Computer got to the router box,
it requested a DHCP address and DNS server
addresses, and got some of that.

If it said you weren't connected to anything,
you might start by tracing the cable and making sure
you're electricallt connected. And that the router
is receiving power.

Paul

Oh I think I am connected all right. Wish I weren't. That wud
explain.
Thanks
J

I just think that if I could just somehow supply my router's name and
password to this emachine's XP, that all would work. I just can't
remember how to do that. At least from wht is presented to me in
Control Panel.
J

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:10:34 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul
Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J
OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router". And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.
He mentions that he's connected via Cat5 cable and that wireless was too
slow when he tried it, so I'd focus on the wired connection.

Copied from above:
My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow),
He provided the following info on his current connection status:
This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

If it were me, I'd run "ipconfig /all" in a Command Prompt to see the
current status of everything. I could list and chase 3 dozen possible
situations, but things get narrowed down immensely when you can see the
output of that command.

I'll add one thing, though: assuming the network adapter has a valid IP
address, netmask, and gateway, he can try to ping an address on his LAN
and an address on the Internet. The results of those tests (ipconfig and
two pings) will tell you just about everything you need to know in order
to proceed.

Here is my output of ipconfig /all:
Host Name................................ : main
Primary Dns Suffix.................
Node Type ............................... : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled................ : No
WINS Proxy Enabled ............ : No
DNS Suffix Search List ........ : fios-router.home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : fios-router.home
Description .......................................: Realtek
RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address .....................: 00-40-CA-A8-8B-A7
Dhcp Enabled ................ : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled .. : Yes
IP Address ................................ : 192.168.1.200
Subnet Mask ............................. : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway ...................... : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server ............................ : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers ............................. : 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained ........................ : Sunday, July 16, 2017
Lease Expires.... ....................... : Monday, July 17,2017
I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?
Thanks
I hope I didn't miss anything.
J


FIOS MI424WR

http://192.168.1.1 === see if a login prompt appears

https://www.verizon.com/cs/groups/pu...ermanualv4.pdf

I don't see any session authentication in there at all.
And the term "PSK" only appears once in the manual,
for setting up Wifi, not that it matters. The FIOS box
in the garage is probably supposed to terminate things
for you. The MI424WR provides routing within the house.
Just a wild guess.

*******

FIOS-ONT (garage)
|
FIOS-Router
/ | | \
/ \
W10 192.168.1.155 WXP 192.168.1.200
ping to 200 works ping to 155 doesn't work

Just to confirm, is that what you're seeing ?

Since the WXP machine has used DHCP and acquired
an IP address, that tells you the wire is OK. I
don't know what else to suggest. The ping should
work locally. Unless the switch on the router
is broken somehow (MAC learning switch). The IP
addresses are unroutable, and the ping attempts
back and forth to 192.168.1/24 should be operating
without any actual routing at all. The switch part
of the box should be doing all the work between
these two nodes.

Paul

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:28:39 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:10:34 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul
Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J
OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router". And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.
He mentions that he's connected via Cat5 cable and that wireless was too
slow when he tried it, so I'd focus on the wired connection.

Copied from above:
My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow),
He provided the following info on his current connection status:
This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

If it were me, I'd run "ipconfig /all" in a Command Prompt to see the
current status of everything. I could list and chase 3 dozen possible
situations, but things get narrowed down immensely when you can see the
output of that command.

I'll add one thing, though: assuming the network adapter has a valid IP
address, netmask, and gateway, he can try to ping an address on his LAN
and an address on the Internet. The results of those tests (ipconfig and
two pings) will tell you just about everything you need to know in order
to proceed.

Here is my output of ipconfig /all:
Host Name................................ : main
Primary Dns Suffix.................
Node Type ............................... : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled................ : No
WINS Proxy Enabled ............ : No
DNS Suffix Search List ........ : fios-router.home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : fios-router.home
Description .......................................: Realtek
RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address .....................: 00-40-CA-A8-8B-A7
Dhcp Enabled ................ : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled .. : Yes
IP Address ................................ : 192.168.1.200
Subnet Mask ............................. : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway ...................... : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server ............................ : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers ............................. : 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained ........................ : Sunday, July 16, 2017
Lease Expires.... ....................... : Monday, July 17,2017
I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?
Thanks
I hope I didn't miss anything.
J


FIOS MI424WR

http://192.168.1.1 === see if a login prompt appears

https://www.verizon.com/cs/groups/pu...ermanualv4.pdf

I don't see any session authentication in there at all.
And the term "PSK" only appears once in the manual,
for setting up Wifi, not that it matters. The FIOS box
in the garage is probably supposed to terminate things
for you. The MI424WR provides routing within the house.
Just a wild guess.

