Slow Firefox

In message , Mr Pounder Esquire
writes



Well, I followed Paul's advice and turned off hardware acceleration in
Firebox (it's in "Advanced" and is easy to ignore) and all has been fine
all day long.

Mine's been off 'for ever'. For fun, I'll try things with it on!










--
Ian

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| I too have a hosts file, but I still sometimes see FF waiting for a site
| that I've got blocked there (google-analytics being one I notice a lot);
| I can only presume that's because some script that _is_ running is
| trying to interrogate that site, and I have no control over that. (Any
| thoughts, other than blocking _all_ scripts?)
|

I don't know what goes on there. I just tried
an experiment, loading numerous webpages, because
I know I've seen the kind of thing you describe.
All loaded almost instantly except one that showed
it was calling fonts.googleapis.com for about 1
second. I have that domain in my HOSTS file. So
why did it try to reach that domain? I've seen the
theory that the problem is using 127.0.0.1 and that
127.0.0.0 is better, but I've never tried that.

I heard that, and used it for a while, with to be honest no difference
that I noticed. Then in another discussion on the subject, someone said
you can use 0 (just a single character) instead of 127.0.0.1/0, and I
am, and it seems to work fine. (Can't say I've noticed any positive
difference either, but it must at least infinitesimally speed the
loading and parsing of the hosts file.)

Or was it just that the status bar didn't update
quickly? The page was loaded while it seemed to be
waiting on Google. I don't know the explanation.

Could be.

But I don't think I've ever seen it pause for more
than about 1 second.

It can't be script because I block all script most
of the time. (I use Pale Moon with all sorts of things
disabled for most activity. I use FF with NoScript
only when I need to allow interaction. That's not
actually very often.)



It's very odd: when I read your post, the lines in it showed (in my
newsreader) as about the same length as the lines in the chunk of my
previous post that you quoted - but in this reply that I'm typing now,
my newsreader has broken your post into lines that are no more than
about two-thirds as long as they were. (But all fairly uniform - no
long-then-short - so I don't think it can be hard vs. soft returns; most
puzzling.)
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In message , Ian Jackson
writes
In message , Mr Pounder Esquire
writes



Well, I followed Paul's advice and turned off hardware acceleration in
Firebox (it's in "Advanced" and is easy to ignore) and all has been fine
all day long.

Mine's been off 'for ever'. For fun, I'll try things with it on!

Well.........

I've turned it on - and FF definitely seem to be a bit quicker (although
it does take some time to get up to speed).

I'll leave it on, and monitor things for a few days.
--
Ian

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Wolf K
writes
On 2018-01-31 01:19, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:42:09 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Sorry to have to ask here. The XP groups are not doing very much.
I've tried the Mozilla groups and got nowhere.
I reverted to Firefox v41 and turned off update nagging.
It runs much faster now, and only crashes once a fortnight instead
of
7 times a day.
But every time I run it it tells me how much faster the latest
version
is. So much for truth in advertising.

FF 52.6.0 ESR, no problems, Win8.1 Home 64bit, no auto-updating for
anything.

With my XP Pro, 32-bit, FF 52.6.0 ESR now takes at least a minute to
'get up to speed' after launch. It's often not too happy with those
websites that carry a lot of additional baggage. It usually helps if
run with the addons disabled.

I also find it helps to have a dummy (unused) session of FF running -
and if I then launch another session, that starts quite quickly.

Well, I followed Paul's advice and turned off hardware acceleration in
Firebox (it's in "Advanced" and is easy to ignore) and all has been
fine all day long. I tried youtube, no problems.
Tonight I have just turned off and on computer twice. Firefox/Google
has loaded like lightning, like it used to do.
Also, believe it or not, this old computer seems to have booted up a
lot faster, and I don't understand why.
I just hope it lasts. Touches wood .............
Many thanks to Paul.
Are you the guy that helped me out with a television aerial a few
years ago?

It was fine for a few hours today, then it slowed down again. Aww well,
cleaning the browser with Revo Uninstaller only takes a few seconds.

