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  #1  
Old April 23rd 15, 10:30 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Win7 in boot-loop. Help!

Hi, during the installation my new video card I didn't realize
that the sata cable was unplugged from my ssd (Samsung 850 Evo).
My system have two hdd in raid 0 configuration and a 1Tb
hdd.
I tried to use the command bootrec.exe messing a bit until i
realized that the cable was unplugged from ssd.
When i re-plugged the ssd unit i have the system in boot-loop.
My friend told me to use the command bootsec.exe /nt60 all
and the system gave me this result:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkiwx2tq5e...pgbr / ?dl=0
and restart e restore the system but i didn't fix the issue.
Then i tried the following guide:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-recovery.html
But when i see the content of Regback dir i don't find files and
subdirectories.
I tried to unplug all disks keeping ssd unit only, but i have the
same issue
How can I solve it?
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Old April 23rd 15, 11:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Win7 in boot-loop. Help!

Freejazz wrote:
Hi, during the installation my new video card I didn't realize
that the sata cable was unplugged from my ssd (Samsung 850 Evo).
My system have two hdd in raid 0 configuration and a 1Tb
hdd.
I tried to use the command bootrec.exe messing a bit until i
realized that the cable was unplugged from ssd.
When i re-plugged the ssd unit i have the system in boot-loop.
My friend told me to use the command bootsec.exe /nt60 all
and the system gave me this result:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkiwx2tq5e...br / ?dl=0
and restart e restore the system but i didn't fix the issue.
Then i tried the following guide:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-recovery.html
But when i see the content of Regback dir i don't find files and
subdirectories.
I tried to unplug all disks keeping ssd unit only, but i have the
same issue
How can I solve it?


The problem the people here had, is no RAID driver in
the recovery console. Something you might rectify by
constructing a custom recovery CD.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-b27d426a6811

"I boot from dvd to Recovery Environment, operation
systems list is empty. Press Load Drivers find AMD
RAID drivers on motherboard drivers disk and successfully
load it. But operation systems list is still empty. But
when again press Load Drivers, I can see and explore my
system disk, view folders and files! How to bring it to
operation systems list? Without this recovery system is
not work properly (for example registry access)."

If I was sitting in front of the machine, one of my
steps would be to enter the BIOS setup screen,
press "control-I" or whatever the manual tells you
is the hotkey sequence for the RAID setup screen,
and review whether the SSD drive(s) status
still says "RAID 0 array". Or whether the thing
has reverted to two separate disks or something.
That's a check to see if you could possibly
have done any damage or not.

A RAID0 stripe should really stop instantly,
if the array status goes to FAILED. And it
goes to FAILED, if the cable falls off either
disk. There is no DEGRADED status for RAID0.

You really shouldn't use RAID0 for C:. If you
do want to operate that way, you should make
*daily* backups of the C: partition, to your
1TB hard drive. Then you could do a restore and
get yourself out of this mess.

One piece of information you might get from the
BIOS screen, is the block size of the interleave.
The stripe alternates between drive 0 and drive 1,
when it comes to actual storage. It might switch
back and forth every 64KB or every 128KB, as
examples of typical values. You can "de-interleave"
the SSD contents, and transfer it to a regular
hard drive, Then attempt to do maintenance or repair
on the single hard drive, in AHCI mode. That would be
a way of taking "RAID" out of the situation. This is
why, when using RAID, it is important to write down
critical details about the RAID setup. Like, which drive
is Drive0 (has the MBR), which drive is Drive1,
and what the block size of the interleave happens
to be. That info is all recorded in the metadata, but
if you need to triage the two SSDs on a foreign system,
the metadata might not be accessible there.

RAID is *not* recommended for home users. Period. And
end of story. It's just too much work. Too much
forward planning is required. Too many test cases
to run, to prove you "deserve a RAID drivers license".
It takes a lot of work, to be prepared for days like this.
Buy an SSD which is twice as fast (on a desktop, this
would be an SSD on PCI-Express card, rather than a
SATA SSD). This is not practical on a laptop, but is
an option for desktops.

