Windows Live Essentials 2012

I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't display
emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the program. Anyone
else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).


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On 07/06/2020 02:57, jimrx4 wrote:
I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't
display emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the
program. Anyone else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).

No we don't use that archaic software anymore.Â*Â* For eMail people these
days use Windows 10 Mail App or they use Thunderbird.Â* More savvy
peopleÂ* use Microsoft Outlook but plebs here can't afford so they just
use Mail app and/or Thunderbird.

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jimrx4 wrote:
I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't
display emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the
program. Anyone else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).


Microsoft does have the ability to blacklist programs.
Whether this is happening in your case, I don't know.

You might see something similar, if you tried to install
VPC2007 or tried to install Windows Virtual PC. They don't
allow Microsoft VM products from previous eras, to install
in the new OS.

There used to be a thing called Applocker, that can be
used to prevent things from happening too. It might well be
deprecated today. You could do useful things with that, such
as disable virtual optical drives on USB sticks that had
setup.ini files on them and the like.

02/14/2020 09:53 AM 141,399,376 wlsetup-all__14.0.8117.416_english.exe
08/06/2017 05:39 PM 137,329,840 wlsetup-all__16.4.3528.0331_2012_Wave5.exe === my test

It's possible the latter one is the one you're using.

For Microsoft Games, you can use a hex editor to change
something in the EXE file header, to allow the stuff to run.
But that's not a solution for installer behavior (the installer
would have to finish, and the issue would have to be a
runtime blocker, for hex editing to potentially work).

I'm going to try installing 2012_Wave5.exe and see what happens.

https://i.postimg.cc/rwJLm8hm/wlsetu...mail-works.gif

You can use the "Download Original" button on the web page,
to get the full resolution if it's too squashed.

When I downloaded mine, it was stored on a FAT32 volume, which
means I lost any "download blocker" alternate stream that a
web browser download sets on NTFS storage. You can check the
Properties box of wlsetup.exe and make sure it's not blocked
because it's a (potentially unsafe) download. Based on your
description, that's probably not it.

The program needs .NET 3.0, and you can go to Control Panels,
Programs and Features, Windows features, and turn on .NET 3
there with the tick box. The OS will download the same installer
file that Wlsetup would cause to be loaded. I like to do them
from Programs and Features anyway. Not that this should matter.

On the second try (with .NET 3.0 now installed), there were
no further problems here. It seems to run.

Paul

"jimrx4" wrote in message
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I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't display
emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the program. Anyone
else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).


I use WLE2009 v.14.0.8117.416 for my newsgroups only (Office Outlook and
Gmail for email). Upgrading to Win10 2004 killed mine also.

I had to delete my message store located at
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s Live
Mail\Mail.MSMessageStore. After rebooting the PC, I opened WLM and it
created a new one. It may try to pull in a back up (if there is one- it
creates one on it's own), but that didn't work for me- I lost all my
newsgroups and had to re-subscribe. Not a big deal- I really didn't need the
10 year old messages anyhow, LOL!
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"jimrx4" wrote in message
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I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't
display emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the program.
Anyone else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).


I use WLE2009 v.14.0.8117.416 for my newsgroups only (Office Outlook and
Gmail for email). Upgrading to Win10 2004 killed mine also.

I had to delete my message store located at
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s Live
Mail\Mail.MSMessageStore. After rebooting the PC, I opened WLM and it
created a new one. It may try to pull in a back up (if there is one- it
creates one on it's own), but that didn't work for me- I lost all my
newsgroups and had to re-subscribe. Not a big deal- I really didn't need
the 10 year old messages anyhow, LOL!

As a follow-up, I didn't uninstall WLE, but IIRC, when I did some years ago,
I had to re-install it as "Win7 Compatible".
HTH.

SC Tom wrote:


"jimrx4" wrote in message
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I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't
display emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the
program. Anyone else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).


I use WLE2009 v.14.0.8117.416 for my newsgroups only (Office Outlook and
Gmail for email). Upgrading to Win10 2004 killed mine also.

I had to delete my message store located at
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s Live
Mail\Mail.MSMessageStore. After rebooting the PC, I opened WLM and it
created a new one. It may try to pull in a back up (if there is one- it
creates one on it's own), but that didn't work for me- I lost all my
newsgroups and had to re-subscribe. Not a big deal- I really didn't need
the 10 year old messages anyhow, LOL!