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Wolf K
writes
On 2018-01-31 01:19, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:42:09 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Sorry to have to ask here. The XP groups are not doing very much.
I've tried the Mozilla groups and got nowhere.
I reverted to Firefox v41 and turned off update nagging.
It runs much faster now, and only crashes once a fortnight
instead of
7 times a day.
But every time I run it it tells me how much faster the latest
version
is. So much for truth in advertising.

FF 52.6.0 ESR, no problems, Win8.1 Home 64bit, no auto-updating for
anything.

With my XP Pro, 32-bit, FF 52.6.0 ESR now takes at least a minute to
'get up to speed' after launch. It's often not too happy with those
websites that carry a lot of additional baggage. It usually helps if
run with the addons disabled.

I also find it helps to have a dummy (unused) session of FF running
- and if I then launch another session, that starts quite quickly.

Well, I followed Paul's advice and turned off hardware acceleration
in Firebox (it's in "Advanced" and is easy to ignore) and all has
been fine all day long. I tried youtube, no problems.
Tonight I have just turned off and on computer twice. Firefox/Google
has loaded like lightning, like it used to do.
Also, believe it or not, this old computer seems to have booted up a
lot faster, and I don't understand why.
I just hope it lasts. Touches wood .............
Many thanks to Paul.
Are you the guy that helped me out with a television aerial a few
years ago?

It was fine for a few hours today, then it slowed down again. Aww
well, cleaning the browser with Revo Uninstaller only takes a few
seconds.

Just rolled Firefox back to version 51.0.1.
Sod the security warnings and "thou should not be doing this!"
I'll report back.

seems to me like you may be having a position problem of data,
which is the silly reasons they made the new browsers telling others
that your browser is out of daTE crap. oF COURSE most of the people
get told this, but it is a gimik just to make you download the better
browser.
So they say its better. Until when? Its all in the programming as to if
the page appears fast or not. Or even appears.
The more times they vamp the browsers, the more times they cause
complexity issues to take place in page loads. They keep getting larger
as in too much programming causing the crash. There is no way, one
company can keep up after a world full of changing webpages. And make
them all work. Especially since they moved the formatting, which was a
big boo boo as far as economics is concerned. Most people will not
upgrade because of to much trouble. Which causes them to loose
customers. Of course, they dont think of that when they play all these
programming games.

Something is going to give eventually. Though Mozilla seems to be doing
better than Microsoft that is most certain.

We are using quantum, and it seems very fast. a no wait thing. Its the
newer version.
And it is working, but you can also see format changes between of an
older version browser page, and the new one. Stuff runs to the right of
the center. And yes, the older browser gets slow because it cannot put
up with corporate media. What is
the page you load as your home page? Change it, to something older, and
it may make speed change in start up. This is just a guess. You may
also have a differ issue.

On 1/30/2018 10:42 AM, Mr Pounder Esquire scribbled:
Sorry to have to ask here. The XP groups are not doing very much.
I've tried the Mozilla groups and got nowhere.

Using XP and Firefox 52.5.3 esr 32 bit. I've
been using this version for quite a while.
Only search engine is Google which has always loaded fast, I have
over 100 download speed.
Everyday for the last couple of months Firefox and Google have been taking
over 20 seconds to load. This is very slow to what it used to be.
Once loaded webpages open immediately.
I've done Refresh Firefox and delete Profiles. This works for a few
hours, then Firefox slows down again. Re-downloading Firefox made no
difference.
If I use Revo Uninstaller and clean the Browser, all is fine for a
few hours, then the problem returns. Use Revo again - and all is fine.
Computer is clean.
No cookies and no history. I sort of know how to configure Firefox.
I would appreciate any suggestions.

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Wolf K
writes
On 2018-01-31 01:19, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:42:09 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Sorry to have to ask here. The XP groups are not doing very
much. I've tried the Mozilla groups and got nowhere.
I reverted to Firefox v41 and turned off update nagging.
It runs much faster now, and only crashes once a fortnight
instead of
7 times a day.
But every time I run it it tells me how much faster the latest
version
is. So much for truth in advertising.

