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What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a
working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. |
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Mike S wrote:
What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. For my money there is no substitute for cloning the current drive to another. It is an immediate answer to the type of problem you describe above. Images work, but take time. A clone is immediate and you are working again. For the cloning there are several answers, but I have seen Casper work, and it is worth looking into. |
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Mike S wrote:
What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. Use Returnil. It will virtualize all disk I/O after being activated which means everything to the hard disk, including the registry (since that is stored in .dat files), can be discarded on a reboot. After activating its safe mode, all changes made thereafter are gone after a reboot. Just reboot and you're back to where you were. So the "restore" is just the time it takes you to reboot your computer. And it's free. This doesn't obviate the need for backups since, after all, hard disks go bad. However, for the scenario you presented or for any computer to which physical access is granted to others, Returnil makes a great way to let others putz and fark your computer and just a reboot brings it back to a known good state. While it's free, there is a payware version with more features. Both versions can be password protected so others cannot change its configuration. You can either activate Returnil when you want, like before you do something you think might be hazardous or you just want to test something and completely wipe it afterward, or you can configure it to activate everytime your computer boots up so it's always protected. Schools use Returnil because they can schedule a reboot of their class computers (or have the power cycled on them) so those computers are back to a clean state the next morning for the next class. Users running kiosk computers can use this (although there are also kiosk software utilities) so they can let anyone use their computer but have an immediate method of wiping out all changes, good or bad, made by those users. I use it to protect the state of my hard disk when I want to trial some software (that doesn't require a reboot to complete its install else the reboot would wipe all changes so the install would disappear - I only have the free version, not the paid version that would let me elect to save changes). While a virtual machine is a more isolated environment to test unknown or untrusted software, all hardware except the CPU is emulated by software which means the virtual machine runs slow. Everything crawls that you run inside a VM. Virtualizing just the disk I/O incurs almost no impact to responsiveness of the computer and you get access to your real hardware, so everything runs at native speed on your computer when using Returnil. While the video card in a VM is virtualized, slow, and is old software-emulated hardware which means you won't want to play anything more than some crossword puzzle game in a VM, you can run your video game while protected by Returnil and it'll use the real video card and run at full speed. Paragon, Macrium, and Easeus all have freeware backup programs. I'm using the Workstation (payware) version of Easeus ToDo Backup. They all let you create a bootable CD so you can run their restore program even when the OS on the hard disk won't load. There is a WinPE version of the bootable CD but you have to buy the payware version to use that. It lets you boot into a Windows environment upon which their backup/restore program will load which gives you the opportunity of using Windows tools for more advanced recovery. The free versions come with a Linux-based bootable rescue CD. These are backup programs. The Easeus product lets you create full backup and the much smaller incremental backups. The doctor may not know how far back he wants to restore his computer and just one backup, like a clone, means he can only go back one image - AND it assumes that the cloned hard disk doesn't have the same problems as the master hard disk that you cloned. If the computer is infected and you do a clone then your only backup, the clone, is also infected. Cloning is easy but requires you have another hard disk of equal or greater size on which to store the image. You can then later simply swap in the other hard disk for the bad one (the hard disk went bad or the OS won't boot anymore). Cloning is really for hardware recovery: your hard disk failed, you swap in the cloned hard disk, and you continue working while you get a replacement hard disk on the side. Backups are for when you want the availability of restoring your computer back to more than one prior state. |
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Ken wrote:
Mike S wrote: What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. For my money there is no substitute for cloning the current drive to another. It is an immediate answer to the type of problem you describe above. Images work, but take time. A clone is immediate and you are working again. For the cloning there are several answers, but I have seen Casper work, and it is worth looking into. (ATI (Acronis) can also clone (or image), but Casper may be easier to use). But with cloning he'll (presumably) have to physically swap the drives, and with imaging, he won't have to do that. But I agree, at least in some ways, cloning seems "simpler" and less techie. |
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"Mike S" schreef in bericht
... What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. I have been using Macrium Reflect for some time. http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.aspx -- regards, |\ /| | \/ |@rk \../ \/os |
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:43:03 -0700, Mike S wrote:
What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. He might be best off using an online backup service like carbonite. http://www.carbonite.com/en/ Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP |
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Ken Blake wrote:
Mike S wrote: What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. He might be best off using an online backup service like carbonite. http://www.carbonite.com/en/ Might be an option if the amount to backup isn't huge. See my other posts about Carbonite and its limitations at: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...8c3c2e48c41b99 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...c5011c74ad427f Many users forget or don't realize their upload speed is far smaller than their download speed for Internet access. They have *asymmetric* broadband access. Forget online backups if all you have is dial-up. |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:08:23 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: Mike S wrote: What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. He might be best off using an online backup service like carbonite. http://www.carbonite.com/en/ Might be an option if the amount to backup isn't huge. See my other posts about Carbonite and its limitations at: OK, but my recommendation was in response to the two points, "doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system." Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP |
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message
... Ken Blake wrote: Mike S wrote: What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. He might be best off using an online backup service like carbonite. http://www.carbonite.com/en/ Might be an option if the amount to backup isn't huge. See my other posts about Carbonite and its limitations at: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...8c3c2e48c41b99 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...c5011c74ad427f Many users forget or don't realize their upload speed is far smaller than their download speed for Internet access. They have *asymmetric* broadband access. Forget online backups if all you have is dial-up. Some interesting info here about Carbonite Bandwidth Allocation: http://carbonite.custhelp.com/app/an...dth-allocation I think it ALMOST goes without saying that you would not use an online backup system with a dial-up connection! The initial backup with Carbonite can take days, even a couple of weeks if you're backing up 50GB, but after the initial backup, it is done incrementally and is pretty fast. -- Glen Ventura MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009 CompTIA A+ |
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glee wrote:
"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Ken Blake wrote: Mike S wrote: What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. He might be best off using an online backup service like carbonite. http://www.carbonite.com/en/ Might be an option if the amount to backup isn't huge. See my other posts about Carbonite and its limitations at: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...8c3c2e48c41b99 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...c5011c74ad427f Many users forget or don't realize their upload speed is far smaller than their download speed for Internet access. They have *asymmetric* broadband access. Forget online backups if all you have is dial-up. Some interesting info here about Carbonite Bandwidth Allocation: http://carbonite.custhelp.com/app/an...dth-allocation I think it ALMOST goes without saying that you would not use an online backup system with a dial-up connection! The initial backup with Carbonite can take days, even a couple of weeks if you're backing up 50GB, but after the initial backup, it is done incrementally and is pretty fast. Depends on how big the "incremental" changes are. It only takes 1 byte of change to require uploading a huge file. Say you have virtual machines and the .vhd file is around 15GB. Then you do something in the virtual machine which modifies the .vhd file. The backup then has to upload the entire .vhd file. Same if you edit large video files. These are incremental file backups, not incremental (sector) image backups. Incremental file backup backup the entire eligible file. While "incremental" makes it sound like the update will be small, the actual update size may not be small if the updated file itself is huge. As to Ken's comment about easy restore, well, that depends on how the restore is performed. With imaging programs (ran locally), you can use their bootable rescue CD and restore from the image backups. With logical *file* backups, and if a bootable rescue CD isn't provided, you first have to install the OS and then install the backup program and then do the restore. In the case of Carbonite, you'll end up doing the latter so it really isn't an easy restore. A file restore is easy. Restoring the entire OS partition is not. With Carbonite, you need to run their client (to access you files on their file server). To run their client means you need an OS to load the Carbonite client. To have an OS means you have to install it. Carbonite is good for file backups. It is not a quick and easy means of reimaging an OS partition that is no longer bootable, to recover from a failed hard disk, or other problems with prevent the OS from loading and/or the backup client from running. http://www.carbonite.com/en/home/onl...re/easy-to-use Look at step 2. To restore your OS partition means you have to log into their service. Just how are you going to do that when there is no OS installed on a freshly replaced hard disk or when the OS won't boot? Carbonite is a *FILE* backup/restore service, not an imaging service. What the OP wanted is recovery from corruption of his host. Simple file backups may not allow that and a full partition restore using file backups isn't always easy or quick. Also, Carbonite states that *file* backups live only 30 days on their file server. That means it is NOT a usable backup scheme for *business* use. No business should operate with only 1 month's worth of backed up files. This is more of an "Oops, didn't mean to do that " recovery service. Even for home use, are you sure that just one month's worth of file backups is sufficient? Carbonite has its use but potential customers should investigate their service before committing (and paying for) it to know all the limitations. It really does not obviate the need for performing your own local image backups. |