(Example of the concept... Much research required.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA4S81Z32403

Paul
  #3  
Old April 23rd 15, 12:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default Win7 in boot-loop. Help!

On 04/23/2015 04:30 AM, Freejazz wrote:

Hi, during the installation my new video card I didn't realize
that the sata cable was unplugged from my ssd (Samsung 850 Evo).
My system have two hdd in raid 0 configuration and a 1Tb
hdd.
I tried to use the command bootrec.exe messing a bit until i
realized that the cable was unplugged from ssd.
When i re-plugged the ssd unit i have the system in boot-loop.
My friend told me to use the command bootsec.exe /nt60 all
and the system gave me this result:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkiwx2tq5e...br / ?dl=0







snip



Keep in that line and you will seriously destroy your system

you need to recreate your RAID identically to the way you originally had it

  #4  
Old April 23rd 15, 05:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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Default Win7 in boot-loop. Help!

Paul ha scritto:
Freejazz wrote:
Hi, during the installation my new video card I didn't realize
that the sata cable was unplugged from my ssd (Samsung 850 Evo).
My system have two hdd in raid 0 configuration and a 1Tb
hdd.
I tried to use the command bootrec.exe messing a bit until i
realized that the cable was unplugged from ssd.
When i re-plugged the ssd unit i have the system in boot-loop.
My friend told me to use the command bootsec.exe /nt60 all
and the system gave me this result:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bkiwx2tq5e...br / ?dl=0
and restart e restore the system but i didn't fix the issue.
Then i tried the following guide:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-recovery.html
But when i see the content of Regback dir i don't find files and
subdirectories.
I tried to unplug all disks keeping ssd unit only, but i have the
same issue
How can I solve it?


The problem the people here had, is no RAID driver in
the recovery console. Something you might rectify by
constructing a custom recovery CD.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...b-b27d426a6811

"I boot from dvd to Recovery Environment, operation
systems list is empty. Press Load Drivers find AMD
RAID drivers on motherboard drivers disk and successfully
load it. But operation systems list is still empty. But
when again press Load Drivers, I can see and explore my
system disk, view folders and files! How to bring it to
operation systems list? Without this recovery system is
not work properly (for example registry access)."

If I was sitting in front of the machine, one of my
steps would be to enter the BIOS setup screen,
press "control-I" or whatever the manual tells you
is the hotkey sequence for the RAID setup screen,
and review whether the SSD drive(s) status
still says "RAID 0 array". Or whether the thing

[CUT]

Thank you for reply both Paul and Philo for preciouses info.
I explained not right that installation Windows was in ssd in no
raid configuration.
I have two others Velociraptor disks in raid 0 but there isn't Win
installation.
I have another 1Tb disk in my system.
Then the main disk is only one ssd i wrote...

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Old April 23rd 15, 11:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Freejazz wrote:


Thank you for reply both Paul and Philo for preciouses info.
I explained not right that installation Windows was in ssd in no
raid configuration.
I have two others Velociraptor disks in raid 0 but there isn't Win
installation.
I have another 1Tb disk in my system.
Then the main disk is only one ssd i wrote...


OK, so explain "what is a boot loop".

You're seeing the system start booting, then stop at some point
and restart, repeating the broken sequence all over again.

What are the steps that you see on the screen ?

*******

The Windows 7 DVD repair options, probably do as much
as you can attempt to do by hand.

This page has an extensive recipe, probably too extensive.

https://neosmart.net/wiki/recovering...ws-bootloader/

You can probably run "bcdedit" from the Recovery Console.
I assume when it asks to log into a particular C: partition,
that's how bcdedit will know what BCD file contents to display.

Paul


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Old April 24th 15, 01:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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Paul ha scritto:

OK, so explain "what is a boot loop".

You're seeing the system start booting, then stop at some point
and restart, repeating the broken sequence all over again.

What are the steps that you see on the screen ?


