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Joe,
I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to help you.In other words pay a professional to come in and network your home. It really wont be that much. This is all that I can see that will help you. Joe -----Original Message----- Bruce, thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll uninstall the network card and my system will probably crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft! I'm not going to go that far with this problem. Thanks anyway, Bob -----Original Message----- I would second the recommendation to start from scratch, with this additional recommendation along the same line: go to Device Manager and uninstall the network card. (You should probably make sure you have drivers handy for your network card, before you do this.) Reinstall the network card, and then run the network setup wizard, choosing the "connect thru a residential gateway option" on both computers. That really should be enough. It is meant to just work in its default configuration. Really. wrote in message . .. Nick, thanks for the response. I agree with you about starting from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network, but I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll keep hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it will work one of these days. thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming conventions are usually total crap. Take the example of the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi setting. To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher the setting, the smaller the image, while in the display settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with screen inches... like the average joe would know that). I just took the time to post all that to help you get your network set up. That was the main reason why you posted, right? =P I've found often enough that when something really frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've set up enough networks in XP and done enough clean installs to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition, it'll be easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca -----Original Message----- Nick, I appreciate the time you put into your response, but I must say that the length of your answer only substantiates my opinion that the Windows XP "wizard" is just the opposite. If I have to go through all of that to get a network set up, how the heck can they call it a wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set this thing up only to get one error after another, I am absolutely certain that there has to be an easier way to do this, and Microsoft does not use that way! thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- What are the IPs of each of the computers? Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the other computer in the form: \\Desktop\Shared or \\Laptop\Shared Where Shared is the name of a folder on that computer that is set to be shared on the network. If you want to get the two computers to be networked safely, you need to have them both with the same first 3 sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and the router should have a connection to the cable modem. I have set up several networks with XP on networks with anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a single router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained together. Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just ran the network setup wizard for each computer and I was up and running. Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything. EVERYTHING. Connect the power to the router and then press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be one on the back or the bottom). Find the instructions that came with the router (or find them of the router manufacturer's website) and follow them step by step. While you're setting everything up, only have ONE computer connected, once the router is configured properly, connect the other computer. Make sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP server. Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this both from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in the router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers should have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3 parts of the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If this doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the Windows Network Setup Wizard to work. Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described above, NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input the exact same settings into each computer. Share a folder and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder in the form \\computer\folder If this still doesn't work (and you've actually followed everything that I've said here), let us know. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca "The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t ro ub l e s h oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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See what I mean I told you to hang in there good I removed
Zone alarm and I amnow using the ICF in window it works well and the service pack 2 that will be out soon for XP will further enhance it. Stay with MS products with XP Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to help you.In other words pay a professional to come in and network your home. It really wont be that much. This is all that I can see that will help you. Joe -----Original Message----- Bruce, thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll uninstall the network card and my system will probably crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft! I'm not going to go that far with this problem. Thanks anyway, Bob -----Original Message----- I would second the recommendation to start from scratch, with this additional recommendation along the same line: go to Device Manager and uninstall the network card. (You should probably make sure you have drivers handy for your network card, before you do this.) Reinstall the network card, and then run the network setup wizard, choosing the "connect thru a residential gateway option" on both computers. That really should be enough. It is meant to just work in its default configuration. Really. wrote in message .. . Nick, thanks for the response. I agree with you about starting from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network, but I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll keep hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it will work one of these days. thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming conventions are usually total crap. Take the example of the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi setting. To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher the setting, the smaller the image, while in the display settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with screen inches... like the average joe would know that). I just took the time to post all that to help you get your network set up. That was the main reason why you posted, right? =P I've found often enough that when something really frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've set up enough networks in XP and done enough clean installs to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition, it'll be easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca -----Original Message----- Nick, I appreciate the time you put into your response, but I must say that the length of your answer only substantiates my opinion that the Windows XP "wizard" is just the opposite. If I have to go through all of that to get a network set up, how the heck can they call it a wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set this thing up only to get one error after another, I am absolutely certain that there has to be an easier way to do this, and Microsoft does not use that way! thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- What are the IPs of each of the computers? Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the other computer in the form: \\Desktop\Shared or \\Laptop\Shared Where Shared is the name of a folder on that computer that is set to be shared on the network. If you want to get the two computers to be networked safely, you need to have them both with the same first 3 sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and the router should have a connection to the cable modem. I have set up several networks with XP on networks with anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a single router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained together. Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just ran the network setup wizard for each computer and I was up and running. Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything. EVERYTHING. Connect the power to the router and then press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be one on the back or the bottom). Find the instructions that came with the router (or find them of the router manufacturer's website) and follow them step by step. While you're setting everything up, only have ONE computer connected, once the router is configured properly, connect the other computer. Make sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP server. Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this both from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in the router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers should have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3 parts of the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If this doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the Windows Network Setup Wizard to work. Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described above, NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input the exact same settings into each computer. Share a folder and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder in the form \\computer\folder If this still doesn't work (and you've actually followed everything that I've said here), let us know. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca "The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t ro ub l e s h oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Bruce,
I was really being sarcastic with my comment about the computer crashing if I uninstalled the network card. I can see where you might have thought I would never try that. Anyway, I am making some progress. I have disabled Zonealarm and that is letting me network, but now I have to figure out what to do with ZA! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Its not like, if it "crashed" it is actually going to break anything. I have been through this kind of problem before, and sometimes you have to completely remove and reinstall the network card driver. The problem won't go away until you do, if that's where your problem is. Sometimes, it also necessary to actually rename the computer after removing the networking (software) components. Sometimes, old network protocols appear to hang on, invisibly, even after you remove them in the Connection Properities dialog. "Starting from scratch" is best, because once you truly are at scratch, it really is wonderfully simple and straightforward to just run the wizard. Getting to "scratch" is sometimes problematic, and there's often little use in fiddlin' with individual settings. "Bob" wrote in message ... Bruce, thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll uninstall the network card and my system will probably crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft! I'm not going to go that far with this problem. Thanks anyway, Bob -----Original Message----- I would second the recommendation to start from scratch, with this additional recommendation along the same line: go to Device Manager and uninstall the network card. (You should probably make sure you have drivers handy for your network card, before you do this.) Reinstall the network card, and then run the network setup wizard, choosing the "connect thru a residential gateway option" on both computers. . |
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Joe,
the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message . .. Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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You don't have to disable ZoneAlarm - even the free version. All you have to do is: Open the ZoneAlarm control center. Click on 'Firewall' on the left side. Bottom/right, click on 'Add'. When the window opens, choose IP Range. In the Trusted Zone, put the IP number range of your network. When done, make sure you click on 'Apply' at the bottom/right before closing ZoneAlarm. You also shouldn't have to mess with the security options after that - your netowrk is in the Trusted zone and all should be fine. Good luck - and welcome to the world of XP networking hell. Bob Tyler... Tyler Systems On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:42:58 -0700, "Bob" wrote: Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to help you.In other words pay a professional to come in and network your home. It really wont be that much. This is all that I can see that will help you. Joe -----Original Message----- Bruce, thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll uninstall the network card and my system will probably crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft! I'm not going to go that far with this problem. Thanks anyway, Bob -----Original Message----- I would second the recommendation to start from scratch, with this additional recommendation along the same line: go to Device Manager and uninstall the network card. (You should probably make sure you have drivers handy for your network card, before you do this.) Reinstall the network card, and then run the network setup wizard, choosing the "connect thru a residential gateway option" on both computers. That really should be enough. It is meant to just work in its default configuration. Really. wrote in message .. . Nick, thanks for the response. I agree with you about starting from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network, but I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll keep hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it will work one of these days. thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming conventions are usually total crap. Take the example of the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi setting. To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher the setting, the smaller the image, while in the display settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with screen inches... like the average joe would know that). I just took the time to post all that to help you get your network set up. That was the main reason why you posted, right? =P I've found often enough that when something really frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've set up enough networks in XP and done enough clean installs to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition, it'll be easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca -----Original Message----- Nick, I appreciate the time you put into your response, but I must say that the length of your answer only substantiates my opinion that the Windows XP "wizard" is just the opposite. If I have to go through all of that to get a network set up, how the heck can they call it a wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set this thing up only to get one error after another, I am absolutely certain that there has to be an easier way to do this, and Microsoft does not use that way! thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- What are the IPs of each of the computers? Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the other computer in the form: \\Desktop\Shared or \\Laptop\Shared Where Shared is the name of a folder on that computer that is set to be shared on the network. If you want to get the two computers to be networked safely, you need to have them both with the same first 3 sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and the router should have a connection to the cable modem. I have set up several networks with XP on networks with anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a single router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained together. Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just ran the network setup wizard for each computer and I was up and running. Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything. EVERYTHING. Connect the power to the router and then press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be one on the back or the bottom). Find the instructions that came with the router (or find them of the router manufacturer's website) and follow them step by step. While you're setting everything up, only have ONE computer connected, once the router is configured properly, connect the other computer. Make sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP server. Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this both from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in the router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers should have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3 parts of the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If this doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the Windows Network Setup Wizard to work. Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described above, NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input the exact same settings into each computer. Share a folder and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder in the form \\computer\folder If this still doesn't work (and you've actually followed everything that I've said here), let us know. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca "The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t ro ub l e s h oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message . .. Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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-----Original Message----- Joe, the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message .. . Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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-----Original Message----- Joe, the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message .. . Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Zone alarm and I amnow using the ICF in window it works well and the service pack 2 that will be out soon for XP will further enhance it. Stay with MS products with XP Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- One last thing Bob why dont you get someone in there to help you.In other words pay a professional to come in and network your home. It really wont be that much. This is all that I can see that will help you. Joe -----Original Message----- Bruce, thanks for the suggestion, but with my luck, I'll uninstall the network card and my system will probably crash! I don't have that much confidence in Microsoft! I'm not going to go that far with this problem. Thanks anyway, Bob -----Original Message----- I would second the recommendation to start from scratch, with this additional recommendation along the same line: go to Device Manager and uninstall the network card. (You should probably make sure you have drivers handy for your network card, before you do this.) Reinstall the network card, and then run the network setup wizard, choosing the "connect thru a residential gateway option" on both computers. That really should be enough. It is meant to just work in its default configuration. Really. wrote in message .. . Nick, thanks for the response. I agree with you about starting from scratch. I consider myself to have intermediate knowledge of computers, but this network thing has me stumped. It's not killing me to not have a network, but I think it would be nice to have it set up. I'll keep hammering away at it (not literally!) and I'm sure it will work one of these days. thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- I totally agree with you about how Microsoft's naming conventions are usually total crap. Take the example of the screen resolution when it comes to the dpi setting. To me, when I hear the term dpi, I think the higher the setting, the smaller the image, while in the display settings, it's the exact opposite (it has to do with screen inches... like the average joe would know that). I just took the time to post all that to help you get your network set up. That was the main reason why you posted, right? =P I've found often enough that when something really frustrating comes up, just start from scratch. I've set up enough networks in XP and done enough clean installs to be able to make all the necessary key strokes and mouse clicks blindfolded (almost... it depends on the mouse sensitivity, lol). With enough repetition, it'll be easy enough to troubleshoot just about anything. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca -----Original Message----- Nick, I appreciate the time you put into your response, but I must say that the length of your answer only substantiates my opinion that the Windows XP "wizard" is just the opposite. If I have to go through all of that to get a network set up, how the heck can they call it a wizard?? After having spent hours attempting to set this thing up only to get one error after another, I am absolutely certain that there has to be an easier way to do this, and Microsoft does not use that way! thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- What are the IPs of each of the computers? Are you able to manually enter a shortcut to the other computer in the form: \\Desktop\Shared or \\Laptop\Shared Where Shared is the name of a folder on that computer that is set to be shared on the network. If you want to get the two computers to be networked safely, you need to have them both with the same first 3 sections of the IP address, i.e. 192.168.1.xx and the router should have a connection to the cable modem. I have set up several networks with XP on networks with anywhere from 2 to 15 computers using either a single router or a switch or 3 routers daisy chained together. Once I got the routers set up to properly, I just ran the network setup wizard for each computer and I was up and running. Try starting from scratch. Unplug everything. EVERYTHING. Connect the power to the router and then press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds (there should be one on the back or the bottom). Find the instructions that came with the router (or find them of the router manufacturer's website) and follow them step by step. While you're setting everything up, only have ONE computer connected, once the router is configured properly, connect the other computer. Make sure that you have the router set to act as a DHCP server. Check the IP addresses of each computer. Check this both from "ipconfig /all" in the command prompt and in the router's DHCP configuration menu. The computers should have the exact same subnet mask and the first 3 parts of the IP addresses the same, i.e 192.168.1.xx. If this doesn't fit, then you're never going to get the Windows Network Setup Wizard to work. Once you've got the IPs and subnet masks described above, NOW run the setup wizard. Make sure that you input the exact same settings into each computer. Share a folder and see if you can make a shortcut to that folder in the form \\computer\folder If this still doesn't work (and you've actually followed everything that I've said here), let us know. Hope this helps, Nick nkjg/at\interchange/dot\ubc/dot\ca "The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results." -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/t ro ub l e s h oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message . .. Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Excellent! Bob
-----Original Message----- Joe, the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message .. . Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message . .. Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Excellent! Bob