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On 6/18/2012 10:37 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
glee wrote: wrote in message ... Ken Blake wrote: Mike S wrote: What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. He might be best off using an online backup service like carbonite. http://www.carbonite.com/en/ Might be an option if the amount to backup isn't huge. See my other posts about Carbonite and its limitations at: http://groups.google.com/group/micro...8c3c2e48c41b99 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...c5011c74ad427f Many users forget or don't realize their upload speed is far smaller than their download speed for Internet access. They have *asymmetric* broadband access. Forget online backups if all you have is dial-up. Some interesting info here about Carbonite Bandwidth Allocation: http://carbonite.custhelp.com/app/an...dth-allocation I think it ALMOST goes without saying that you would not use an online backup system with a dial-up connection! The initial backup with Carbonite can take days, even a couple of weeks if you're backing up 50GB, but after the initial backup, it is done incrementally and is pretty fast. Depends on how big the "incremental" changes are. It only takes 1 byte of change to require uploading a huge file. Say you have virtual machines and the .vhd file is around 15GB. Then you do something in the virtual machine which modifies the .vhd file. The backup then has to upload the entire .vhd file. Same if you edit large video files. These are incremental file backups, not incremental (sector) image backups. Incremental file backup backup the entire eligible file. While "incremental" makes it sound like the update will be small, the actual update size may not be small if the updated file itself is huge. As to Ken's comment about easy restore, well, that depends on how the restore is performed. With imaging programs (ran locally), you can use their bootable rescue CD and restore from the image backups. With logical *file* backups, and if a bootable rescue CD isn't provided, you first have to install the OS and then install the backup program and then do the restore. In the case of Carbonite, you'll end up doing the latter so it really isn't an easy restore. A file restore is easy. Restoring the entire OS partition is not. With Carbonite, you need to run their client (to access you files on their file server). To run their client means you need an OS to load the Carbonite client. To have an OS means you have to install it. Carbonite is good for file backups. It is not a quick and easy means of reimaging an OS partition that is no longer bootable, to recover from a failed hard disk, or other problems with prevent the OS from loading and/or the backup client from running. http://www.carbonite.com/en/home/onl...re/easy-to-use Look at step 2. To restore your OS partition means you have to log into their service. Just how are you going to do that when there is no OS installed on a freshly replaced hard disk or when the OS won't boot? Carbonite is a *FILE* backup/restore service, not an imaging service. What the OP wanted is recovery from corruption of his host. Simple file backups may not allow that and a full partition restore using file backups isn't always easy or quick. Also, Carbonite states that *file* backups live only 30 days on their file server. That means it is NOT a usable backup scheme for *business* use. No business should operate with only 1 month's worth of backed up files. This is more of an "Oops, didn't mean to do that " recovery service. Even for home use, are you sure that just one month's worth of file backups is sufficient? Carbonite has its use but potential customers should investigate their service before committing (and paying for) it to know all the limitations. It really does not obviate the need for performing your own local image backups. Thanks very much to everyone who replied, and for all of the interesting discussions. These are exactly the issues that went through my mind when he asked me about it, and since I'm out of touch with current software packages or online backup schemes I thought I'd ask for suggestions here. I'll check out all of the suggestions and then summarize them for him and let him decide. This is a great newsgroup and I appreciate the time everyone put into their replies. Best Regards, Mike |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:37:24 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
As to Ken's comment about easy restore, well, that depends on how the restore is performed. Ken's comment was more about easy backup (no effort at all) than easy restore. Carbonite is good for file backups. It is not a quick and easy means of reimaging an OS partition that is no longer bootable, to recover from a failed hard disk, or other problems with prevent the OS from loading and/or the backup client from running. Yes, I should have said that. But for most people, file backup is what's most important. If that isn't easy, it doesn't get done, and sooner or later they lose everything. That's why I recommended Carbonite or something like it for the person who sounded like he wouldn't do it unless it was very easy (the post said he "doesn't want to learn a lot"). Losing the operating system can be a pain. But even if you have to do it manually, or even pay someone else to do it for you, you can get it done. If you lose your data files, they are probably gone forever, and for many people that's a catastrophe. Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP |
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On 19/06/2012 8:05 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:37:24 -0500, wrote: As to Ken's comment about easy restore, well, that depends on how the restore is performed. Ken's comment was more about easy backup (no effort at all) than easy restore. Carbonite is good for file backups. It is not a quick and easy means of reimaging an OS partition that is no longer bootable, to recover from a failed hard disk, or other problems with prevent the OS from loading and/or the backup client from running. Yes, I should have said that. But for most people, file backup is what's most important. If that isn't easy, it doesn't get done, and sooner or later they lose everything. That's why I recommended Carbonite or something like it for the person who sounded like he wouldn't do it unless it was very easy (the post said he "doesn't want to learn a lot"). Losing the operating system can be a pain. But even if you have to do it manually, or even pay someone else to do it for you, you can get it done. If you lose your data files, they are probably gone forever, and for many people that's a catastrophe. Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP I always end up recommending Acronis True Image. It's saved my bacon or that of someone close to me several times. A backup isn't much use except to make you feel (falsely) safer, unless it can actually be used to restore. An online backup may be easier in the sense of requiring little thought, but horribly expensive of time; and to use it for restoration, assuming let's say that the disk drive went south, first requires restoring the operating system and installing the restoration software, something that does require use of someone's brain. Making your own image and saving it locally, along with having an emergency CD created by the backup program, will let you restore the whole shebang efficiently, as in, for the cases I've done, about half a morning. That said, no backup system will work unless you put the minimum effort into learning how to do it plus actually making a habit of doing it. So even an "easy" backup requiring time and effort to do a restoration is better than no backup at all. There's nothing that so gels in one's brain the importance of backing up, as that first experience of having just "lost everything" and having to try to get it back. The effort of having generated a usable backup suddenly sinks to utter triviality compared to the horror you face. |
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On 17/06/2012 3:43 PM, Mike S wrote:
What is the easiest software available for backing up and restoring a working valid XP installation? My dentist doesn't want to learn a lot but he would like an easy way to restore his system after his young son corrupts it with viruses, games, bad configurations, etc. He's not too technical when it comes to computers, so I was wondering if anyone knew of a very straightforward software that would allow him to restore his system, even when it wasn't booting. After I responded to Ken Blake's posting, I went back to read this original posting again. A dentist who doesn't want to learn a lot? These people went through a healthcare doctoral education, which involves learning a monster feces-load, fast. A dentist who thinks it a kind of routine chore to restore a computer messed up by his offspring? There's some kind of parental skills problem here. As in, don't let this particular son at the parental computer at all. A dentist should, failing horrible family financial problems I don't know about, have way enough funds to buy the son a computer of the son's own, accompanied by the message that if it gets messed up the son can learn how to get it fixed himself or do without. I sincerely hope he's better with teeth and gums. Maybe he's found that doing great dentistry requires for him total concentration of his mental resources, and if so I could only praise him for acting on that finding. |
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Anthony Buckland wrote:
A dentist who doesn't want to learn a lot? These people went through a healthcare doctoral education, which involves learning a monster feces-load, fast. A dentist who thinks it a kind of routine chore to restore a computer messed up by his offspring? There's some kind of parental skills problem here. As in, don't let this particular son at the parental computer at all. A dentist should, failing horrible family financial problems I don't know about, have way enough funds to buy the son a computer of the son's own, accompanied by the message that if it gets messed up the son can learn how to get it fixed himself or do without. I sincerely hope he's better with teeth and gums. Maybe he's found that doing great dentistry requires for him total concentration of his mental resources, and if so I could only praise him for acting on that finding. 95% of the enrollees have completed 4 years of college BEFORE getting into dental school. Very few manage to get by with sufficient credits and cramming to get in after 2 years of college. Dental school is another 4 years (5.5 in some countries) to qualify as a DDS (Doctor of Dental Surgery) or DMD (Doctor of Dental Medicine). That's a total of 8 years, or more, and longer than it takes to obtain a Master degree in most other venues. Add another 2-3 years if you want to specialize. It's possible "dentist" was misused and the guy/gal is really just a dental assistant (9-12 months training) or dental hygienist (2-year associates degree). Sometimes patients confuse who is what at their dentist's office. Most of the DDS-level dentists that I know don't even bother with learning much more than how to use the applications on their computer. They're too tired to waste time learning another technology and they hire someone to maintain their computers. Also, his son wouldn't be playing with the company's computers so this is an issue of a child screwing up a home computer and "dentist" doesn't even factor into the equation of administering your own home computer. That "dentist" was mentioned really doesn't factor into whether the home user wants to figure out how to recover his computer after his son screws it up. Like you said, get the kid his own computer. It's the easiest way to preserve your own. When the kid starts to shave, get him his own razor or shaver, too. Regardless that the kids grows to the same size as the parent, don't share underwear. |
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