The system reboot few seconds after it shows the Windows logo and
4 flags/colors merge.
*******

The Windows 7 DVD repair options, probably do as much
as you can attempt to do by hand.

This page has an extensive recipe, probably too extensive.

https://neosmart.net/wiki/recovering...ws-bootloader/

You can probably run "bcdedit" from the Recovery Console.
I assume when it asks to log into a particular C: partition,
that's how bcdedit will know what BCD file contents to display.

Paul

On 4th step when i insert bootrec.exe /fixmbr the system gives me
that doesn't find the path specified.
The same results unfortunately i have for attrib and bcdedit
/createstore x:\ boot\bcd.temp
(My drive letter is X)

When I insert dir command in X root I don't find boot directory
(but only setup.exe; Program Files, sources, Users and Windows
directories)
But i read ahead "Volume in drive X is Boot....and Volume serial
number..."


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Old April 24th 15, 04:20 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Freejazz wrote:
Paul ha scritto:
OK, so explain "what is a boot loop".

You're seeing the system start booting, then stop at some point
and restart, repeating the broken sequence all over again.

What are the steps that you see on the screen ?


The system reboot few seconds after it shows the Windows logo and
4 flags/colors merge.
*******

The Windows 7 DVD repair options, probably do as much
as you can attempt to do by hand.

This page has an extensive recipe, probably too extensive.

https://neosmart.net/wiki/recovering...ws-bootloader/

You can probably run "bcdedit" from the Recovery Console.
I assume when it asks to log into a particular C: partition,
that's how bcdedit will know what BCD file contents to display.

Paul

On 4th step when i insert bootrec.exe /fixmbr the system gives me
that doesn't find the path specified.
The same results unfortunately i have for attrib and bcdedit
/createstore x:\ boot\bcd.temp
(My drive letter is X)

When I insert dir command in X root I don't find boot directory
(but only setup.exe; Program Files, sources, Users and Windows
directories)
But i read ahead "Volume in drive X is Boot....and Volume serial
number..."



Be very careful about which volume is which.

Try out diskpart and "list volume" or something, and try
and verify which item is which in there. That way, you
may be able to issue the command to the correct
storage device.

OK, I can emulate this, using my Win7 VM. I have two
physical Windows 7 installs right now, but they're single
partition (no boot partition in a System Reserved). Only
my VM has two partitions. Let's see what it's got. I will
boot the Windows 7 installer DVD there, and ask it to log
into the only C: present.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2q3xki8.jpg

X:\sources --- when I ran diskpart, this dir was the current dir

E GRMCHPFRER --- This is the boot DVD
C System Reserved --- This contains C:\Boot\BCD
D Win7 --- This is the actual C: drive

Once I exit diskpart, I try this

C:
dir

and the thing is virtually empty. I have to do

dir /A:H C:
dir /A:H C:\Boot --- see the binary BCD file here

in order to see C:\Boot contents.

I don't understand at the moment, what the
difference is between E: and X: . E: looks like
the DVD itself. Whereas X: looks almost virtual,
like a RAM Disk maybe ?

I would not "createstore" on X:, I'd
do it on C: which is System Reserved. On a two
partition install {C:, System Reserved}, System Reserved
is the one with the boot flag set on it. And that's
where the first steps of booting vector to.

Paul
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Old April 24th 15, 10:28 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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Paul ha scritto:

Be very careful about which volume is which.

Try out diskpart and "list volume" or something, and try
and verify which item is which in there. That way, you
may be able to issue the command to the correct
storage device.

OK, I can emulate this, using my Win7 VM. I have two
physical Windows 7 installs right now, but they're single
partition (no boot partition in a System Reserved). Only
my VM has two partitions. Let's see what it's got. I will
boot the Windows 7 installer DVD there, and ask it to log
into the only C: present.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2q3xki8.jpg

X:\sources --- when I ran diskpart, this dir was the current dir

E GRMCHPFRER --- This is the boot DVD
C System Reserved --- This contains C:\Boot\BCD
D Win7 --- This is the actual C: drive

Once I exit diskpart, I try this

[Cut]

When i insert list volume in diskpart i read only Volume 0 Ltr D
CdRom..
Only this unit!!