*******

FIOS-ONT (garage)
|
FIOS-Router
/ | | \
/ \
W10 192.168.1.155 WXP 192.168.1.200
ping to 200 works ping to 155 doesn't work

Just to confirm, is that what you're seeing ?

Yes except the router is cat5-connected to the XP PC too.


Since the WXP machine has used DHCP and acquired
an IP address, that tells you the wire is OK. I
don't know what else to suggest. The ping should
work locally. Unless the switch on the router
is broken somehow (MAC learning switch). The IP
addresses are unroutable, and the ping attempts
back and forth to 192.168.1/24 should be operating
without any actual routing at all. The switch part
of the box should be doing all the work between
these two nodes.

Paul

In message ,
writes:
I just think that if I could just somehow supply my router's name and
password to this emachine's XP, that all would work. I just can't
remember how to do that. At least from wht is presented to me in
Control Panel.
J

I can only think of two name and password sets that would be in your
router, and I don't think you need either:

1. The wifi "name" (SSID) and password. You've told us you are connected
to the router by cable, so you don't need that.
2. The ID and password you need to connect to your ISP. The router
normally remembers that, and the computers don't need to know it (except
to programme it into the router when first setting up).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Science fiction is escape into reality - Arthur C Clarke

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
writes:
I just think that if I could just somehow supply my router's name and
password to this emachine's XP, that all would work. I just can't
remember how to do that. At least from wht is presented to me in
Control Panel.
J

I can only think of two name and password sets that would be in your
router, and I don't think you need either:

1. The wifi "name" (SSID) and password. You've told us you are connected
to the router by cable, so you don't need that.
2. The ID and password you need to connect to your ISP. The router
normally remembers that, and the computers don't need to know it (except
to programme it into the router when first setting up).

And with regard to (2), it's possible of the two computers,
that one has already proven the browser can see the Internet.
And it's just the WinXP machine that isn't able to access
the Internet.

Now, one possibility, is the WinXP machine was given
a static address. Then ipconfig would show a "nice number"
and yet the physical layer could be inoperative. Normally
right after a Windows install, networking is set to
"full auto" and both an IP address and the DNS server
addresses are fetched from upstream by using DHCP
protocol. And it's that activity I'm counting on
as proof the network connection works.

And if you think there's something wrong with the
ping protocol (a part of tie ICMP suite), you
can always use PCATTCP for testing. You set up
one machine running the receiver code (echos
traffic). And the device under test becomes
the transmitter with its copy of PCATTCP.

https://superuser.com/questions/6684...-ttcp-or-iperf

The site that was on, has gone now (the last time I checked).
The archive.org copy is still available.

http://www.pcausa.com/Utilities/pcat...ATTCP-0114.zip

( https://web.archive.org/web/20130606...ATTCP-0114.zip )

And a person can also install Wireshark and see transmitted
and received traffic. Not many people are interested in
using such programs, but it's available. On the transmitting
side of the WinXP machine, you could for example prove that
the ping command emitted a packet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireshark

Paul

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 16:04:39 -0400, wrote:

I just think that if I could just somehow supply my router's name and
password to this emachine's XP, that all would work.

If any PC on your network can access the Internet, then your DSL modem
has already been given the proper PPPOE credentials and is working
properly and there's nothing further to do in that regard. The only
other credentials would be for WiFi, but you aren't using that so it's a
non-issue.

So far, it's not a credentials issue nor is it a driver issue. My guess
is that it's a simple configuration issue. I'll reply to another of your
posts with more info.

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:52:01 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:10:34 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul

Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J

OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router". And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.

He mentions that he's connected via Cat5 cable and that wireless was too
slow when he tried it, so I'd focus on the wired connection.

Copied from above:
My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow),

He provided the following info on his current connection status:
This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection


If it were me, I'd run "ipconfig /all" in a Command Prompt to see the
current status of everything. I could list and chase 3 dozen possible
situations, but things get narrowed down immensely when you can see the
output of that command.

