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Old March 5th 21, 05:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

Someone posted about the project:
https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge3
I wonder if the "official" forum is still friendly to newsgroup posters.
And is it possible that MS delete microsoft.* hierarchy in Usenet, at
least in backbone servers?

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Old March 5th 21, 10:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_14_]
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 13:28:37 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:
Someone posted about the project:
https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge3
I wonder if the "official" forum is still friendly to newsgroup posters.
And is it possible that MS delete microsoft.* hierarchy in Usenet, at
least in backbone servers?


NNTP bridge? Hasn't Microsoft news server been shutdown quite a long time
ago?
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Old March 5th 21, 08:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ralph Fox
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:19:13 +0700, JJ wrote:
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 13:28:37 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

Someone posted about the project:
https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge3
I wonder if the "official" forum is still friendly to newsgroup posters.
And is it possible that MS delete microsoft.* hierarchy in Usenet, at
least in backbone servers?


NNTP bridge? Hasn't Microsoft news server been shutdown quite a long time
ago?



The Microsoft news server was shut down many years ago, but that is not relevant
to the NNTP bridge.

The NNTP bridge does not use the Microsoft news server.


****[Diagram*best*viewed*in*a*fixed-pitch*font]

***|===========*YOUR*COMPUTER*============| *********|======*THE*INTERNET*=====|

****+--------+*****************+--------+**********************+-------------+
****¦**news**¦**NNTP*protocol**¦* *NNTP**¦***REST*web*service***¦**Mi crosoft**¦
****¦*reader*¦---------------¦*bridge*¦--------------------¦**web*forum**¦
****¦*client*¦************** ***¦********¦************ **********¦***server****¦
****+--------+*****************+--------+**********************+-------------+


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Old March 5th 21, 09:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ralph Fox
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 13:28:37 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

Someone posted about the project:
https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge3
I wonder if the "official" forum is still friendly to newsgroup posters.
And is it possible that MS delete microsoft.* hierarchy in Usenet, at
least in backbone servers?



I used the Community Bridge 3 a few years ago, for a little while.

The "official" forum itself knows nothing at all about newsgroups and
newsgroup posters. Microsoft shut down its news server many years ago.

The NNTP bridge is a program you run locally on your own computer and
which tries to emulate a local news server. The NNTP bridge communicates
with the "official" forums using a REST web service.

The REST web service is very different to NNTP, and therefore the
news server emulation does not behave quite like a real news server.
You will have to accept some compromises.

You can still find microsoft.* hierarchy newsgroups on many Usenet
servers, but Microsoft abandoned those newsgroups many years ago.


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Old March 6th 21, 02:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
JJ[_14_]
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On Sat, 06 Mar 2021 09:26:58 +1300, Ralph Fox wrote:

The Microsoft news server was shut down many years ago, but that is not
relevant to the NNTP bridge.

The NNTP bridge does not use the Microsoft news server.


Ack, you're right. I forgot that Microsoft newsgroups don't require
Microsoft's news server. And I forgot where I'm posting to... duh!

****[Diagram*best*viewed*in*a*fixed-pitch*font]

[snip]

So, the NNTP bridge is just an NNTP-to-HTTP proxy specifically for the web
forum?

I thought it was a web forum plugin which exposes Microsoft newsgroups from
the web forum. i.e. to make the web forum also act as a web based NNTP
client for Microsoft newsgroups.
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Old March 8th 21, 01:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On 2021-3-6 5:09, Ralph Fox wrote:
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Thanks and glad to see a chinese signature here!

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Old March 8th 21, 03:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Ralph Fox wrote:

You can still find microsoft.* hierarchy newsgroups on many Usenet
servers, but Microsoft abandoned those newsgroups many years ago.


Due to peering, most Usenet providers continued carrying the
microsoft.public.* newsgroups despite Microsoft shrunk away from Usenet
(because they couldn't control it nor alter the standards to their
wants). The users didn't abandon the microsoft.public.*. It was
Microsoft that fled away. Microsoft's logic back then was their last
version of Windows Server that included an NNTP server program (Windows
Server 2003?) was discontinued hence unsupported, and Microsoft used it
as an excuse to abandon Usenet. Microsoft refused to use a 3rd-party
NNTP server, even free ones (e.g., INN) than many Usenet providers use.

I do remember some self-appointed joker trying to claim Microsoft
authority tried to cancel all posts to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups
along with issuing requests to get the Usenet providers to remove the
newsgroups. I recall only 1 Usenet provider complied with the bogus
"Microsoft request". Everyone else didn't give a gnat's fart about the
imposter, nor did they care Microsoft was leaving Usenet. Usenet
doesn't require the permission of companies to have newsgroups created
that focus on a company's products. Creating official newsgroups (in
the Big-8 hierarchy) goes through a lengthy process, but deleting them
is even harder.