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Old April 24th 15, 12:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Freejazz wrote:
Paul ha scritto:
Be very careful about which volume is which.

Try out diskpart and "list volume" or something, and try
and verify which item is which in there. That way, you
may be able to issue the command to the correct
storage device.

OK, I can emulate this, using my Win7 VM. I have two
physical Windows 7 installs right now, but they're single
partition (no boot partition in a System Reserved). Only
my VM has two partitions. Let's see what it's got. I will
boot the Windows 7 installer DVD there, and ask it to log
into the only C: present.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2q3xki8.jpg

X:\sources --- when I ran diskpart, this dir was the current dir

E GRMCHPFRER --- This is the boot DVD
C System Reserved --- This contains C:\Boot\BCD
D Win7 --- This is the actual C: drive

Once I exit diskpart, I try this

[Cut]

When i insert list volume in diskpart i read only Volume 0 Ltr D
CdRom..
Only this unit!!


So what do you conclude from this ?

Severe file system damage ?

Or the Recovery Console isn't mounting the volume
for some reason (no driver) ?

Perhaps it is time to get TestDisk on the job.
And see if any files on the missing partitions,
can be seen or not.

TestDisk can be run from Windows or Linux. Since your
WIndows is broken, you could use a Linux LiveCD perhaps.
This scans for partitions, but also has an option to
view the files on a partition (only possible if
there isn't severe damage). The purpose of the tool
is to recompute the partition table, but in this
case, the file viewing part of the thing is what
I'd want.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

There has to be some reason why DiskPart cannot
see the material in question, right ?

The Linux LiveCD should be able to view the partitions.
If it cannot, then TestDisk can be used as the next
step.

Paul
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Old April 24th 15, 01:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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Paul ha scritto:

So what do you conclude from this ?

Severe file system damage ?


No, i don't. Because i unplugged others hdds (raid disks and 1Tb
single disk) and i left only ssd unit.....

Or the Recovery Console isn't mounting the volume
for some reason (no driver) ?

Perhaps it is time to get TestDisk on the job.
And see if any files on the missing partitions,
can be seen or not.

TestDisk can be run from Windows or Linux. Since your
WIndows is broken, you could use a Linux LiveCD perhaps.
This scans for partitions, but also has an option to
view the files on a partition (only possible if
there isn't severe damage). The purpose of the tool
is to recompute the partition table, but in this
case, the file viewing part of the thing is what
I'd want.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

There has to be some reason why DiskPart cannot
see the material in question, right ?

The Linux LiveCD should be able to view the partitions.
If it cannot, then TestDisk can be used as the next
step.

Paul

Ok. I'll try.... '-(

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Old April 28th 15, 01:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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Paul ha scritto:

Or the Recovery Console isn't mounting the volume
for some reason (no driver) ?

Perhaps it is time to get TestDisk on the job.
And see if any files on the missing partitions,
can be seen or not.

TestDisk can be run from Windows or Linux. Since your
WIndows is broken, you could use a Linux LiveCD perhaps.
This scans for partitions, but also has an option to
view the files on a partition (only possible if
there isn't severe damage). The purpose of the tool
is to recompute the partition table, but in this
case, the file viewing part of the thing is what
I'd want.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

There has to be some reason why DiskPart cannot
see the material in question, right ?

The Linux LiveCD should be able to view the partitions.
If it cannot, then TestDisk can be used as the next
step.

Paul

Ok Paul.
I've just booted from Linux Cd and i can see my 120Gb ssd unit
with diretories.
What do i do now?
How can i use TestDisk in Linux Os.
Can i recover my Windows installation?
Thanks!!

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Old April 28th 15, 01:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , says...

Paul ha scritto:

Or the Recovery Console isn't mounting the volume
for some reason (no driver) ?

