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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
Here's my Android file system as seen by Windows which I manage from
Windows without adding *any* software whatsoever to Android or Windows. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2102080android_trash01.jpg Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
"Arlen Holder" wrote in message news
Here's my Android file system as seen by Windows which I manage from Windows without adding *any* software whatsoever to Android or Windows. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=2102080android_trash01.jpg Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows? You're asking the group to comment on why Apple wants to keep their users trapped inside the Apple (prison) ecosystem? This is gonna be one long thread....;-) As you probably know, there are 3rd party iPad file managers but natively, I'm only aware of iTunes and iCloud allowing access to contents of folders from other systems as I recently learned - the hard way. There are limitations on the file types but not being an Apple guru - I'll leave that to others for commenting on. As for managing the Apple IOS file system from Windows, nothing I've read allows the same management level you are used to on a Windows system. I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the effort. Got the new MS Surface Go (8GB 128GB) and upgraded it to Win10 Pro - problem solved. Be glad to answer any questions about it if others are interested. -- Bob S. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Bob_S wrote:
I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the effort. it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating system. the limitation is with you, not the device. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
"nospam" wrote in message ...
In article , Bob_S wrote: I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the effort. it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating system. the limitation is with you, not the device. Great remark - now would you read the the OP's question which I addressed. Manage being the operative word. You can copy certain file types natively (iTunes, iCloud) which they specify. Managing the file system is a whole other matter. So genius - enlighten us by addressing the original question asked and not what you think it said. -- Bob S. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Bob_S wrote:
I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the effort. it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating system. the limitation is with you, not the device. Great remark - now would you read the the OP's question which I addressed. actually, you didn't, and the original poster is a well known troll. Manage being the operative word. You can copy certain file types natively (iTunes, iCloud) which they specify. Managing the file system is a whole other matter. that is of course, absolutely false. you said you gave up. that means you chose not to learn something new. that's *your* decision, not a limitation of the device. as i said, it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating system. i do it daily between mac, windows, linux and *bsd. itunes or the cloud is *not* required. it's simply an *option* among many. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 13 Aug 2018 19:45:14 GMT, Bob_S wrote:
I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. While nospam calls everyone who speaks facts a troll, I back up what I say with facts (nospam has zero credibility - he makes everything up). Why do the iOS trolls like nospam always FABRICATE everything? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/GExRc1qrFGo/JBzdCKSSAwAJ The fact is I have bought plenty of iOS & Android devices over the years, where it just astounds me how severely restricted the iOS operating system is compared to Android. https://u.cubeupload.com/WNbbxt.jpg Like you, I also have the $300 Costco 9.7-inch 2017 WiFi-only iPad with 128GB storage. https://u.cubeupload.com/5IUrm6.jpg For Android, I can just connect to either Windows or Linux to access the entire Android visible file system, *read & write*, all without a single bit of additional software on either the mobile device or the desktop that isn't part of the initial setup. For iOS, I can do that on Linux with no problems whatsoever, for read and write access sans a single bit of additional softwa https://cubeupload.com/im/BOLdzU.jpg. NOTE: Booting to Linux works *perfectly* to access three (3) file systems simultaneously! (Yes, all three - with only two devices!) a. Windows b. Linux c. Mobile device (either iOS or Android) But, when booting to Windows, you only get a single read-only mount point: https://u.cubeupload.com/jIUogJ.jpg With Android - you get power; with iOS - you get restrictions. Most iOS users "just give up" when it comes to doing what we do all day every day without even batting an eye on Android. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Arlen Holder
wrote: For iOS, I can do that on Linux with no problems whatsoever, for read and write access sans a single bit of additional softwa .... But, when booting to Windows, you only get a single read-only mount point: that would be a limitation of windows, and in this case, user error. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 13 Aug 2018 21:52:49 GMT, nospam wrote:
But, when booting to Windows, you only get a single read-only mount point: that would be a limitation of windows, and in this case, user error. It's extremely rare for you, nopsam, to ever guess correctly, but in this case, you're actually closer to the truth than you can possibly imagine. When dual booting to Linux, with both a typical unrooted iOS and Android device connected by USB to the typical desktop, Linux has no problem seeing the entire visible file system of all four devices (only 3 of which are booted): 1. Linux entire visible file system (no limits) 2. Windows entire visible file system (no limits) 3. Android entire visible file system (only limited slightly) 4. iOS entire visible file system (which is severely limited even so) When dual booted to Windows 10, under those same circumstances, Windows sees far less. Windows doesn't see the Linux file system. And Windows sees even less of the highly restricted iOS file system. As is always the case - anyone on iOS is extremely limited in what they can do compared to what they can do on Android - since the entire visible file system on Android is read/write available to both Linux and Windows. The iOS file system is for people who clearly give up a lot to have it. Not the least of what iOS users have to give up is their hard-earned money, where it's been proven that a comparable hardware Android device like the $130 8-core LG Stylo 3 Plus is FIVE TIMES LESS EXPENSIVE than a far-less functional five-times-more expensive iOS device such as the overpriced 4-core Apple iPhone 7 Plus (actually only 3 cores which will be automatically halved in speed in about 1 year). In addition, as you're aware, it's been proven many times that the app functionality alone on any modern Android device is so vastly overwhelmingly more powerful than that of iOS that it's not funny. *To own iOS, is to give up ... a lot.* |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
"Arlen Holder" wrote in message
news If you want similar read/write access to the entire file system over WiFi, you only need to add any free FTP server and then, on Windows, you just go to the network neighborhood and enter in the URI, e.g., ftp://192.168.1.2:2121 This will ask for your login & password (if you've set one up in FTP) and then you will see the entire visible file system, read/write (if you set that up in FTP) to Windows, over the Wi-Fi LAN. Does anyone know of Android software that makes a phone act as a true SMB client or server, so 1) Android can access \\Windows-PC\share\folder\filename exactly as if it were local card/phone storage - Android SMB client 2) a folder on Android can be shared so a Windows PC can access it as \\Android\sharename\folder\filename - Android SMB server I've come across apps like AndSMB which allow Android to see an SMB server and allow you to navigate the shared tree structure, but then you must transfer a *copy* of the file to local Android storage, modify it and then transfer it back again - like using FTP, not with true file *access* where (in Unix terms) you mount remote storage to look like an extension to local storage, or (in Windows terms) the remote storage looks like an additional drive letter, with files being read/written as if to local storage. Is there some fundamental design problem with making this happen on Android. I can imagine that an Android SMB server *might* need root access, but at least I'd expect that making Android behave as a client ought to be possible. By the way, going back to the instructions you have for enabling Windows access over USB to part of Android's filesystem, are there any equivalent instructions for allowing Windows to access files on an iOS device (eg iPad). My wife took loads of photos on her iPad and we can't find any way of copying them onto a Windows device to archive them - apart from by attaching photos to emails and sending them that way, which isn't practical for a large number of photos. Out of the box, an Android device connected by USB to Windows shows up the card and internal storage, allowing you to navigate to DCIM and then select and copy files (photos). The iPad shows up but no folders are displayed. It's things like that which I *hate* about Apple - too bloody clever and proprietary. There probably is a way, but it will be very obscure and require you to do it "the Apple way", probably with special software installed on Windows. I tried using iTunes on Windows, with the iPad connected by USB, but the device didn't show up in iTunes at all, in the way that an iPod would do. If it had shown up, I think iTunes would allowed me manual control over which files I copied. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
In article , Wolf K
wrote: I needed a new tablet this past week so I bought the new 9.7 iPad with 128GB storage. Gorgeous screen and it's fast. Great tablet - but I live in a Windows world and after finding out the limitations and kludges I would have to use to transfer files/folders between the systems, I gave up. Not worth the effort. it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating system. Typical utterly useless "You're wrong" post. It's time you gave real world examples so that the poor sods who lack your brilliance and knowledge can learn how to dfo it themselves. that's been done numerous times, but trollboi doesn't care. he simply denies everything and goes off on another ignorant rant. the limitation is with you, not the device. Yech. nothing yech about it. when someone claims something is impossible that others do without issue every day, then the issue is with that someone. one more time: it's very easy to move content to/from an ipad, regardless of operating system. |
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Why doesn't Apple just let you manage your iOS file system natively on Windows?