I'll add one thing, though: assuming the network adapter has a valid IP
address, netmask, and gateway, he can try to ping an address on his LAN
and an address on the Internet. The results of those tests (ipconfig and
two pings) will tell you just about everything you need to know in order
to proceed.

Here is my output of ipconfig /all:
Host Name................................ : main
Primary Dns Suffix.................
Node Type ............................... : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled................ : No
WINS Proxy Enabled ............ : No
DNS Suffix Search List ........ : fios-router.home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : fios-router.home
Description .......................................: Realtek
RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address .....................: 00-40-CA-A8-8B-A7
Dhcp Enabled ................ : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled .. : Yes
IP Address ................................ : 192.168.1.200
Subnet Mask ............................. : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway ...................... : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server ............................ : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers ............................. : 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained ........................ : Sunday, July 16, 2017
Lease Expires.... ....................... : Monday, July 17,2017

We can see that this XP PC obtained a valid IP address (192.168.1.200)
and a valid subnet mask (255.255.255.0) via DHCP, and that it thinks its
gateway resides at 192.168.1.1.

From this PC, I would have pinged 192.168.1.1 to make sure it responds.
That has to work before you can expect anything else to work, and I
assume it will. Assuming it does, I would ping an IP address on the
Internet. I use 8.8.8.8 simply because it's easy to type. If that also
works, then you have Internet connectivity.

If the 192.168.1.1 ping fails, the problem is local: the XP PC, its
Ethernet cable (check the status LEDs next to the Ethernet port on your
XP PC), or the router/modem.

If the 192.168.1.1 ping is successful but the 8.8.8.8 ping fails, then
the issue lies with your router/modem.

You can (and should) run the ping tests from your W10 PC, as well, and
compare the results, but pinging one PC from the other PC introduces
other variables, such as Windows Firewall configs. I'd just keep things
simple until you get it figured out.

I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?

Could just be that ICMP is disabled on the W10 firewall.


--

Char Jackson

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 01:30:34 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:
I just think that if I could just somehow supply my router's name and
password to this emachine's XP, that all would work. I just can't
remember how to do that. At least from wht is presented to me in
Control Panel.
J

I can only think of two name and password sets that would be in your
router, and I don't think you need either:

1. The wifi "name" (SSID) and password. You've told us you are connected
to the router by cable, so you don't need that.
2. The ID and password you need to connect to your ISP. The router
normally remembers that, and the computers don't need to know it (except
to programme it into the router when first setting up).

Ok.
One important thing that I have forgoten in all this is the fact that
I had W7 installed on this Emachine originally because I wanted to see
if W7 would run on it. It did, and further the internet part worked
just fine except it was horrendously slow and I thought to determine
if XP would do any better. The router cat5 connection was the same.
Ergo the hardware part should be okay.
Thanks
J

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:46:10 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:52:01 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:10:34 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:02:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:03:30 -0400, Paul
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 01:58:31 +0100, Patrick
wrote:

On 16/08/2018 01:55, Patrick wrote:
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:59:10 -0400, wrote:

I installed W7 on the antique emachines T3104, and all is fine except
I have no audio. Device Manager says it needs drivers for Multimedia
Audio Controller. Anyone tell me where I can find/download same? I
sure can't find it.
Thanks
J
Hi

Well I found the site with the downloads I wanted:
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html

This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place wherein I
supply my modem info. I intend to go to a XP group to ask help.

Thanks for helps you guys.
J

Drivers for XP 32 bit only (try all three of the LAN drivers there);
http://www.emachines.com/ec/en/US/content/drivers.html
Sorry, that's the same address you gave, anyway find your model and see
there are 3 LAN drivers there.
Thanks. I had downloaded all the drivers from that support site, and
I think they are all installed okay on the XP SP3 installation. See
my current, but unanswered post on the xp group alt.windows-xp.
Anyway, the XP device manager looks to be fine. I even have audio. I
think what I need is 1-2-3 guidance on how to set up the XP network
setup wizard and/or network connection in control panel so it knows
the name/password of my router. At least that would seem so. That's
what I have done in the past. I can't seem to find/do that. My
old-age dumbness is probably my problem.
Sorry to be a nuisance.
J
You should be able to use a web browser,
to access the router.