Is that a database format of some sort, that Mail.MSMessageStore ?

Wiki says:

"Windows Live Mail stores each email message as a separate .eml file.

Only the folder structure is maintained in a single database file,
using the ESE (Extensible Storage Engine) database structure, named
Mail.MSMessageStore (which also holds some metadata for each .eml
file on the system, so can be a huge file). The program also maintains
a backup copy of that file, in the Backup sub-folder, so problems are
rare. At a pinch, the Mail.MSMessageStore file can be recreated
from the data in the .eml files."

But I doubt newsgroups are stored that way, as .eml files.

Paul

On 07/06/2020 12:25, SC Tom wrote:



I use WLE2009 v.14.0.8117.416 for my newsgroups only (Office Outlook
and Gmail for email). Upgrading to Win10 2004 killed mine also.


If you are really desperate for it then try to reinstall in
compatibility mode to see if it can install it.Â* I say try because all
windows Apps require standard libraries for the UI and latest versions
of Windows 10 may not have them.Â* Some people have downloaded all the
old Application frameworks for their development work as they are
compatible with Visual Studio up to 2019 (16.6.*).

Frankly, you guys have to be wiser than worrying about old, archaic apps
that are no longer fit for purpose.Â* When people buy new household item,
they expect to use the new features;Â* They don't simply start removing
all the new features that they know nothing about.Â* They don't use them
until they have mastered them.

People should be forced to re-educate themselves by attending night
school once a week or at weekend even if they are taught something
really basic!!Â* Education is a good thing to keep brain ticking even in
your old age!


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jimrx4 wrote:
I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't display
emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the program. Anyone
else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).

If I were you, I would bite the bullet and switch to another email
(and News?) client.

Windows Live Mail (I assume that's what you mean, because there's no
'Windows Live Essentials 2012', just 'Windows Essentials 2012') was
broken from day one and got worse ever since.

Which other email client? Probably Thunderbird, as being 'the best in
a flat set of tyres'.

FWIW, end of last year I tried to re-install WLM (don't ask why) on
Windows 8.1. After a lot of trouble, I finally got the *British English*
(the Universal English one didn't work) Installer (106MB) to work.

I got it from this weird link (gotten from some Microsoft employee in
some Microsoft Forum post, it's apparently no longer available from
Microsoft itself):

http://web.archive.org/web/20160423192125/http:/wl.dlservice.microsoft.com/download/1/9/4/194B1919-A211-441F-BC0E-34F6B533B876/en-gb/wlsetup-all.exe

If you can't get the re-install to work, then note the error(s) yous
get and research that in Google. That's how I got my install to work.

Hope this helps and good luck.

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SC Tom wrote:


"jimrx4" wrote in message
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I've used Windows Live Essentials 2012 for greater than 8 years. Just
deployed Windows 10 (64-bit) 2004 and it killed the program. Can't
display emails. After uninstalling it cannot even re-install the
program. Anyone else find this. (Yes, I use GMail also).


I use WLE2009 v.14.0.8117.416 for my newsgroups only (Office Outlook and
Gmail for email). Upgrading to Win10 2004 killed mine also.

I had to delete my message store located at
C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Window s Live
Mail\Mail.MSMessageStore. After rebooting the PC, I opened WLM and it
created a new one. It may try to pull in a back up (if there is one- it
creates one on it's own), but that didn't work for me- I lost all my
newsgroups and had to re-subscribe. Not a big deal- I really didn't need
the 10 year old messages anyhow, LOL!

Is that a database format of some sort, that Mail.MSMessageStore ?

Wiki says:

"Windows Live Mail stores each email message as a separate .eml file.

Only the folder structure is maintained in a single database file,
using the ESE (Extensible Storage Engine) database structure, named
Mail.MSMessageStore (which also holds some metadata for each .eml
file on the system, so can be a huge file). The program also maintains
a backup copy of that file, in the Backup sub-folder, so problems are
rare. At a pinch, the Mail.MSMessageStore file can be recreated
from the data in the .eml files."

But I doubt newsgroups are stored that way, as .eml files.

I not sure what the format is. Maybe if it was deleted on the OP's PC he
wouldn't lose his emails, if they're stored as .eml files. I don't use WLM
for email, just as a newsreader.
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