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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup?
This is a Windows question - for Windows experts only - the question has absolutely nothing (per se) to do with Opera browsers or web proxies or even vpn and security. It's a Windows question for Windows experts only: ' How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup? This question can only be answered by a Windows expert. Anyone, like I am, who is not a Windows expert, will never answer it. I'm not at all sophisticated so maybe it's impossible for Windows users to find their unique device-id, but I would like to ask if there any Windows experts on this newsgroup who can conceive of a good way on Windows to find the unique Opera browser "device-id"? I tried Wireshark and Telerik Fiddler, but the amount of data is overwhelming so I need to better filter out to see what's being transmitted. Assuming I'm not the only person on the planet who asks this question, I tried looking it up but the question has never been asked before, to my knowledge - hence there are no answers to this specific question on the net. (Or if it has been asked, I can't find the answer.) For example the unique-to-the-user opera ID is explained, but not how to identify your own particular unique id. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016...ser-vpn-proxy/ I do realize that many non expert people will try to talk me out of a proxy, but that's not the question in the least. (If I wanted to be talked out of a proxy, I wouldn't be asking this basic question seeking a Windows expert who knows how to find a unique device_id.) Ghacks says the unique device-id is the "same ID that Opera has been using for a long time" so it should be known by Windows experts how to find it: https://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/26/a-...s-browser-vpn/ Perfect Privacy says the "device_id is sent to the proxy for every browsing request and will remain permantly tied to the browser." https://www.perfect-privacy.com/blog...-not-real-vpn/ I've scoured the net for a Windows-expert method to identify the exact device-id used. I can't find a method. This is not a proxy question - nor even a browser question - nor even a security question - it's simply a Windows question for Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my exact setup? |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
"Chaya Eve" wrote in message news How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup? This is a Windows question - for Windows experts only - the question has absolutely nothing (per se) to do with Opera browsers or web proxies or even vpn and security. It's a Windows question for Windows experts only: ' How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my specific setup? This question can only be answered by a Windows expert. Anyone, like I am, who is not a Windows expert, will never answer it. I'm not at all sophisticated so maybe it's impossible for Windows users to find their unique device-id, but I would like to ask if there any Windows experts on this newsgroup who can conceive of a good way on Windows to find the unique Opera browser "device-id"? I tried Wireshark and Telerik Fiddler, but the amount of data is overwhelming so I need to better filter out to see what's being transmitted. Assuming I'm not the only person on the planet who asks this question, I tried looking it up but the question has never been asked before, to my knowledge - hence there are no answers to this specific question on the net. (Or if it has been asked, I can't find the answer.) For example the unique-to-the-user opera ID is explained, but not how to identify your own particular unique id. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2016...ser-vpn-proxy/ I do realize that many non expert people will try to talk me out of a proxy, but that's not the question in the least. (If I wanted to be talked out of a proxy, I wouldn't be asking this basic question seeking a Windows expert who knows how to find a unique device_id.) Ghacks says the unique device-id is the "same ID that Opera has been using for a long time" so it should be known by Windows experts how to find it: https://www.ghacks.net/2016/04/26/a-...s-browser-vpn/ Perfect Privacy says the "device_id is sent to the proxy for every browsing request and will remain permantly tied to the browser." https://www.perfect-privacy.com/blog...-not-real-vpn/ I've scoured the net for a Windows-expert method to identify the exact device-id used. I can't find a method. This is not a proxy question - nor even a browser question - nor even a security question - it's simply a Windows question for Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my exact setup? This may be of some value: https://panopticlick.eff.org/ Run it then read about the "Show full results for fingerprinting" that provides some details for you to consider on how Opera may make up their unique device_id on your system. Think cookies as you're reading the results. Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question? If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far. Bob S. |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:57:44 -0500, Bob_S wrote:
Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question? If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far. The point of the Windows expert was to keep people on topic because I know before I asked that almost nobody knows enough about Windows networking to actually answer the question (least of all me). So almost every answer, save that of Vanguard's current answer, will be off topic - because the topic is far too difficult to answer for almost all people in this ng, unless they actually *are* Windows (networking) experts. Given only one in a thousand people know Windows networking well enough to answer the question - I doubt we'll ever get the answer - because one to none of those Windows experts are on this newsgroup most likely. |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