Keep the router password written on a PostIT note and
tape the note to the router so it doesn't get lost. That's
the password that gets you into the router.

That's different than the username/password actually
*in* the router setup.

The "address" of the router can be found one of two ways.
It could be the numeric gateway address.

http://192.168.1.1

Or on some routers, there is a symbolic address
mentioned in the user manual for the router. The router
has an address translation for whatever magic word they use
for the symbolic value. So in this example, the router
looks up "router" and gets 192.168.1.1 as the answer.
Each cheesy router brand, uses a different word.

http://router

If you need a further hint, you could always try
"ipconfig" in a Command Prompt window, and the
Default Gateway numeric address could be the address
of the router.

But sometimes it's just better to crack open the router
manual and refresh your memory about "how to get there".

Paul

Hi Paul:

My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow), and it came with a sticker
identifier stating the router's wifi name and password. In the past
when I installed W7, W8, or W10, I have had to supply both of those to
the installed OS.

On this XP installation, Device Manager shows the internet drivers are
installed, but when I try Internet Explorer, it hangs because it
cannot find the internet. Ergo I figger I have to use the Control
Panel's Network Setup and/or Network Connection to supply the
aforementioned names, like I did before, but have forgotten how.

This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection

Having said all that then - what do I need to do? I'll write it down
this time!
Thanks again
J

OK, I see a problem with my answer.

My answer assumed a wired connection to the router, and
we were just solving the broadband authentication.

Your questions amounts to "how do I connect the wifi
on my desktop to the router". And the connection could
be using WPA2 and using some sort of key. That's
another step involving authentication.

At some point, this process was called

"Wireless Zero Config"

and WZC took the place of the custom dialogs provided
with the actual Wifi driver for the OS.

1) You need a Wifi driver to start.
Check in Device Manager and see if the WIfi device
is present and it has no yellow marks or anything.

2) Verify that WZC service is running.

https://kb.netgear.com/20021/Enablin...-on-Windows-XP

3) Follow the rest of the instructions to actually use
the Networking panel (now that WZC is running and
the Networking panel can see wifi stuff).

Here's another example, where they work on using a
secure method for the setup. Notice how unlike the
Netgear article, they click Properties and do a bit
more work. A passphrase is used to protect the
connection. This is a passphrase you set on the
router when setting up the Wifi. Or, the ISP put
a long string of random crap on some sort of label
for you to use - that's if you don't remember
writing the passPhrase on a PostIT note earlier
on when setting up the router.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials...ep-by-Step.htm

Just a guess, as I have *no Wifi here at all* to test with.
All I can do is read web pages :-) Oh, and
remember the odd keyword. Keywords are my breadcrumbs.

He mentions that he's connected via Cat5 cable and that wireless was too
slow when he tried it, so I'd focus on the wired connection.

Copied from above:
My Verizon router ls cat5-connected (altho it is wireless which I
tried and thought it was too slow),

He provided the following info on his current connection status:
This XP's connections are 3-fold and are said to be:
(1) a Broadband WAN miniport said to be My ISP and disconnected
(2) a Internet Gateway said to be a connected internet connection
and (3) a LAN or High-Speed Internet said to be a connected local
area Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast connection


If it were me, I'd run "ipconfig /all" in a Command Prompt to see the
current status of everything. I could list and chase 3 dozen possible
situations, but things get narrowed down immensely when you can see the
output of that command.

I'll add one thing, though: assuming the network adapter has a valid IP
address, netmask, and gateway, he can try to ping an address on his LAN
and an address on the Internet. The results of those tests (ipconfig and
two pings) will tell you just about everything you need to know in order
to proceed.

Here is my output of ipconfig /all:
Host Name................................ : main
Primary Dns Suffix.................
Node Type ............................... : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled................ : No
WINS Proxy Enabled ............ : No
DNS Suffix Search List ........ : fios-router.home

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix : fios-router.home
Description .......................................: Realtek
RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address .....................: 00-40-CA-A8-8B-A7
Dhcp Enabled ................ : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled .. : Yes
IP Address ................................ : 192.168.1.200
Subnet Mask ............................. : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway ...................... : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server ............................ : 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers ............................. : 192.168.1.1
Lease Obtained ........................ : Sunday, July 16, 2017
Lease Expires.... ....................... : Monday, July 17,2017

We can see that this XP PC obtained a valid IP address (192.168.1.200)
and a valid subnet mask (255.255.255.0) via DHCP, and that it thinks its
gateway resides at 192.168.1.1.