Perhaps it is time to get TestDisk on the job.
And see if any files on the missing partitions,
can be seen or not.

TestDisk can be run from Windows or Linux. Since your
WIndows is broken, you could use a Linux LiveCD perhaps.
This scans for partitions, but also has an option to
view the files on a partition (only possible if
there isn't severe damage). The purpose of the tool
is to recompute the partition table, but in this
case, the file viewing part of the thing is what
I'd want.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk

There has to be some reason why DiskPart cannot
see the material in question, right ?

The Linux LiveCD should be able to view the partitions.
If it cannot, then TestDisk can be used as the next
step.

Paul

Ok Paul.
I've just booted from Linux Cd and i can see my 120Gb ssd unit
with diretories.
What do i do now?
How can i use TestDisk in Linux Os.
Can i recover my Windows installation?
Thanks!!


If you can see the drive with folders and files when booting to a Linux
disk is good news. Now get a second external drive and try and copy
everything from the original drive to it. Then test what that drive does
when inserted back into original pc.

Note : it may have more than one partition on it which complicates the
procedure. You should check for that. Unsure how using Linux.

Least that's what I'd be trying next
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Old April 28th 15, 03:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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pjp ha scritto:

If you can see the drive with folders and files when booting to a Linux
disk is good news. Now get a second external drive and try and copy
everything from the original drive to it. Then test what that drive does
when inserted back into original pc.

Note : it may have more than one partition on it which complicates the
procedure. You should check for that. Unsure how using Linux.

Least that's what I'd be trying next


My ssd has only one partition.
You mean to copy everything in second hard disk and try to boot
from it.
At this point i can format the ssd and re-copy from hdd to ssd all
thing.
In this way could it work?


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Old April 28th 15, 04:26 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Freejazz wrote:
pjp ha scritto:
If you can see the drive with folders and files when booting to a Linux
disk is good news. Now get a second external drive and try and copy
everything from the original drive to it. Then test what that drive does
when inserted back into original pc.

Note : it may have more than one partition on it which complicates the
procedure. You should check for that. Unsure how using Linux.

Least that's what I'd be trying next


My ssd has only one partition.
You mean to copy everything in second hard disk and try to boot
from it.
At this point i can format the ssd and re-copy from hdd to ssd all
thing.
In this way could it work?


Does the installation DVD repair procedure make
the SSD bootable ? Is any Windows environment able
to see the files, or only Linux ? Seems strange.
I'm not even sure what support Linux has for
GPT, if that's how the SSD is partitioned.

But it's a good sign if you can see files.

You can see here, when a Windows installer DVD is
booted, and you don't install with it, there are
options to do other things. Automatic repair
is one of them, to get a boot partition to boot
again.

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...ickcommand.jpg

While the article for that may not be
exactly what you need, that site has all sorts
of tutorials you can look at.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-recovery.html

If you want to try re-cloning the SSD, that's fine
too. I'm the curious type, so I'd probably attempt
the automated repair, to see if it can actually
be fixed or not.

Paul
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Old April 28th 15, 10:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Freejazz
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Paul ha scritto:

Does the installation DVD repair procedure make
the SSD bootable ? Is any Windows environment able
to see the files, or only Linux ? Seems strange.


Only with Linux i can see the unit and files..

I'm not even sure what support Linux has for
GPT, if that's how the SSD is partitioned.

But it's a good sign if you can see files.

You can see here, when a Windows installer DVD is
booted, and you don't install with it, there are
options to do other things. Automatic repair
is one of them, to get a boot partition to boot
again.


I tried many times Automatic Repair in Windows but it doesn't see
my unit.
For the Windows system doesn't exist.
You can read first posts

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachmen...ickcommand.jpg

While the article for that may not be
exactly what you need, that site has all sorts
of tutorials you can look at.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...-recovery.html


I wrote one week ago a help question but i didn't get replies..

If you want to try re-cloning the SSD, that's fine


Ok. But i cannot to paste files (Linux environment) new volume
(the command Paste doesn't appear).


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