On 14 Aug 2018 06:41:08 GMT, NY wrote:
By the way, going back to the instructions you have for enabling Windows access over USB to part of Android's filesystem, are there any equivalent instructions for allowing Windows to access files on an iOS device (eg iPad). While it's not the method you expected, look at these three screenshots to see how you can get far more power than you ask for, if you want. This is a screenshot of iOS 11.2.6 connected to Linux over USB where you will note that there is access to three parts of the iOS file system: a. read-only access to the iOS DCIM folder b. read/write access to "some" of the better apps (mostly not Apple) c. a mount point on Linux of most of the above & more http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9181755linuxios_1.jpg Note that the third mount point provides read & write access to the iOS DCIM directory - so you can copy & delete your data easily: http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9234281linuxios_2.jpg In the older Linux, you had to manually mount to get this feature, but in the newer Linux, it's all now completely automatic and native: http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9819846linuxios_3.jpg Note those screenshots were with Ubuntu 17.10 where Ubuntu 18.04 makes it even easier, completely native, and more powerful. As you know, I currently own all the major consumer operating systems (except Mac, which I've used and hated), where I always simply expect them each individually and all combined to work well together, and where only the iOS devices are so restrictive as to be relegated almost to the "toy" category (due to iOS' extreme lack of basic functionality in the real world). Apple simply states that the real word is "not supported", nor ever tested. Nonetheless, I've found, from experience, that the *best* way to access iOS on Windows for both *read and write* is to dual boot to Linux, paradoxically - where the beauty of Linux is that it allows *simultaneous* read and write access to the entire Windows system (even though Windows isn't even booted!) and iOS file system. Notice, there are only 2 devices but this method gives *simultaneous* read & write access to all 3 file systems! 1. Windows (most recently tested on Windows 10) 2. iOS (most recently tested on iOS 11.2.6) 3. Linux (most recently tested on Ubuntu 18.04) There's an entire July 3rd, 2018 thread with the detail & screenshots. How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IFC52JXBQ1c/siiB7o49CgAJ My wife took loads of photos on her iPad and we can't find any way of copying them onto a Windows device to archive them - apart from by attaching photos to emails and sending them that way, which isn't practical for a large number of photos. You should *already* have all that - if that's all you really want. If all you want is "read" only access of an iPad to Windows, and especially if all you want is read-only access to the DCIM folder, that should be trivial, even with iOS. Just plugging in the iOS device to Windows should, at the very least, show up insatntly like this - which I just did moments ago using my iPad for you. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5944873storage00.jpg Maybe she installed the iTunes abomination by mistake? Out of the box, an Android device connected by USB to Windows shows up the card and internal storage, allowing you to navigate to DCIM and then select and copy files (photos). The iPad shows up but no folders are displayed. I don't ever install the iTunes abomination so if that's installed, maybe things work differently - but here's a sequence I've published in the past which should work if all you want is "read only" USB access to the iOS DCIM folder without installing *anything* on Windows. When you plug in the iOS device into Windows' USB port, you get an "Allow this device" query every time (you only get a query once with Linux, thank God): http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9396078storage01.jpg Assuming you do not have the iTunes abomination installed in Windows, when you plug in the iOS device the very first time, Windows will automatically install the necessary drivers and then ask you to choose how you want the iOS device "Internal Storage" to show up on Windows. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1075420storage02.jpg Windows will then show the iOS device in your native Windows file explorer as just another disc drive, just like Android & USB drives show up. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=1874111storage03.jpg You'll get a bar showing how much storage is available on that iOS device: http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9652440storage04.jpg And then you'll get read-only access to the DCIM directory: http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=5630845storage05.jpg Under that DCIM directory are the idiotically named iOS folders and files and screenshots where you can copy them at will to your Windows disks. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=6394866storage06.jpg In summary, as long as you do not have the iTunes abomination installed, you should be able to have read-only access on Windows to all your iOS camera pictures, videos, and screenshots simply by plugging the iOS device into your Windows USB port. http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=8762004storage07.jpg It's things like that which I *hate* about Apple - too bloody clever and proprietary. There probably is a way, but it will be very obscure and require you to do it "the Apple way", probably with special software installed on Windows. I have used the iTunes abomination in the past where I learned long ago to stay away from it like you would powdered cyanide. Since I gain all my cross platform functionality using the *native* operrating system software, I don't test with the iTunes abomination installed. So your results may be different if you installed the iTunes abomination. But, without the iTunes abomination, I have no problem with *read-only* access to *just* the iOS DCIM folder on Windows 10 over USB. I tried using iTunes on Windows, with the iPad connected by USB, but the device didn't show up in iTunes at all, in the way that an iPod would do. If it had shown up, I think iTunes would allowed me manual control over which files I copied. Yuck. I pity anyone who uses the iTunes abomination, where, many years ago (when nospam was still insisting QuickTime was a necessary component, if that gives you an idea of how long ago it was) I too tried the damn abomination where it was so restrictive in use model that I concluded it was an abomination - and I've been calling it that ever since. When I switched to SharePod freeware (before they went to the dark side), I was soooooooooo happy to be rid of the iTunes abomination that you can't imagine my joy of being able to do anything I wanted again. Back to your question, it's my humble opinion that your wife "should" be able to do what you're asking - without installing *anything* overtly on Windows (Windows will automatically install the necessary drivers). |
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On 14 Aug 2018 17:29:54 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:
When I switched to SharePod freeware (before they went to the dark side), I was soooooooooo happy to be rid of the iTunes abomination that you can't imagine my joy of being able to do anything I wanted again. BTW, on avoiding the iTunes abomination even for iPods, if you can still find the *older* 5MB versions of the sharepod freeware, save them forever! (mine are all long ago saved *on* the iPods!) I tested my old version of SharePod just last week when I plugged in a friend's iPod and a few of mine where I was able to seamlessly slide any MP3 file I wanted to across the handful of devices and Windows operating system (and over the network if I wanted to). All without any iTunes abomination "library" restrictions whatsoever. It doesn't matter the id is of any of the iPods - they all work the same. Absolutely nothing needs to be installed on Windows as the older SharePod freeware is stored on the iPod (which basically acts as a USB disk). The use model is so different from the Orwellian punishment meted out by the iTunes abomination that you would be amazed that you have complete and total freedom of your files on the iPods. With absolutely nothing additional installed on Windows, you can plug in any iPod and slide any MP3 file you want to any location you want any time you want, sans restrictions. NOTE: The version of SharePod freeware we used was version 2.x but you can use up to version 3.9.6 based on our tests. (I read somewhere that Apple paid the SharePod freeware developers a tremendous amount of money to require iTunes in their post 3.9.6 product - which - if true - makes sense to Apple because the SharePod developers had no need of the iTunes abomination up until their version 4.x payware product came out - and that made the payware product useless to me instantly ... however I haven't looked that issue up in years (simply because the older SharePod works fine)... so ... if anyone has more information on why SharePod added the iTunes abomination as a requirement when SharePod worked just fine for many years without the iTunes abomination - it would be interesting to hear what actually happened). |
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In article , Arlen Holder
wrote: NOTE: The version of SharePod freeware we used was version 2.x but you can use up to version 3.9.6 based on our tests. you mean *your* tests. (I read somewhere that Apple paid the SharePod freeware developers a tremendous amount of money to require iTunes in their post 3.9.6 product - which - if true - it isn't true. apple does not pay nor tell third party developers what to do. |
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On 14 Aug 2018 09:08:00 GMT, nospam wrote:
that's been done numerous times, but trollboi doesn't care. he simply denies everything and goes off on another ignorant rant. The Windows users will notice that, in every post by the Apple Apologist nospam, he proves (once again, and for the umpteenth time), he exhibits one or more of these traits common to all the Apple Apologists: What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup? https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/2BJ0i7LtngQ/xprHCzp4CAAJ Specifically, nospam's post above exhibits the highlighted trait below. ================================================== ========================= .. *He brazenly & repeatedly fabricates wholly imaginary app functionality* .. *He then exclaims that it's been told to us many times how to do it!* .... .. He almost never backs up statements with actual referenced facts .. He incessantly plays childish semantic games when faced with those facts .... .. He consistently fabricates quoted content that never happened .. He then wittily responds to that imaginary quoted content as if it did! .... .. He is never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question .. He posts worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value .... .. He consistently blames Android for most of Apple's app & hardware faults .. He consistently finds the absolute worst priceerformance comparisons .... .. He actually believes that a well-documented process is too complex! .. He literally believes elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time. ================================================== ========================= |
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You're the troll - asshole. Always a snide remark and no substance - just like now. |
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