"Chaya Eve" wrote in message news On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:57:44 -0500, Bob_S wrote: Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question? If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far. The point of the Windows expert was to keep people on topic because I know before I asked that almost nobody knows enough about Windows networking to actually answer the question (least of all me). So almost every answer, save that of Vanguard's current answer, will be off topic - because the topic is far too difficult to answer for almost all people in this ng, unless they actually *are* Windows (networking) experts. Given only one in a thousand people know Windows networking well enough to answer the question - I doubt we'll ever get the answer - because one to none of those Windows experts are on this newsgroup most likely. Chaya, From my point of view after doing some brief research on behalf of your inquiry, it is not totally a Windows issue but instead an Opera issue and you should be looking for an Opera or even perhaps a Chrome knowledgeable individual since it's based on Chrome. It's associated with Windows because you are using the Opera browser within the windows operating environment and the storage location for Opera's cookies, files and extensions is not totally dictated by Windows. If you read the reference site I included in my first post, it does offer some possible clues with the one that may be worth considering and researching further and that is Opera may be using a "Super Cookie" (ref: https://www.techopedia.com/definitio...0/super-cookie) If they do use a super cookie, I seriously doubt it will be easy to find but with enough persistence and research - you may get lucky. Then you need to know what you're looking at. But even looking at standard cookies may be what you want. If you do happen to find a cookie with an abbreviation like MUID (machine unique id) embedded in it as Bing does - that may be what you are looking for. I doubt Opera stores them in the same location as IE and from what I've read in some old posts - you could try looking in %appdata%\Opera\Opera\cookies4.dat and there is supposedly a direct toolbar link in Opera to the "Storage" section where cookies are stored. This is an old reference but contains Opera specific data format explanations: http://www.opera.com/docs/operafiles/#cookies It has a lot of info but scroll down to "Cookie file formats" near the bottom. Again, have no idea of what you are trying to do but good luck. Bob S. |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 19:35:14 -0500, Bob_S wrote:
From my point of view after doing some brief research on behalf of your inquiry, it is not totally a Windows issue but instead an Opera issue and you should be looking for an Opera or even perhaps a Chrome knowledgeable individual since it's based on Chrome. I appreciate your advice as I'm sure this has never been asked before. Certainly it has never been answered. So the chance of us solving the problem is nearly zero - but there's a chance nonetheless. The device_id, AFAIK, is generated by SurfEasy, not by Chrome. The sequential subscriber-id, AFAIK, is generated by Opera, not by Chrome. Hence, IMHO, it's not a Chrome issue. It's a Windows issue to capture it. It's also an Opera issue - but we'll never get the answer from the Opera newsgroup as there's virtually zero traffic on that ng. It's associated with Windows because you are using the Opera browser within the windows operating environment and the storage location for Opera's cookies, files and extensions is not totally dictated by Windows. If I was on Linux, I'd be asking the Linux users what Linux tools will capture the device_id & subscriber-id as it is passed back and forth through the networking protocols. As it is, I'm on Windows - so that's why I ask Windows experts how to capture a datum that is passed from the browser to the network & back. If you read the reference site I included in my first post, it does offer some possible clues with the one that may be worth considering and researching further and that is Opera may be using a "Super Cookie" (ref: https://www.techopedia.com/definitio...0/super-cookie) The "super cookie" is a red herring because it still has to be stored somewhere on Windows and it has to be passed back and forth by Windows. If they do use a super cookie, I seriously doubt it will be easy to find but with enough persistence and research - you may get lucky. Then you need to know what you're looking at. Exactly. I have to know the size of the datum, and when it's passed back and forth. I tried Wireshark and Fiddler4 but both provide too much extraneous data to catch the sequential subscriber-id and the user-specific device_id. But even looking at standard cookies may be what you want. If you do happen to find a cookie with an abbreviation like MUID (machine unique id) embedded in it as Bing does - that may be what you are looking for. I doubt Opera stores them in the same location as IE and from what I've read in some old posts - you could try looking in %appdata%\Opera\Opera\cookies4.dat and there is supposedly a direct toolbar link in Opera to the "Storage" section where cookies are stored. This is an old reference but contains Opera specific data format explanations: http://www.opera.com/docs/operafiles/#cookies It has a lot of info but scroll down to "Cookie file formats" near the bottom. Again, have no idea of what you are trying to do but good luck. I appreciate the advice as I realize nobody has ever asked this before and nobody knows the answer and Opera isn't telling and neither is SurfEasy. So I never once thought it would be easy. But maybe ... just maybe ... we'll get lucky and catch it somehow in a network sniffer... that's what I'm hoping. The Opera site generates a sequential subscriber-id which is then passed to SurfEasy who generates the unique device_id (or so I understand) so both of those have to be passed back and forth and stored somewhere. |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
Chaya Eve