FF 52.6.0 ESR, no problems, Win8.1 Home 64bit, no auto-updating
for anything.

With my XP Pro, 32-bit, FF 52.6.0 ESR now takes at least a minute
to 'get up to speed' after launch. It's often not too happy with
those websites that carry a lot of additional baggage. It usually
helps if run with the addons disabled.

I also find it helps to have a dummy (unused) session of FF running
- and if I then launch another session, that starts quite quickly.

Well, I followed Paul's advice and turned off hardware acceleration
in Firebox (it's in "Advanced" and is easy to ignore) and all has
been fine all day long. I tried youtube, no problems.
Tonight I have just turned off and on computer twice.
Firefox/Google has loaded like lightning, like it used to do.
Also, believe it or not, this old computer seems to have booted up a
lot faster, and I don't understand why.
I just hope it lasts. Touches wood .............
Many thanks to Paul.
Are you the guy that helped me out with a television aerial a few
years ago?

It was fine for a few hours today, then it slowed down again. Aww
well, cleaning the browser with Revo Uninstaller only takes a few
seconds.

Just rolled Firefox back to version 51.0.1.
Sod the security warnings and "thou should not be doing this!"
I'll report back.

Reporting back.
Rolling back made no difference.
Not that it really matters, Revo cleans the browser in a few seconds.
But ............. why is this happening?

Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Wolf K
writes
On 2018-01-31 01:19, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018 18:42:09 -0000, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Sorry to have to ask here. The XP groups are not doing very
much. I've tried the Mozilla groups and got nowhere.
I reverted to Firefox v41 and turned off update nagging.
It runs much faster now, and only crashes once a fortnight
instead of
7 times a day.
But every time I run it it tells me how much faster the latest
version
is. So much for truth in advertising.

FF 52.6.0 ESR, no problems, Win8.1 Home 64bit, no auto-updating
for anything.

With my XP Pro, 32-bit, FF 52.6.0 ESR now takes at least a minute
to 'get up to speed' after launch. It's often not too happy with
those websites that carry a lot of additional baggage. It usually
helps if run with the addons disabled.

I also find it helps to have a dummy (unused) session of FF running
- and if I then launch another session, that starts quite quickly.
Well, I followed Paul's advice and turned off hardware acceleration
in Firebox (it's in "Advanced" and is easy to ignore) and all has
been fine all day long. I tried youtube, no problems.
Tonight I have just turned off and on computer twice.
Firefox/Google has loaded like lightning, like it used to do.
Also, believe it or not, this old computer seems to have booted up a
lot faster, and I don't understand why.
I just hope it lasts. Touches wood .............
Many thanks to Paul.
Are you the guy that helped me out with a television aerial a few
years ago?
It was fine for a few hours today, then it slowed down again. Aww
well, cleaning the browser with Revo Uninstaller only takes a few
seconds.
Just rolled Firefox back to version 51.0.1.
Sod the security warnings and "thou should not be doing this!"
I'll report back.

Reporting back.
Rolling back made no difference.
Not that it really matters, Revo cleans the browser in a few seconds.
But ............. why is this happening?

All I can tell you, is I'm seeing a slowdown in Firefox on my
Win10 machine. They tell me it's related to the Javascript advertising
scripts that have to load, but I'm not totally convinced at the moment.
It kinda smells like a Windows Defender problem. The browser activity
icon is still working - it would work asynchronous to everything
else, and is not a real progress indicator at all. It's a hood ornament.
Still, if bobbles away, while I'm waiting. I'm suspecting something
networking related, under the control of Windows Defender and friends
has something to do with mine.

Do I want to spend time debugging it ? :-/

I need "hints" to keep me interested. And I need
some sort of evidence it's a problem I have a possibility
of fixing. There's no hints yet for mine, except the suspicion
the OS is doing this (somehow). Which is not something
I expect to be able to fix. I've turned off Windows Defender real
time before, and that doesn't actually stop the engine from
running. It merely gives the partial appearance it's disabled.
A lot of other AVs do this stuff too - the heuristic detection
may continue to run, while the signature scanning stops.

Paul