From this PC, I would have pinged 192.168.1.1 to make sure it responds.
That has to work before you can expect anything else to work, and I
assume it will. Assuming it does, I would ping an IP address on the
Internet. I use 8.8.8.8 simply because it's easy to type. If that also
works, then you have Internet connectivity.

If the 192.168.1.1 ping fails, the problem is local: the XP PC, its
Ethernet cable (check the status LEDs next to the Ethernet port on your
XP PC), or the router/modem.

If the 192.168.1.1 ping is successful but the 8.8.8.8 ping fails, then
the issue lies with your router/modem.
ping 8.8.8.8
You can (and should) run the ping tests from your W10 PC, as well, and
compare the results, but pinging one PC from the other PC introduces
other variables, such as Windows Firewall configs. I'd just keep things
simple until you get it figured out.

I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?

Could just be that ICMP is disabled on the W10 firewall.


192.168.1.1 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
8.8.8.8 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
216.58.203.133 (gmail.com) - worked - 4 packets sent and received.
both machines. One is WXP, one is W10.

Now what?
Thanks
J

In message ,
writes:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:46:10 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:52:01 -0400, wrote:

[]
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
[]
This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and
audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so
I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place
[]
I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?

Could just be that ICMP is disabled on the W10 firewall.


192.168.1.1 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
8.8.8.8 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
216.58.203.133 (gmail.com) - worked - 4 packets sent and received.
both machines. One is WXP, one is W10.

Now what?
Thanks
J

That's weird! Sounds like you have a connection. (Did you ping gmail.com
using its name, or did you specify its numerical IP address?) Maybe
something about the browser setup.

If you put http://216.58.203.133/ into the browser, do you get anything?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's
money."

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:28:20 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:46:10 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:52:01 -0400, wrote:

[]
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
[]
This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and
audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so
I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place
[]
I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?

Could just be that ICMP is disabled on the W10 firewall.


192.168.1.1 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
8.8.8.8 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
216.58.203.133 (gmail.com) - worked - 4 packets sent and received.
both machines. One is WXP, one is W10.

Now what?
Thanks
J

That's weird! Sounds like you have a connection. (Did you ping gmail.com
using its name, or did you specify its numerical IP address?) Maybe
something about the browser setup.

If you put http://216.58.203.133/ into the browser, do you get anything?


I get:

There is a problem with this website's security certificate

It recommended not going to it.
but I did anyway.
It went into a network diagnostic wherein it checked connectivity
wherein it said:

windows cannot conect to the internet using HTTP, HTTPS, or FTP.
Probably caused by firewall settings. Check firewall settings to the
HTTP port (80), HTTPS port (443) and FTP port (21).

I dunno how to do that. I will try.,

I do see errors in the Network Diagnostic under connectivity:
HTTP Successfully connected to www.microsoft.com
HTTPS Error 12157 an error occurred in the secure channel support
FTP(Active) Error 12029 connecting to ftp.microsoft.com A
connection with the server could not be established.
Could not make an HTTPS connection
Could not make an FTP connection
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Ohboy!
J

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 08:12:53 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:28:20 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:46:10 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:52:01 -0400, wrote:

[]
On 15/08/2018 22:41, wrote:
[]
This emachine T3104 ran fine then - had both internet and
audio once I
installed the drivers, However it was horrendously slow, so
I decided
to try XP on it. Now I have reached the point where I can't connect
to the web. All else seems fine. I have tried and tried to
install/reinstall the connection, but I can't find the place
[]
I pinged the above 192.168.1.200 from my W10 PC and it found it.
I pinged this W10PC IPV4 Address 192.168.1.155 (taken from ping on
that machine) from the emachine WXP and it did not.

Mean anything?

Could just be that ICMP is disabled on the W10 firewall.


192.168.1.1 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
8.8.8.8 worked - 4 packets sent and received.
216.58.203.133 (gmail.com) - worked - 4 packets sent and received.
both machines. One is WXP, one is W10.

Now what?
Thanks
J

That's weird! Sounds like you have a connection. (Did you ping gmail.com
using its name, or did you specify its numerical IP address?)
numerical
J