news alt.windows7.general, wrote: On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:57:44 -0500, Bob_S wrote: Now - why does one have to be a Windows Expert to reply to your question? If you perhaps provided some clues as to why you need this (spoofing for instance) someone may be able to help you. If your Windows Expert request is to minimize replies - well done! Only mine so far. The point of the Windows expert was to keep people on topic because I know before I asked that almost nobody knows enough about Windows networking to actually answer the question (least of all me). So almost every answer, save that of Vanguard's current answer, will be off topic - because the topic is far too difficult to answer for almost all people in this ng, unless they actually *are* Windows (networking) experts. Given only one in a thousand people know Windows networking well enough to answer the question - I doubt we'll ever get the answer - because one to none of those Windows experts are on this newsgroup most likely. Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something you probably shouldn't be? What does Windows Networking have to do with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy? Why in the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's most likely going to be an encrypted transmission? You seem to be a bit more than lost here... -- Please visit our moderators personal page: https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php Now for a cheeky message from our sponsors: Guess it's time for Plan B, huh? |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote:
Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something you probably shouldn't be? Why do some people simply assume that if you lock your door when you leave the house, that you're hiding something illegal inside? What does Windows Networking have to do with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy? Asking that is like asking: "What does a warm coat have to do with winter weather?" Why in the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's most likely going to be an encrypted transmission? That's like asking: "Why in the world would you think that a warm coat will change the winter weather when it's most likely to be the weather that is making you cold?" You seem to be a bit more than lost here... What you call "lost" is that I'm asking a question that not only has never been asked before, but that only a Windows expert could answer. |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:30:01 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote: On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote: Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something you probably shouldn't be? Why do some people simply assume that if you lock your door when you leave the house, that you're hiding something illegal inside? Most people lock their door, but I don't know many people who take all of the steps that you take. That's probably what Diesel was getting at. What does Windows Networking have to do with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy? Asking that is like asking: "What does a warm coat have to do with winter weather?" I thought it was a valid question. "Windows Networking" isn't responsible for creating or storing either of the unique IDs in question, and by the time they're being transported, the session is encrypted. Why in the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's most likely going to be an encrypted transmission? That's like asking: "Why in the world would you think that a warm coat will change the winter weather when it's most likely to be the weather that is making you cold?" Same as above. I think he's asking a valid question. You seem to be a bit more than lost here... What you call "lost" is that I'm asking a question that not only has never been asked before, but that only a Windows expert could answer. Essentially, what you're asking is: 1. What are the two unique IDs and where are they stored? 2. Can they be manipulated to gain more privacy? For #2, it's difficult because they are in an encrypted session. You don't have the right certificate that would allow you to decrypt the session to see the values. I'm specifically referring to the one that's supposedly generated on the fly by the Surfeasy site. The behavior of that ID is similar to a session cookie in that it's generated by the server on the first request, then sent to the client with the expectation that the client will return it on each subsequent request. It's stored in memory, but likely not on disk. For #1, you might have seen examples back in July/August when you were asking the same questions in alt.os.linux. |
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For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?
Chaya Eve
news alt.windows7.general, wrote: On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 05:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote: Are you smoking something, drinking something or snorting something you probably shouldn't be? Why do some people simply assume that if you lock your door when you leave the house, that you're hiding something illegal inside? I don't know anyone who makes such assumptions, myself. If you do, something's a little off with their line of thinking... What does Windows Networking have to do with your browser creating a unique ID to use with a proxy? Asking that is like asking: "What does a warm coat have to do with winter weather?" I fail to see the comparison you're attempting to convey. You don't seem to have a firm grasp on what Windows Networking is. It has nothing directly to do with your web browser of choice. It couldn't give two ****s about it, personally. Why in the world would you think you could sniff it with wireshark when it's most likely going to be an encrypted transmission? That's like asking: "Why in the world would you think that a warm coat will change the winter weather when it's most likely to be the weather that is making you cold?" Again, a flawed comparison which makes no sense. You seem to be a bit more than lost here... What you call "lost" is that I'm asking a question that not only has never been asked before, but that only a Windows expert could answer. You don't appear to have a firm understanding of what it is you're asking and you're making some bat**** crazy assumptions with regard to who can/can't answer it. But, alas, feel free to carry on. Sometimes, I could use a good laugh. -- Please visit our moderators personal page: https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php Now for a cheeky message from our sponsors: Never hit a man with glasses. Use your fist! |
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