Alas, after Microsoft abandoned Usenet (but Usenet providers continued
to carry the newsgroups), the MVPs gradually left Usenet. The boobs
moved to the flat-filed web-based forums (Answers), so the MVPs followed
where their expertise would be seen as greater by comparison to the
forum community instead of back in Usenet. The MVPs followed the boobs
move where they were needed to provide the most help.
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Old March 8th 21, 03:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

Ralph Fox wrote:

On Fri, 5 Mar 2021 13:28:37 +0800, Lu Wei wrote:

Someone posted about the project:
https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge3
I wonder if the "official" forum is still friendly to newsgroup posters.
And is it possible that MS delete microsoft.* hierarchy in Usenet, at
least in backbone servers?


I used the Community Bridge 3 a few years ago, for a little while.

The "official" forum itself knows nothing at all about newsgroups and
newsgroup posters. Microsoft shut down its news server many years ago.

The NNTP bridge is a program you run locally on your own computer and
which tries to emulate a local news server. The NNTP bridge communicates
with the "official" forums using a REST web service.

The REST web service is very different to NNTP, and therefore the
news server emulation does not behave quite like a real news server.
You will have to accept some compromises.

You can still find microsoft.* hierarchy newsgroups on many Usenet
servers, but Microsoft abandoned those newsgroups many years ago.


I thought the NNTP bridge died several years ago. I recall trying it
for a very short time -- because it was VERY flaky.

https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=communitybridge

Users are to download the NNTP bridge after 2021-JUL-1 from:

https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge

Well, obviously Jochen Kalmbach decided to take up the codebase, because
Microsoft decided to drop that NNTP access method. 3 years ago the
project stalled. However, Kalmbach's code is a clone and has a
datestamp of 5 years ago, so the NNTP bridge stalled that long ago. He
grabbed the stale code before it disappears from CodePlex. Microsoft is
not supporting it, and hasn't supported for many years.

Considering how flaky it was several years ago when it was supported,
but has been stale for several years, I wouldn't bother with it. Did
they ever fix the Message-ID or References header problems? Does their
web-based forum even bother to insert a References header to allow NNTP
client to view hierarchy? Just use a web browser to their web forums
instead of trying to interface your NNTP client to their forums.
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Old March 17th 21, 03:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On 2021-3-8 23:12, VanguardLH wrote:

Due to peering, most Usenet providers continued carrying the
microsoft.public.* newsgroups despite Microsoft shrunk away from Usenet
(because they couldn't control it nor alter the standards to their
wants). The users didn't abandon the microsoft.public.*. It was
Microsoft that fled away. Microsoft's logic back then was their last
version of Windows Server that included an NNTP server program (Windows
Server 2003?) was discontinued hence unsupported, and Microsoft used it
as an excuse to abandon Usenet. Microsoft refused to use a 3rd-party
NNTP server, even free ones (e.g., INN) than many Usenet providers use.

I do remember some self-appointed joker trying to claim Microsoft
authority tried to cancel all posts to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups
along with issuing requests to get the Usenet providers to remove the
newsgroups. I recall only 1 Usenet provider complied with the bogus
"Microsoft request". Everyone else didn't give a gnat's fart about the
imposter, nor did they care Microsoft was leaving Usenet. Usenet
doesn't require the permission of companies to have newsgroups created
that focus on a company's products. Creating official newsgroups (in
the Big-8 hierarchy) goes through a lengthy process, but deleting them
is even harder.

I don't have much knowledge about this. I suppose groups are deleted by
such a process: one post a special control message, signed by the
creator of the group, then the servers could automatically delete it as
long as they have the initial creator's key, or they could verify that
key through other ways. But, just as cancelling message function may be
configured to be disabled, the servers may choose not to process any
group deletion message, which is good sometimes (as group like this
one), yet also may contributed to many zombie groups at present.

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Old March 17th 21, 03:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Lu Wei
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Default Has anyone used MS official forum's NNTP bridge?

On 2021-3-8 23:24, VanguardLH wrote:

I thought the NNTP bridge died several years ago. I recall trying it
for a very short time -- because it was VERY flaky.

https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=communitybridge

Users are to download the NNTP bridge after 2021-JUL-1 from:

https://github.com/JochenKalmbach/communitybridge

Well, obviously Jochen Kalmbach decided to take up the codebase, because
Microsoft decided to drop that NNTP access method. 3 years ago the
project stalled. However, Kalmbach's code is a clone and has a
datestamp of 5 years ago, so the NNTP bridge stalled that long ago. He
grabbed the stale code before it disappears from CodePlex. Microsoft is
not supporting it, and hasn't supported for many years.

Considering how flaky it was several years ago when it was supported,
but has been stale for several years, I wouldn't bother with it. Did
they ever fix the Message-ID or References header problems? Does their
web-based forum even bother to insert a References header to allow NNTP
client to view hierarchy? Just use a web browser to their web forums
instead of trying to interface your NNTP client to their forums.

The link I give is communitybridge3 (the third incarnation?), which has
last commit 16 months ago. Anyway, I am just curious about it, not meant
to try it; and since it needs .NET 4.6.2, my XP laptop should not run.

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