-----Original Message----- Joe, the problem is solved. I was able to list each of the computers in the trusted zone in ZA. That allows me to share between the two computers. Situation all normal! thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Like I said use MS and you will not go wrong. You are going to pull your hair out again if you mess with other products in your case. Some people have great success but I wouldn't recommend it. ICF stands for Internet Connection Firewall it can be configured to keep out intruders just as well as the others if not better! It can also track malicious IP addressess go with me here Bob. Joe -----Original Message----- it looks like Zonealarm will not let me network when I'm using the free edition of ZA. No matter what setting I put the security at, I can't network. It will only network when I disable ZA. Maybe I'll try Sygate. thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see that you're making some progress. You should be able to tell ZA to trust the 2 PC IP adresses. Then you can leave it enabled. I use Sygate PF. "Bob" wrote in message .. . Joe, I may have made some progress on this networking issue. For some reason, I decided to disable zonealarm. The good news is that the two computers are finding each other and I am able to share files. The bad news is zonealarm is disabled, and I don't want to take any chances on allowing access to outside computers. Any ideas? thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Would you be willing to try this? try adding a crossover cable from one pc to the other and see if you can connect the two. If so you may need (indicating router trouble) a hub try a hub downstream of the router and out to the 2pc's and see what's up. can you get to your ohter pc like this: \\192.168.2.3\mydocuments if my documents being shared enabled dont worry so much about the wizard too much attention is being put on this, our goal is to get you to share files and the internet. You may also have an incompatible router. Why dont you get a Microsoft wireless basetation kit and try again. I think you will succeed. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. This primarily because thay are learning just as you are with trouble shooting and their first set up there are many reasons Bob, But once you cure yours you will also agree. I have to go now but I will be back later there are some real smart people here and they truly will help you keep trying. As I said you may need to make some hardware changes. Sorry but if you fix your problem after 1 year it to me is worth it. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, my router does have a firewall built in. I have disabled the firewall in XP on both computers. Yes, I know how to set up the file sharing. The IP address on the laptop is 192.168.2.3 The IP address on the desktop is 192.168.2.4 As far as me being the only person on the planet to have a problem networking in XP, I have to disagree with that. As I am looking through the other posts in this newsgroup, I am seeing quite a few people that are having networking problems. Thanks again, Bob -----Original Message----- Bob, So I want you to tell me this please. Does your router have a hardware firewall built in it? Second if not do you know how to share files? Lets take the laptop and go from there. make your way to network connections and then right click on that connection go to properties and then to the advanced tab. See if your fire wall is up? Do this please for me and tell me on both PC's Then tell me the IP address of each PC NIC's that is being assigned by the router. Your Problem sounds as if it is the router not XP. You cannot be the only one on the planet that cannot network XP I am doing greater things than this as are a lot of others. Hang in there. We will get it Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, Maybe I should give you more information about my situation. I have been connected to the internet for years. Each computer can connect on their own. I have a cable modem. The router is connected to the modem and then each computer is connected to the router. I have a desktop and a laptop. Each computer connects separately, but I cannot share files between the two computers. I have tried the "wizard" as Microsoft calls it, and I have tried it using every single configuration they offer. No matter what I try, it doesn't work. The computers can't find each other, and then I keep getting error messages telling me to run the wizard again. Hopefully I have provided enough information to give you more insight. Please refer to my original post to see the error message I keep getting. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- Glad to see your back. So you have never been able to connect to the internet? Ok is there a main PC or does your internet connection come from the wall per se" into the router? I suggest that you have your internet connection from your ISP (from the wall) go directly into your PC and then add another NIC card going out to your router or just install a wireless nic and one inside your laptop. Another configuration is this. If all you have are two PC's 1 desktop and 1 laptop It should work with the router Like this: Into the router from your cable modem/ISP/Wall make sure you are using the correct port on the router (there is only one for incoming) and then the following cables or wireles out of the router (outgoing) Think about trying to connect without using the wizard an see what you get. Just another test here Bob: plug the internet connection from the wall into the router and then plug a cable out of the router into the laptop or PC just one of them and see if you can get to the net. I do not know exactly how you want to network so I am assuming you want all your PC's to access the net via the router. Joe -----Original Message----- Joe, what do you mean by your question? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try to answer it. I am using a router and I have a desktop and laptop. The network wizard in XP is doing absolutely nothing to help me. I keep getting error messages when I try to run the wizard, the computers can't find each other, it cannot find MSHOME. I have tried to run the wizard at least a couple dozen times over the past year and a half, and it NEVER works. You think I'm frustrated? I passed frustrated about 6 months ago. Thanks, Bob -----Original Message----- How are you connecting the PC's Bob? with what type of hardware? and please calm down I know you are frustrated but hang in there you will get it. Joe -----Original Message----- Eric, thanks for your reply, but I tried your suggestions and of course they didn't work. As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can take their network wizard and shove it up Bill Gates' ass. Bob -----Original Message----- Greetings Bob, Make sure the XP's firewall is disabled. It will block file and printer sharing by default. If you installed a third party firewall such as ZoneAlarm, Sygate, or Norton make sure it is properly configured for the network. Ensure NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled. Details here. Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT) http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/tro ub le sh oo t/ netbt.htm __________________ Eric "Bob" wrote in message news:1aa6001c41e86$f90f0aa0 ... I have tried dozens of times to get my two computers to network, but I have had no luck. I have run the Windows XP netork wizard (if you want to call it that), but EVERYTIME I run it, it fails to set up the wizard. I keep getting the following message when I try to View the workgroup computers-- Mshome is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permission. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available. Any clues as to what I can do to get this network to work? Obviously Windows XP does not work well for networking! . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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